Jesus thread...

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I started in psych, but changed to CIS. I still have to finish and will probably go back to psych.

Thats what I'm saying. I don't have to rely on that guy that knows more. I can just as easily get a research job and find out myself. But in the case of religion, the guy that knows more is the pastor, and he makes scientific claims, and yet doesn't provide repeatable evidence. The problem I have is that religion is trying to become too scientific, and its not. Admit your biblical claim is purely philosophical, and I don't have a problem

Its not philosophical. its just that I believe there are reasons to believe in the accounts that were written. Also your statement that a Pastor is the guy that knows more is not supported biblically.

I haven't said abiogenesis has been proven. I know it hasn't. It has been tested, conclusively. As a biology major I'm sure you're familiar with Miller-Urey and other similar experiments. These experiments say "these may have been the conditions and the elements present when the earth was formed." No one has torn it apart. The only thing that seems to be debated is the conditions in which life began.

Abiogenesis is discussed solely as an origins of life theory. I am very familiar with the Miller Urey experiments. You may want to pull some journals on this. They didn't prove abiogenesis. I could really go on about this, so if you want I can point to dozens of PhD's publishing huge problems with this study and the claims made about abiogenesis. Dont be mistaken. The there has never been a scientist to create life from nonlife. Well, except Frankenstein which is what scientist of the time accused them of reading when they came up with the primordial soup theory.

Theories don't necessarily get disproven. They're simply replaced by better theories as our understanding and our observational abilities evolve. Kinda like how Newtons gravity theory was replaced by general relativity and quantum mechanics.

Religion is one thing that gives people comfort and stability. Some people aren't mentally equipped to deal with such a rock to their comfort zone as the thought that there's probably not a creator, that the stories that have been used to explain natural phenomenon are just myths, and that the end is just the end. I personally think of religion as a theory that has been replaced due to our drastic increase in observational abilities.

Religion is not a thing of comfort. My faith does not tell me how stable I am, it tells me how unstable I am. It also tells me that I should look into my world and understand who God is. for instance, my faith applies historical information. two quick examples to help you glimpse into my mind.

Christs life: simply put. If he wasn't working miracles, he wouldn't have had 100's of followers and thousands of believers in a culture that was completely opposed to his teachings and claims to be God in the flesh. He would have been killed on the spot had he not convinced masses.

Christs death: If he had not risen, as he claimed, the movement would have died. The men who lost their faith when they saw him die would not have changed their minds to the point of losing their lives. Something made them decide that their faith was stronger than the threat of losing their lives.

Science isn't definitive, or absolute at all. Anyone with an in depth knowledge of science will tell you that. But science will only explain what's within it's fundamental boundaries. It won't explain the supernatural and the philosophical.

Philosophy covers things that can be studied through the scientific method. The same for supernatural things. Dr. Gary Swarze (spelling) of Arizona State university did a scientific study on the afterlife. He published his methods and his findings. You can get all the documentation and repeat the studies that he did to determine whether or not you get his results. Some scientists laugh at it, but you should read up on what he did. I think its great foundational work to show that science can deal with the metaphysical as this was his secondary goal. But i digress to my original point: Science has been hijacked by people who want to blatantly ignore these types of topics.