GUN CONTROL

[David88vert]

I have tried to find a comprehensive list of those who want to ban guns but have been unable to find such a list. Since I don't have time to go to every individual website, do you know of a such a list? Also, could you please explain why 70% of congress and the President voted to allow guns in federal parks if so many of them are completely against all guns?



Then why are you so worried if the president wants to ban guns or not? It could be his number one priority but the president doesn't have the power to do it without congress anyway.

You have to look at voting records. No single bill has called for a complete ban on all firearms yet, so you cannot just go to one single bill to review.

Congress is easily influenced by backroom deals. If the President wants something, he finds what deals he needs to make. It's politics.

[Vteckidd]

You have to look at voting records. No single bill has called for a complete ban on all firearms yet, so you cannot just go to one single bill to review.

Congress is easily influenced by backroom deals. If the President wants something, he finds what deals he needs to make. It's politics.

well Rahm Emmanuel in 2008 said that only the military should own weapons not private citizens. I cant find a clip of the video but i have seen it. He was the CHief of Staff (or on his way) at that point. Thats pretty high up.

I would say theres a small small group of people devoted to banning firearms outright, but a larger minority supports heavy regulation on them as a means to banning. But the overwhelming majority is against it at this point.

if it was REALLY on the Dems agenda they had 2 years to do it and didnt even take up legislation on gun control.

If you have a problem with national registry on firearms, i assume you dont buy any weapons anymore, becuase all new weapons are serialized. Eventually all weapons will belong to the master registry. I mean techincally any weapon kinda is on a master list because the way it works is

Manufacturer makes gun, issues serial number
Must keep records of all serial numbers and weapons issued for ATF
Guns are sold via Serial number to Dealer
Dealer has to keep records for (I THINK) up to 10 years.
ATF audits every 3-5 years


So, technically the ATF has access to your serial numbers, im just saying we should keep those records accurate when assigning them to owners.

[BanginJimmy]

So, technically the ATF has access to your serial numbers, im just saying we should keep those records accurate when assigning them to owners.

Simple concepts seem to be the hardest for people to figure out. Some people just cant grasp the idea that a paper trail with the private transfer of a firearm protects both the seller and buyer.

[David88vert]

Simple concepts seem to be the hardest for people to figure out. Some people just cant grasp the idea that a paper trail with the private transfer of a firearm protects both the seller and buyer.

If you worked in the IT field, you would know that keeping a complete transactional history of this many objects is not simple. Just getting the basic requirements agreed to would take months, not to mention implementation and maintenance.

[David88vert]

well Rahm Emmanuel in 2008 said that only the military should own weapons not private citizens. I cant find a clip of the video but i have seen it. He was the CHief of Staff (or on his way) at that point. Thats pretty high up.

I would say theres a small small group of people devoted to banning firearms outright, but a larger minority supports heavy regulation on them as a means to banning. But the overwhelming majority is against it at this point.

if it was REALLY on the Dems agenda they had 2 years to do it and didnt even take up legislation on gun control.

If you have a problem with national registry on firearms, i assume you dont buy any weapons anymore, becuase all new weapons are serialized. Eventually all weapons will belong to the master registry. I mean techincally any weapon kinda is on a master list because the way it works is

Manufacturer makes gun, issues serial number
Must keep records of all serial numbers and weapons issued for ATF
Guns are sold via Serial number to Dealer
Dealer has to keep records for (I THINK) up to 10 years.
ATF audits every 3-5 years


So, technically the ATF has access to your serial numbers, im just saying we should keep those records accurate when assigning them to owners.

Are you suggesting to not make it retroactive to all firearms? If you are, then you have to filter out guns not already in the system. If you want all firearms included, how are you planning on haqndling the transactional history of the "gun show" buy, where it is not already in the system?

[bu villain]

You have to look at voting records. No single bill has called for a complete ban on all firearms yet, so you cannot just go to one single bill to review.

True it is not direct proof but really, why would they vote to loosen gun restrictions if there goal was the extreme opposite?

Congress is easily influenced by backroom deals. If the President wants something, he finds what deals he needs to make. It's politics.

Of course he can try but he can only go so far. I don't think there is any chance he could make enough deals to ban guns no matter how hard he tried.

[David88vert]

True it is not direct proof but really, why would they vote to loosen gun restrictions if there goal was the extreme opposite?



Of course he can try but he can only go so far. I don't think there is any chance he could make enough deals to ban guns no matter how hard he tried.

I''m not saying that they need to loosen restrictions. There is no need to tighten restrictions on legal owners.
Tougher, ENFORCED penalties for criminals would accomplish more.

I agree that Obama does not have the clout to ban them currently. He has stated that he wants to make progress after re-election though, which is a scary thought. He still won't have the deal making power, but could set the groundwork for future presidents. We need to always be vigilant of our government's actions - that is your civic duty.

[bu villain]

I''m not saying that they need to loosen restrictions. There is no need to tighten restrictions on legal owners.
Tougher, ENFORCED penalties for criminals would accomplish more.

Now this is a reasonable position to bring to a discussion. What I don't respect is people who immediately dismiss any sort of new regulations out of hand without even considering the pros and cons and use fear of extremes to discredit even the smallest changes.