GUN CONTROL

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The only thing registration can do is give the government a list of legal arms - criminals will not register their guns. That is fact.

The Auroura theater shooting suspect James Holmes purchased all of his weapons through legal channels. All of his guns were registered. SOME criminals won't register there guns.

[David88vert]

The Auroura theater shooting suspect James Holmes purchased all of his weapons through legal channels. All of his guns were registered. SOME criminals won't register there guns.

Really? You think that some criminals WILL come in and register their firearms? Maybe a few stupid ones will, as there are some retards out there, but the vast majority won't.

How would a national gun registration prevented Auroura? If you took away his guns, he would have just blown up the theatre. It wouldn't have stopped it. We will always have senseless killings like this with us. The problem is the person commiting the atrocity. It's not the weapon used. Go after the source, which is to identify the threat as soon as possible. Show how registration will help identify the threat - no one has been able to define that yet.

[Vteckidd]

Really? You think that some criminals WILL come in and register their firearms? Maybe a few stupid ones will, as there are some retards out there, but the vast majority won't.

History proves you wrong, the last 4 largest massacres were LEGAL registered weapons. So yes, criminals do register guns.

How would a national gun registration prevented Auroura? I

dumb argument is dumb. I have NEVER SAID it would have prevented someone from killing someone. On the contrary, ive said it would most certainly NOT have prevented Aurora. The fact that you and everyone else keeps double talking and bringing this up like gun control=crimes abolished is just flat out skewing and manipulating words.

no one has said that Gun Registration= problem solved, with all due respect, stop saying that. its a lie.

All im saying is that bad guys exploit weaknesses, there is a huge weakness in the used gun market. We should close it. Will it prevent gun massacres? NOPE. Will it shrink a pool of resources without infringing anyones rights? YES.

Sticking our head in the sand and acting like the status quo is good enough is irrational.

[David88vert]

History proves you wrong, the last 4 largest massacres were LEGAL registered weapons. So yes, criminals do register guns.


dumb argument is dumb. I have NEVER SAID it would have prevented someone from killing someone. On the contrary, ive said it would most certainly NOT have prevented Aurora. The fact that you and everyone else keeps double talking and bringing this up like gun control=crimes abolished is just flat out skewing and manipulating words.

no one has said that Gun Registration= problem solved, with all due respect, stop saying that. its a lie.

All im saying is that bad guys exploit weaknesses, there is a huge weakness in the used gun market. We should close it. Will it prevent gun massacres? NOPE. Will it shrink a pool of resources without infringing anyones rights? YES.

Sticking our head in the sand and acting like the status quo is good enough is irrational.

Actually, they were legal citizens before they purchased. They were not criminals. This is not Minority Report. We do not have a way to see the future, so it is likely that all of these killings would have still happened.

So, we have a known problem, but our actions won't result in a solution. That is irrational.

IE - We have a hole in the dam leaking water. Let's make a list of all of the lightbulbs in the building...

[Vteckidd]

Actually, they were legal citizens before they purchased. They were not criminals. This is not Minority Report. We do not have a way to see the future, so it is likely that all of these killings would have still happened.

So, we have a known problem, but our actions won't result in a solution. That is irrational.

IE - We have a hole in the dam leaking water. Let's make a list of all of the lightbulbs in the building...

the whole point of this thread isnt to stop gun massacres, its to close LOOP HOLES IN THE SECURITY OF SELLING USED FIREARMS.

Or we can wait for straw purchases to start showing up in gun massacres and THEN we can talk about it :P

[Sinfix_15]

the whole point of this thread isnt to stop gun massacres, its to close LOOP HOLES IN THE SECURITY OF SELLING USED FIREARMS.

Or we can wait for straw purchases to start showing up in gun massacres and THEN we can talk about it :P

You cant prevent crazy people from doing crazy things. Increased gun registration will not effect crime in any way shape or form. The left wants to get rid of guns. They wanted to get rid of guns before any of these shootings took place. They dont want to lower crime, they want to get rid of guns. Maybe in their mind they think getting rid of guns will lower crime, but at some point that idea shifted from lowering crime to specifically getting rid of guns. I've been watching the news all week listening to people talk about getting rid of guns, not lowering crime.

To me, this is a very scary thought. Because i will only give up my gun.... at gun point.

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To me, this is a very scary thought. Because i will only give up my gun.... at gun point.

What if the second amendment was repealed? Do you think your right to own a gun is a god given right or a constitutional right?

[David88vert]

the whole point of this thread isnt to stop gun massacres, its to close LOOP HOLES IN THE SECURITY OF SELLING USED FIREARMS.

Or we can wait for straw purchases to start showing up in gun massacres and THEN we can talk about it :P

Cost vs benefit.
It will be extremely costly to upgrade systems (hardware and software), hire additional staff, etc. What is the benefit to the American people (where the money will have to come from)? Since they won't be any safer, why should they foot the bill?

[Vteckidd]

The Auroura theater shooting suspect James Holmes purchased all of his weapons through legal channels. All of his guns were registered. SOME criminals won't register there guns.

They dont get it. Again, i find the opposition just flat out funny.

NEW FIREARM PURCHASE RULES- Register serial number through licensed FFL= Perfectly ok
USED FIREARM PURCHASES- No laws or regulations or requirements= OK

Asking all firearms to be treated the same = YOURE TAKING AWAY MY RIGHTS! YOU ARE INFRINGING UPON MY RIGHTS! GOVERNMENT WILL COME TAKE MY ARMS!

its stupid, its dumb, its absolute bullshit, itll never happen. I dont know how a group can rationalize the standards for 1 instance, but then act like that same requirement is some big brother gun grab that violates the founding fathers wishes.

No one is saying people cant own firearms, or cant purchase guns. But streamlining ownership records so LEO doesnt waste time tracking down 3-4 owners down the road is worth it in the end.

Let me ask you guys this. What if James Holmes had bought his guns used, legally. what if he was 3-4 people down the road? What if he didnt give up? LEO would be chasing down 3-4-5 people to get to the current owner. Isnt that a waste of resources? Tax payer money ?

Having a singular standard is responsible, its not infringing upon anything because all people still have the right to own their gun

[David88vert]

They dont get it. Again, i find the opposition just flat out funny.

NEW FIREARM PURCHASE RULES- Register serial number through licensed FFL= Perfectly ok
USED FIREARM PURCHASES- No laws or regulations or requirements= OK

Asking all firearms to be treated the same = YOURE TAKING AWAY MY RIGHTS! YOU ARE INFRINGING UPON MY RIGHTS! GOVERNMENT WILL COME TAKE MY ARMS!

its stupid, its dumb, its absolute bullshit, itll never happen. I dont know how a group can rationalize the standards for 1 instance, but then act like that same requirement is some big brother gun grab that violates the founding fathers wishes.

No one is saying people cant own firearms, or cant purchase guns. But streamlining ownership records so LEO doesnt waste time tracking down 3-4 owners down the road is worth it in the end.

Let me ask you guys this. What if James Holmes had bought his guns used, legally. what if he was 3-4 people down the road? What if he didnt give up? LEO would be chasing down 3-4-5 people to get to the current owner. Isnt that a waste of resources? Tax payer money ?

Having a singular standard is responsible, its not infringing upon anything because all people still have the right to own their gun

Mike, it is a valid argument. I just don't like the end result of giving the government a list of firearms. No good has ever come of it before, so why would this be different?