Romney out of touch?

[MachNU]

You are really bringing the intelligence level of this section down, but I suppose I'll play your game if you want. Lol

First president in American history to publicly endorse marriage equality.

Finally...you actually bring something too the table. You could say he did that for votes? All he did was endorse. Let me define this for you..."Declare one's public approval or support of." Nothing in that did he actually do for someone. He did not create an amendment, a law or even a constitutional precedence. He simply agreed with someones point of view. He did this to favor votes. Had he really been someone who was for this, shortly after he was sworn into office he would have declared a campaign for equal rights too marriage among gays and lesbians. I for one agree with this notion. But I agree with it on the terms of removing government control on peoples personal life's. If someone wants to have a partner in life and live THEIR life, then the government should have no saying in it.

Now since you missed the point, tell us something else that he actually DID, not endorse for this country. Something he passed, a treaty he signed, a war he was suppose to stop, life's he saved, foreign relations that he either fixed or started anew.

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And just like that, machnu's entire argument fades into oblivion

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Let's see how you do with this one. Lol

Signed an executive order to close Guantanamo Bay Detention facility

[MachNU]

And just like that, machnu's entire argument fades into oblivion

I am done replying to you. Its impossible to get through your head just how stupid you are. This was the best you could do. Do you even know what a debate is? You did not even rebuttal what I said...meaning your sub 100 IQ has nothing to disagree with.

Let's see how you do with this one. Lol

Signed an executive order to close Guantanamo Bay Detention facility

Signed in over two years ago, yet its still open. Good one!

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-First black president of the United states

-Appointed the first Latina supreme court justice

-Healthcare reform (whether you like the mandate or not

-End of hostilities in Iraq (50/50 with Bush)

-Death of Bin Laden (split with Bush, with more credit to Obama)

-Approved stem cell research funding

Should I continue, or is this a bit much for someone like Glenn Beck to handle?

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Signed in over two years ago, yet its still open. Good one!

I knew you would say that since you dont really know much about the situation, as you've shown, and yet I still listed it. Lol.

Like I said. Typical close minded conservative: Rejects facts when they counter his firmly held beliefs. Lol.

[Vteckidd]

Obama wont go down as the worst president in history for a few reasons.

Killed Bin Laden
Passed Universal Healthcare
Inherited the worst recession in history*********
First Black President
First President to openly support gay marriage

Economically hes been absolutely horrible, socially hes done very well as far as historians will be concerned. And he will always have the "we dont know how bad it could have been if he didnt do what he did" excuse.

I dont really care if hes voted the best or worst, thats not the issue. If i had to grade him, id give him a D because hes done nothing leadership wise with the economy and he has promoted nothing but division.

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BanginJimmy, Vteckidd, ever wonder why I say the conservative movement has totally gone off the deep end. I'm gonna point to this guy here. Lol. He is making the few conservatives who actually have some sense look dense. But alas, I can't group everyone based off of one persons ineptitude, so I apologize in advance. Lol

[Vteckidd]

I Mean at this point i think we know we disagree on policy for our own personal reasons, but i respect your positions. Im just not in the "beat obama to death" or call him names and stuff to prove a point camp. Some are, some arent.

I could really care less how history remembers him, and i could really care less if hes liked or not. Id prefer to see better economic data. Less UE, less national debt

[geoff]

^green is not a good colOr for anyone. Wealth envy is your issue sir. Obama's record more than speaks for itself as to his character or lack there of. Those who continue to support him are blind and have no self worth or pride. You wanna live on government hand outs your entire life? How proud your children will be to know their father never accomplished anything in his life. How proud they will be knowing they live off food stamps, government housing, and have total dependence on a corrupt government. Where sir is your independence, honor, and self worth? America was great because with hard work and determination a man could build his own legacy to leave behind for his family. You want financial equality, it must be earned not simply given. You want communism...my family grew up in a state of such "equality". My grandfather had his wealth and land ripped from him in communist Romania. He came to the USA as a political refugee. What you and Obama supporters want does not and will not ever work. My comments are for blank cd and all Obama supporters who shun Romney simply due to his wealth.

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^green is not a good colOr for anyone. Wealth envy is your issue sir. Obama's record more than speaks for itself as to his character or lack there of. Those who continue to support him are blind and have no self worth or pride. You wanna live on government hand outs your entire life? How proud your children will be to know their father never accomplished anything in his life. How proud they will be knowing they live off food stamps, government housing, and have total dependence on a corrupt government. Where sir is your independence, honor, and self worth? America was great because with hard work and determination a man could build his own legacy to leave behind for his family. You want financial equality, it must be earned not simply given. You want communism...my family grew up in a state of such "equality". My grandfather had his wealth and land ripped from him in communist Romania. He came to the USA as a political refugee. What you and Obama supporters want does not and will not ever work. My comments are for blank cd and all Obama supporters who shun Romney simply due to his wealth.

You too? There's a website called theblaze.com, it's more suited for you and machnu's level of political intelligence.

And yes, I shun Romney just because of his wealth

And you're right. His record does reflect his character, which says he's an outstanding human being whether you agree with his policies or not.

[MachNU]

Obama wont go down as the worst president in history for a few reasons.

Killed Bin Laden
Passed Universal Healthcare
Inherited the worst recession in history*********
First Black President
First President to openly support gay marriage

Economically hes been absolutely horrible, socially hes done very well as far as historians will be concerned. And he will always have the "we dont know how bad it could have been if he didnt do what he did" excuse.

I dont really care if hes voted the best or worst, thats not the issue. If i had to grade him, id give him a D because hes done nothing leadership wise with the economy and he has promoted nothing but division.

Yes he will. Killed Bin Laden based on a war started by his predecessor. A war that he claimed he was going to put an immediate stop too in his election camping. Had he done that, Bin Laden never would have been found/killed.
Passed a Universal Healthcare that took away a freedom of choice. Forced healthcare on people or be fined.
Inherited the worst recession in history only to make it worse. This is one of those things you cannot blame on him, because it did start in Bush term, but the fact that he made it worse...brings it more onto him. The recession started towards the last 2 years of Bush term, where as Obama has had it for nearly 4 years and not even come close to bringing a positive let alone a neutral win out of it.
Hes not even black. Hes what...half Hawaiian half Arabic?
Agreed. He may have been the first to support it, but again that does not speak for him as a president. Other people in legislative and executive branches and spoken out on this. He simply did it too favor votes.

I Mean at this point i think we know we disagree on policy for our own personal reasons, but i respect your positions. Im just not in the "beat obama to death" or call him names and stuff to prove a point camp. Some are, some arent.

I could really care less how history remembers him, and i could really care less if hes liked or not. Id prefer to see better economic data. Less UE, less national debt

I agree. I only argue it when someone says that he was a great, good or even mediocre president. Its simply fact to say he is and will be nothing more than a terrible president.

^green is not a good colOr for anyone. Wealth envy is your issue sir. Obama's record more than speaks for itself as to his character or lack there of. Those who continue to support him are blind and have no self worth or pride. You wanna live on government hand outs your entire life? How proud your children will be to know their father never accomplished anything in his life. How proud they will be knowing they live off food stamps, government housing, and have total dependence on a corrupt government. Where sir is your independence, honor, and self worth? America was great because with hard work and determination a man could build his own legacy to leave behind for his family. You want financial equality, it must be earned not simply given. You want communism...my family grew up in a state of such "equality". My grandfather had his wealth and land ripped from him in communist Romania. He came to the USA as a political refugee. What you and Obama supporters want does not and will not ever work. My comments are for blank cd and all Obama supporters who shun Romney simply due to his wealth.

Well said.

Too me its very very very right wing...but I think the only thing that will save this nation is for a social or political revolution to happen. No person will be any better, all politicians are corrupt and when they do get into a seat of power they pay back people that got them there. Until the next revolution, this country will continue to implode. Now I know that is far fetched...but what I really believe, in the sense of getting things fixed.

[Vteckidd]

Obama has arguably the worst record of any president save Jimmy Carter, and they still praise jimmy Carter and Carter isnt 1/100th the personality Obama is.

Bush had 7 3/4 years of economic amazingness, yet he will be remembered for a the Iraq war which 80% of congress voted to go into, and the 2008 crash which had about 50% to do with him, the other 50% was the democratically controlled congress since 2006.

but no history book will write that

[geoff]

Obama is a good human being? What about the disrespect he shows in failure to honor war vets? What about breaking tradition and shunning national day of prayer, the list goes on and on. To say he is a decent human being is ridiculous. He is two things; a great orator and a talented politician...I.e. supporting gay marriage. I have no interest in debating iq with you or any other supporter of liberal agenda...why?...because it would be like debating a Picasso work of art with a blind man. You sir, and every other liberal have turned the American dream into the American nightmare. You are blind. Blind to the truth and would rather swallow the crap the liberal media shoves down your throat, believe the bs of political experts and simply...you are a disgrace to your children. You are blind, deaf, and dumb. Blind to see the actions that must take place, deaf to hear the cries of the American people for reform, and dumb in that you do not speak what should be spoken. Are you happy with America? Do you honestly want more government controll, more government dependence, less individual freedom? A wise man once said, "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." - Thomas Paine. If you believe otherwise, then you sir are truly lost.

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LMAO. You won't debate it cause you know you stand on the wrong side of the issue and the wrong side of reality.

Personal freedom means personal freedom for everyone, not just for people who share your backwards beliefs.

[Vteckidd]

Obama is a good human being? What about the disrespect he shows in failure to honor war vets? What about breaking tradition and shunning national day of prayer, the list goes on and on. To say he is a decent human being is ridiculous.

Uh, for 4th of July he had members from the Armed Services over to the White House for a BBQ, I dont think he DOESNT honor vets, i think hes been pretty respectful to our servicemen and women.

The National Day Or Prayer i think is just because its a democratic seperation of church and state issue.

I think as a human being, hes fine. I think hes someone you can chill with and have a beer, play basketball with. He seems like a nice guy. I just disagree with his politics

[geoff]

Your definition of "nice guy" and mine are different. And blank cd...wrong side of reality? What fairy tale land do you live in? The rich rule and prosper because they take the risks and either reap the benefits or pay the consequences. Every american is not entitled to a lavish lifestyle of having a fortune. You are entitled to three universal things according to the constitution; " life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". You and your family have lived with these all your life. My family came from a communist country and lived under the regime that Obama and liberal socialists are pushing for. Tell me, what hardship have you suffered? Have you ever had everything you ever worked for stripped from you over night only to be told its "only fair so everyone is equal"? No, I think not. Keep your welfare checks, food stamps, and Obamacare. As for me and my house; we will EARN our wealth and lifestyle through back breaking hard work. I may never have millions to leave my children, but I will leave them proud knowing their father was a hard working man that never took a handout.

[geoff]

By the way, you know what my country thought of your liberal socialist ideas? They took the president out in the streets and shot him and his evil wife dead on national tv. They then hunted down the other members of his regime. Now, they are impeaching a president who has lied to them, is corrupt, and whom they lost faith in. That to me is good politics.

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Oh I forgot, all Obama supporters are welfare-receiving communists. My bad

I have a feeling you have a jaded view of what communism is, but trust me, nothing going on in America is even REMOTELY close to cold war era communism.

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By the way, you know what my country thought of your liberal socialist ideas? They took the president out in the streets and shot him and his evil wife dead on national tv. They then hunted down the other members of his regime. Now, they are impeaching a president who has lied to them, is corrupt, and whom they lost faith in. That to me is good politics.

You use that word "socialism"

I don't think it means what you think it means.

[geoff]

I know exactly what I am saying and what I mean. The government to this day has been slowly but surely taken freedoms from the people. There are situational orders in place to turn America into a military state much like communism during the cold war era. What liberals want is more government control and regulation. This is no well kept secret. Their actions speak louder than their words. Spread the wealth, have everyone pay their fair share, ect....you wanna rely on the government to take care of you? The majority of Obama supporters are on some kind of social program or recieve benefits. Reminds me of that crazy lady during the 2008 campaign that said Obama was gonna pay for her mortgage and bills. Lol what a joke. Let me ask you...do you currently have a job or recieve some kind of government aid or have you ever?

[Vteckidd]

The majority of Obama supporters are on some kind of social program or recieve benefits.

FALSE and right wing political BULLSHIT FYI, MOST DEMOCRAT VOTERS are in FAVOR of more social programs, THAT IS WHAT MAKES THEM LIBERAL. So nothing new there. But to use a blanket statement for someone that got 54% of the popular vote is IGNORANT.

Reminds me of that crazy lady during the 2008 campaign that said Obama was gonna pay for her mortgage and bills. Lol what a joke. Let me ask you...do you currently have a job or recieve some kind of government aid or have you ever?

Theres Right Wing nutjobs too, so what. I dont like it when they pick out our fringe, so dont pick out theirs.

yes, i received Unemployment when i was 23 years old and got laid off. i got it for 6 months till i found another job. SO what? Im as conservative as they come fiscally.

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I know exactly what I am saying and what I mean.

No. Lol. You really don't.

The government to this day has been slowly but surely taken freedoms from the people. There are situational orders in place to turn America into a military state much like communism during the cold war era.

I'm gonna need a citation for this

What liberals want is more government control and regulation. This is no well kept secret. Their actions speak louder than their words. Spread the wealth, have everyone pay their fair share, ect....you wanna rely on the government to take care of you?

And this too...

The majority of Obama supporters are on some kind of social program or recieve benefits.

and this...

Let me ask you...do you currently have a job or recieve some kind of government aid or have you ever?

I have a job, never been on welfare, never had to be on unemployment. If I got fired or laid off, would I take it? In a heartbeat.

But you believe, contrary to reality, that public assistance is communism/socialism.

Since we're on the topic of government control, did you vote to extend the Sunday alcohol sales ban? Would you have voted for Amendment One in NC?

[geoff]

Of course he got 54% of the popular vote. He made history being the first black president. More social programs means more government dependence and "doing for one's self". So to support liberals means you agree with their agenda and government programs. The government ruined ss and drove it into the ground, we are $16 trillion in debt and you want them to have more control? Where is your logic?

[BanginJimmy]

Now let me interject.

-First black president of the United states

I will give him this, he was probably the most eloquent presidental candidate we have had in a couple decades, probably back to Kennedy. Lets keep to this what he has done since being in office though. He has appointed someone wholey unqualified to be sec tres. He has appointed the only Cabinet member to ever be declared in contempt of congress on top of many other questionable decisions in Holder.

-Appointed the first Latina supreme court justice

As with most court justices, this was an ideological and politically expedient decision.

-Healthcare reform (whether you like the mandate or not

Something that the majority of Americans are against.

-End of hostilities in Iraq (50/50 with Bush)

-Death of Bin Laden (split with Bush, with more credit to Obama)

Obama gets credit for giving the OK, nothing more. All actionable intelligence was gained because of Bush policies that Obama ended.

Should I continue, or is this a bit much for someone like Glenn Beck to handle?

You forgot to add the smallest increase in govt spending since Eisenhower. Please bring that one up for me.

BanginJimmy, Vteckidd, ever wonder why I say the conservative movement has totally gone off the deep end. I'm gonna point to this guy here. Lol. He is making the few conservatives who actually have some sense look dense. But alas, I can't group everyone based off of one persons ineptitude, so I apologize in advance. Lol

You have the geniuses like 1Civic on your side.

[BanginJimmy]

I'm gonna need a citation for this

This isnt BS. It is mentioned in Article 1 section 9 of the Constitution as part of the revocation of Habeas Corpus.

he privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

I believe there is also mention of this in the War Powers Act.


U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 9 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

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Of course he got 54% of the popular vote. He made history being the first black president. More social programs means more government dependence and "doing for one's self". So to support liberals means you agree with their agenda and government programs. The government ruined ss and drove it into the ground, we are $16 trillion in debt and you want them to have more control? Where is your logic?

Of course he got 54%, because unlike a select few, the country as a whole is becoming more progressive.

I don't get the correlation between wanting social programs and being dependent on the government. The ideas are independent of each other. I want public assistance programs and I myself am not on them. How am I dependent on the government again?

[geoff]

Obama and his liberals words are enough citation, or have you never heard him say that the rich should pay their fair share? I'm glad to hear you have a job and never been on welfare, thank God the "evil" rich kept you employed. No I did not vote for alcohol sales on Sunday and yes I support the decision made in NC. You want to talk about seperation of church and state and government control, what about banning prayer from schools. What right did the government have in denying anyone with faith the right to pray in school( where they spend the majority of their day) regardless of what religion they follow. To me, more government and dependence on it is never a good thing. My family has lived through that, you have not.

[nelson9995]

[QUOTE=MachNU;39427856]Obama wont win. He is going to go down in history as the worse president ever. No ifs ands or buts. He has done ZERO in his time in office other than take away some freedoms (Obamacare) and more too the debt in one term than any other president has in history, probably even a few presidential terms combined.
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you sure are an idiot.

[geoff]

You may not depend on the government but yet demonize a presidential candidate because he made good decisions and accumulated mass wealth. You would love to see equal distribution of wealth wouldn't you?

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I will give him this, he was probably the most eloquent presidental candidate we have had in a couple decades, probably back to Kennedy. Lets keep to this what he has done since being in office though.

This is about what he will be remembered by in 50 years. The fact that he's the first black president will be pretty high on that list

Something that the majority of Americans are against.

False, while the mandate may be unpopular, the rest of the reform is supported by at least half of Americans.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/0...aches-new-high

[geoff]

^lie. Half of the population has not read the entirety of the Obama healthcare reform and only know what is reported by a liberal media.

[nelson9995]

Something that the majority of Americans are against.

Maybe the southern republicans like yourself. More are in favor my friend. The south isn't the whole country. GA, Alabama, etc... are all shitty states compared to NY, Mass, etc... In these states, the people in power can do what they want to the common worker/person and they can get away with it. There is no such thing as job security in this shitty state. Try getting fired for no reason up North and see how well the "boss/owner" would have it.

[geoff]

I will no longer debate in this thread due to the fact that the ignorance displayed by some of you is giving me a headache. I will say this though, only a damn fool would think keeping America on the same path would be beneficial. And I leave with this, "A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities." Thomas Jefferson

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Obama and his liberals words are enough citation,

Thats what I thought.

No I did not vote for alcohol sales on Sunday and yes I support the decision made in NC.

So creating an amendment to redefine marriage as solely a Christian institution, thus banning marriage equality is NOT government control, right? Or is there something Im missing?

You want to talk about seperation of church and state and government control, what about banning prayer from schools. What right did the government have in denying anyone with faith the right to pray in school( where they spend the majority of their day) regardless of what religion they follow.

Public School in the United States is usually 8hrs long max. Not the majority of a 24hr day. It is also supported by tax dollars which sticks it right there with the separation of church and state. Since nobody wants to recognize religions other than Christianity, they do the smart thing and ban all of it. Personal prayer however is not banned. Would you be ok with sending your children to a school where the teachers read from the Quran for 20 min a day?

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Another quote from Thomas Jefferson

"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"

-Treaty of Tripoli

[Vteckidd]

Of course he got 54% of the popular vote. He made history being the first black president. More social programs means more government dependence and "doing for one's self". So to support liberals means you agree with their agenda and government programs. The government ruined ss and drove it into the ground, we are $16 trillion in debt and you want them to have more control? Where is your logic?

You realize im the biggest anti obama person there is, but you are forcing me to point out the ALEX JONES talk youre spewing.

Im against Big Govt, im for SS reform, im for conservative fiscal policies, etc. But stop with the rhetoric

[BanginJimmy]

Maybe the southern republicans like yourself. More are in favor my friend. The south isn't the whole country. GA, Alabama, etc...

Polling says otherwise.

Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports™

are all shitty states compared to NY, Mass, etc...

Is that why people are leaving NY for states like Texas, Florida and Tennessee?

[BanginJimmy]

False, while the mandate may be unpopular, the rest of the reform is supported by at least half of Americans.

Daily Kos: Kaiser poll: Health care reform support reaches new high

Different pollsters are saying different thing.

Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports™

[geoff]

hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty

Ah yes they must have been taking about Zues or Buhdda right? By the way, Thomas Jefferson signed this.