Santorum to sick kid: Dont complain about $1 mil drug costs...

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Originally Posted by Vteckidd

Your answer is to make everyone pay for it, but when you say everyone, you mean the rich only? Or the govt pay for it? or tax people to pay for it?
They TAX PEOPLE TO PAY FOR SOCIAL PROGRAMS. SO you are basically advocating that you lose more from your paycheck so others can have HC right?

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For your first question, EVERYONE, meaning EVERYONE. Lower for the people who make less, more for the ones who make more. We pay for it, the Government can just manage it since OUR money is what the Govt uses. My Grandma is using my taxes to fund her SSI and my Grandma is using your taxes for her SSI. Whats the issue?

And yes, I'm saying that more of my money could go for those whom need HC. My income would pay the doctors and their tools for the care they provide, so... when I need it, I can get cared for as well. I only make 38k or so a year, but I can lose another 1-2k (or 4%) in total income a year for the sake of having actual affordable healthcare. I'm not paying for that all at once, why can't you understand? It would be capped anyway.

I am doing well for myself thanks to others helping me, why can't I help others do well for themselves?

LOL comparing Norway to the usa

It isn't even worth a response. You want an entitlement society where everything is free because you don't want to work for it.

Free house? Free healthcare?

Lazy

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Originally Posted by blaknoize

For your first question, EVERYONE, meaning EVERYONE. Lower for the people who make less, more for the ones who make more. We pay for it, the Government can just manage it since OUR money is what the Govt uses. My Grandma is using my taxes to fund her SSI and my Grandma is using your taxes for her SSI. Whats the issue?

And yes, I'm saying that more of my money could go for those whom need HC. My income would pay the doctors and their tools for the care they provide, so... when I need it, I can get cared for as well. I only make 38k or so a year, but I can lose another 1-2k (or 4%) in total income a year for the sake of having actual affordable

I am doing well for myself thanks to othewell for themselves?

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Because 4% wouldn't cover the cost of the amount of scalpels we use per year.

You just answered it, tax the better off for your healthcare, that's rediculous.

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Originally Posted by blaknoize

We pay for it, the Government can just manage it since OUR money is what the Govt uses.

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You mean you want it managed as well as Social Security and Medicare is managed? Do you want to same people that handled Fannie and Freddie to handle housing also? The same people that doled out money to Solyndra to handle all the school loans?



You would have to give up another 40% of your income if you actually want to get care under that system. Even then, it would sub par care and extremely expensive. Only 2 outcomes are possible with govt run healthcare in this country. Sky rocketing costs leading to assembly line style, completely impersonal doctors visits, or heavily rationed care and much less access to a doctor because doctors will not be willing to spend the time in school and face the financial risks of malpractice suits. This will be especially true in the specialties such as OB-GYN's.

It would crash this site if I was to just post up all the ways the fed govt has wasted our money since the start of the year.

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Originally Posted by Vteckidd

LOL comparing Norway to the usa

It isn't even worth a response. You want an entitlement society where everything is free because you don't want to work for it.

Free house? Free healthcare?

Lazy

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Yes I compare Norway to the US. Since Norway does not deal with the US it's a great example. You won't deal with the comparison because Norway makes sense. Not one thing is wrong with that country, but we view it as wrong. This debate will continue forever because you seem to view helping others as negative just like Jimmy. I see nothing lazy about being born in a place and time where there is no work or opportunity like Vanceburg, KY. As you know, no reasonable person would live worse than what was deemed (reasonable living).

But to just post this up here whether to be looked at or not in the comment section of regular people discussing this same topic; specifically those talking to "Bill" (you two), you can gain some understanding of Norway and what it's all about or anyone else on the comments for that matter. These are negative comments about the Norwegan country and will stop all these long winded messages I build up. Postive or negative, the argument stands as with us having so many people here and generating SOOOO much revenue, it isn't unfeasible.

I dont mind having an open mind to this whole privately owned healthcare system, but all of us are subsidized and are paying for someone elses needs. At least in the "social" model, you get cared for rather than having the American Insurance company find a way to deny you coverage. For Jimmy and the question of a govt managing funds, yes I wouldn't mind, but since we as American's like to rip one another off, we are anti-trust. I also only mentioned 4% because I wanted to pick a number. A healthy work force is a strong work force, this is known, if we're all actually participating in the whole idea, the cost is lower than only a few of us paying for everyone else.

So to conclude from this single source I've decided to post, from people who live here and there, I wont care what the cost is to live well and be cared for, instead of worrying about how much money I have to fix one thing wrong with me, or anyone else.

http://healthcare-economist.com/2008...-world-norway/

The only other country I can mention as an extreme is a poor country called Cuba who's citizens are poor as fuk but still receive healthcare at a very reasonable price. Which you can actually watch in a Michael Moore film.

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Originally Posted by BanginJimmy

You would have to give up another 40% of your income if you actually want to get care under that system.

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I would spend more than 40% of my income to fix a severed finger or for Chemo, again, what's the big deal? At least with the so-called staggering 40% of my income going to care for me and others, I could actually afford to care for myself. The rest of your rebuttal is what you call "fear mongering".

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Originally Posted by blaknoize

Yes I compare Norway to the US. Since Norway does not deal with the US it's a great example. You won't deal with the comparison because Norway makes sense. Not one thing is wrong with that country, but we view it as wrong. This debate will continue forever because you seem to view helping others as negative just like Jimmy. I see nothing lazy about being born in a place and time where there is no work or opportunity like Vanceburg, KY. As you know, no reasonable person would live worse than what was deemed (reasonable living).

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To put it nicely, you are severely ignorant.

Norway has a population LESS THAN ATLANTA. 5 million people. you simply dont understand sheer economics. They dont have an economy a 10000th our size.

Work force is 2.6 MILLION (OURS is 158 MILLION)
their GDP is a staggering anemic 0.447% in 2010.

Also, the norwegian healthcare system is a DISASTER but it sounds like you watched the Michael Moore film that said it was amazing and are buying into it.

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So to conclude from this single source I've decided to post, from people who live here and there, I wont care what the cost is to live well and be cared for, instead of worrying about how much money I have to fix one thing wrong with me, or anyone else.

http://healthcare-economist.com/2008...-world-norway/

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Norwegian Healthcare:

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many Norwegians go abroad for treatment to avoid the waiting lists endemic under the government program

"Approximately 23 percent of all patients referred for hospital admission have to wait longer than three months for admission.” Also, care can be denied if it is not deemed to be cost-effective.

45% of GDP is the tax burden for socialized medical care LOL

Prior to 2002, public hospitals were run by local or county governments. In the face of chronic problems, notably long waiting lists and rising costs, the central government took direct control of all public hospitals in January 2002

Most general practitioners and physician specialists outside hospitals receive a fixed salary, although some specialists working on a contract basis receive both an annual grant and fee-for-service payments. Reimbursement rates are set by the government and balance-billing is prohibited. Most other health care personnel are salaried government employees.

The Norwegian health care system has experienced serious problems with long and growing waiting lists.(161) Approximately 280,000 Norwegians are estimated to be waiting for care on any given day (out of a population of just 4.6 million).(162) The average wait for hip replacement surgery is more than four months; for a prostatectomy, close to three months; and for a hysterectomy, more than two months.(163) Approximately 23 percent of all patients referred for hospital admission have to wait longer than three months for admission.(164)

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you would pay 40% more for healthcare like this? we would lose Drs and specialists in droves the likes you have never seen. Medical care here would become mediocre.

YOu cant get care here RIGHT NOW for $125 a month or less. I pay for my own insurance privately. I know what it costs for a semi healthy male at 30 years old.

What you are asking for isnt feasible. Medicine HAS TO BE privatized, it cannot be govt run and subsidized.

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Originally Posted by blaknoize

I would spend more than 40% of my income to fix a severed finger or for Chemo, again, what's the big deal? At least with the so-called staggering 40% of my income going to care for me and others, I could actually afford to care for myself. The rest of your rebuttal is what you call "fear mongering".

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you realize that means 40% pay cut for EVERYONE. SO your $40,000 a year BEFORE taxes, becomes $22,000ISH a year BEFORE TAXES, for healthcare you may NEVER use.

you realize the TAX that puts on the middle class and poor people? It would absolutely DESTROY the middle class. YOu think rent and other bills just magically disappear?
Either you live at home with mom and dad or you have no clue what it costs to take a 40% paycut.

Youd honestly work the EXACT same hours for 40% less pay for free medical care? Remember the medical care you get WILL NOT BE what is currently available, it will be far worse, with far more wait times, less talented drs and nurses, and the govt will tell you who you can and cannot see.

I call bullshit, 40% paycut to a guy making $38k a year would be devastating.

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Originally Posted by blaknoize

My Grandma is using my taxes to fund her SSI and my Grandma is using your taxes for her SSI. Whats the issue?

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whats the problem? the problem is there wont be any SSI for US when we are of age to collect it. you realize that right? You are going to pay a tax you ENTIRE LIFE and never collect the benefit. Hows that make you feel?

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Originally Posted by Vteckidd

whats the problem? the problem is there wont be any SSI for US when we are of age to collect it. you realize that right? You are going to pay a tax you ENTIRE LIFE and never collect the benefit. Hows that make you feel?

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I'm using that as a reference. Why is it that this security is going away? It's not that we dont pay for it, it's the people who manage our own payments. This is another issue related to the governments handling of our monies. I'm talking about the principle behind it. We all pay for that, yet no one complains about us paying to much.

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Originally Posted by blaknoize

I'm using that as a reference. Why is it that this security is going away? It's not that we dont pay for it, it's the people who manage our own payments. This is another issue related to the governments handling of our monies. I'm talking about the principle behind it. We all pay for that, yet no one complains about us paying to much.

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Social Security and Medicare are a benefit we all pay into over our entire working life so that we have that crutch when we retire.

SS is a govt run Ponzi scheme at this point. There is no trust fund, there is nothing but a bunch of IOUs. You can talk about a principle all you want. I will talk about reality. The exact same people that so poorly managed the VA, Medicare, and SS will be making all of your healthcare decisions, you are OK with this?


Ans don't give me that crap about not caring for others either. I could easily say the same to you considering you want to confiscate my money to give to others who didn't earn it. You want to sentence me to terrible health care so some freeloader can get it for free.

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Santorum just needs a new PR guy..like this guy

http://www.wimp.com/bppr/

Santorum just needs to pack up shop and go home and admit that he's really not meant to be a politician.

Santorum is an idiot, but that doesnt change the medical care argument.