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    Default Do you think the upcoming generation will produce more effective leaders?

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    Highly doubt it. Our society is so mislead it's disturbing.


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    We already have people who can lead effectively, and to lead citizens in the right direction. We just have the wrong people in office ATM.

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    No. People are more concerned with celebrities lives than they are with what's going on that effects their own life. They'd rather hear who's winning American Idol, what the Jersery Shore turds are doing, or who Kim Kardashian's next victim will be all while posting their every move on facebook and twitter instead of paying attention to what the goons in D.C. are doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Browning151 View Post
    No. People are more concerned with celebrities lives than they are with what's going on that effects their own life. They'd rather hear who's winning American Idol, what the Jersery Shore turds are doing, or who Kim Kardashian's next victim will be all while posting their every move on facebook and twitter instead of paying attention to what the goons in D.C. are doing.
    I don't think that would be the reason. Our generation is smarter and more advanced. Due to advanced media of communication we are more exposed and have wider view than any other generation. We are growing up in a world of international commerce. Yet, I am not sure if the next gen would produce more effective leaders. With advancement comes new challenges. And we shouldn't make this judgement based on comparison between current leaders and up coming ones. We could be committing an incomplete comparison fallacy. Just my 2

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    I think so. Similar to the above poster, kids these days are better educated (though not necessarily from school) and are more immersed in the world as a whole. Dealing with people from diverse backgrounds is the new norm. Leadership is all about how to motivate others and bring concensus. Of course lots of kids will not be good leaders but that's nothing new, it's just the diversions that have changed. I have actually done some teaching with kindergarten through high school students and I am blown away by how mature, intelligent, and informed many of them are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isa2o3 View Post
    Our generation is smarter and more advanced. Due to advanced media of communication we are more exposed and have wider view than any other generation.

    Teenagers these days are sheltered idiots. They have no real skills, they have no ambition, and they have no clue what a real days work is. As stated, kids and even people through their early twenties care more about American Idol and what this celeb or that celeb are doing than the politics that affect this country. They have no clue what is really happening, they know about a 10 second clip that played on the radio.

    A great example would the Romney doesnt care about the poor clip. Most people have absolutely no clue what was actually said. They just heard Romney doesnt care about the poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy View Post
    Teenagers these days are sheltered idiots. They have no real skills, they have no ambition, and they have no clue what a real days work is. As stated, kids and even people through their early twenties care more about American Idol and what this celeb or that celeb are doing than the politics that affect this country. They have no clue what is really happening, they know about a 10 second clip that played on the radio.

    A great example would the Romney doesnt care about the poor clip. Most people have absolutely no clue what was actually said. They just heard Romney doesnt care about the poor.
    You aren't lying about that. We all probably have plenty of friends who just post on FB about what's happening on TV with all the popular shows. Can't wait to watch Glee or can tell you an entire episode of House or SVU (whatever the name of that thing is), but have no idea to even check on what the people who govern us and policy us are up to.

    I mean I dont have internet or cable at my home, yet I'm more informed than those with total network connectivity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy

    A great example would the Romney doesnt care about the poor clip. Most people have absolutely no clue what was actually said. They just heard Romney doesnt care about the poor.
    I think they know enough about Romney to know that even when his sound bites are taken out of context, they're still true. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    I think they know enough about Romney to know that even when his sound bites are taken out of context, they're still true. Lol
    And comments like this make it obvious you fall into the idiot category.

    Romney's comments were right on. The poor have plenty of safety nets in place and 98% of the poor in this country are poor because of their own choices. The rich don't need safety nets. The main focus has to be the middle class. Strengthening and expanding the middle class will strengthen and expand the upper class and it will give the poor that want to move up more opportunity to move into the middle class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy View Post
    And comments like this make it obvious you fall into the idiot category.
    Far from it though. I know exactly what he said. Which is why I said I knew it was taken out of context. Read all of my comment, not just the part you want to read. As a mega-millionaire politician, based on other things he's said, he's still out of touch with reality. Based on other things he's said and done, he makes it pretty clear he doesn't care about poor people

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Far from it though. I know exactly what he said. Which is why I said I knew it was taken out of context. Read all of my comment, not just the part you want to read. As a mega-millionaire politician, based on other things he's said, he's still out of touch with reality. Based on other things he's said and done, he makes it pretty clear he doesn't care about poor people
    At least you are willing to admit his comments have been edited to remove all context.

    Tell me what he has said that makes him so far out of reality. I've heard him say some pretty stupid things over the last 6 months, but not any more than anyone else in the presidential running. If anything, I think Santorum is running the campaign with the least number of stupid comments.

    As he said in the edited comments, poor people have plenty of safety nets already in place. a family of 4 needs to bring home more than 60k a year to have as much disposable income as a family of 4 living on entitlements and a minimum wage job. http://www.zerohedge.com/article/ent...ome-family-mak


    The middle class has the least number of safety nets and he has said on several occasions that the middle class was where he was directing his campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    Tell me what he has said that makes him so far out of reality.
    I could make a whole other thread with Romney gaffes. You know exactly all the stupid shit he says

    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    Santorum is running the campaign with the least number of stupid comments
    Really? Santorum? With all the comments he's made, I am honestly not entirely sure that man is a human.

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    Being uninformed about politics doesn't mean kids can't grow up to be good leaders. Politics has never been of interest to a majority of young people and probably never will. Kids care about pop culture, music, and having fun. I don't see the upcoming generation as being significantly different in that way than my generation or the generation before me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
    Being uninformed about politics doesn't mean kids can't grow up to be good leaders. Politics has never been of interest to a majority of young people and probably never will. Kids care about pop culture, music, and having fun. I don't see the upcoming generation as being significantly different in that way than my generation or the generation before me.
    Based on what I have seen of kids through their early 20's I have no doubt they will be a drag on this country. Even if you want to excuse their lack of political knowledge you cant escape the complete lack of work ethic and accountability they show. Everything wrong in their life is someone else's fault, not their own. I dont blame them though. I blame the worthless parents that didnt take the time to instill a work ethic. They also didnt bother to take the time to hold their kids accountable for their misdeeds.

    Maybe the old farts such as Paul and QD could remember back in their childhood and tell me if this is a newer occurrence. I cant remember a time when some crying mother/father/aunt didnt hit the TV screen talking about how their boy was a good boy that just got caught up with the wrong crowd. This after the 'good boy' was arrested for armed robbery and murder.

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    Are you just basing it off anecdotal evidence because the scenario you describe does not match my experience with the majority of kids I know or have interacted with. Sensationalist TV programs are definitely not a good source of evidence either.

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    no, its gonna go even further down hill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
    Are you just basing it off anecdotal evidence because the scenario you describe does not match my experience with the majority of kids I know or have interacted with. Sensationalist TV programs are definitely not a good source of evidence either.
    Based on my 19y/o nephew and his friends that I know. Based on a few of the early 20's kids that I work with every day.

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    Kids have a lot to be angry about though. The last generation didn't have to resort to making lattes after they finished getting their college degree worth 50k+. We have had the same shit shoved down our throats that if you go to school and work hard life will fall into place, and that's not how it works in this economic climate. That's what is causing those who are politically ignorant to rise....our generation isn't as bad as people think. In confusing times like these it's only natural for young people to be angry, and probably say some stupid shit here and there. My generation is as capable as any of leadership.

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