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Haha actually that's pretty much a textbook racist statement. You are lumping all blacks into the same group and saying they all act the same way based on their race. Now you may be right for some percentage of blacks but that doesn't mean you can apply a blanket statement to all of them.

Lot of black celebrities said they voted for Obama because hes black. I'm taking their word for it. The stats pretty much tell a story.... i mean, somewhere around 50% of white people voted for Obama... thats a normal number, maybe some people agreed with him, some didnt...... 9X% of black people voted for Obama.... im sure they were all up to date on his views and policies.... because there's nothing unusual about 9X% of people agreeing with each other right? that happens all the time.

The guy below is spot on. Thankfully its a black guy saying it, if a white guy delivered the same message there would be a shit storm.

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Lot of black celebrities said they voted for Obama because hes black. I'm taking their word for it. The stats pretty much tell a story.... i mean, somewhere around 50% of white people voted for Obama... thats a normal number, maybe some people agreed with him, some didnt...... 9X% of black people voted for Obama.... im sure they were all up to date on his views and policies.... because there's nothing unusual about 9X% of people agreeing with each other right? that happens all the time.

The guy below is spot on. Thankfully its a black guy saying it, if a white guy delivered the same message there would be a shit storm.

I completely agree with you that some people voted for him only because of his race. This is fact because some have said as much. What made your previous statement racist is that you then tried to apply it to an entire race. To put it simply:

1. Some blacks voted for Obama because of his race [NOT RACIST, factual statement]

2. Blacks only voted for Obama because of his race [RACIST, generalizing an entire race]

Statement 2 would actually not be racist if every single black voter voted for Obama (which did not happen) and every single black voter stated they only voted for him based on his race (also did not happen).

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I completely agree with you that some people voted for him only because of his race. This is fact because some have said as much. What made your previous statement racist is that you then tried to apply it to an entire race. To put it simply:

1. Some blacks voted for Obama because of his race [NOT RACIST, factual statement]

2. Blacks only voted for Obama because of his race [RACIST, generalizing an entire race]

Statement 2 would actually not be racist if every single black voter voted for Obama (which did not happen) and every single black voter stated they only voted for him based on his race (also did not happen).

i feel what youre saying, i just dont feel the need to "pull punches" when making comments about race. I feel like black people need to be told the cold hard truth and we need to stop having to walk on egg shells around them. A lot of black leaders have made very bold statements to the black community. The basic idea that they need to "shape up" is pretty common, people are just delicate about the way they project that idea to the public.

Rather than the X% of people who feel stereotyped saying "hey quit stereotyping me", they need to turn to the other X% and say "hey, youre making us all look bad, shape up"

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i feel what youre saying, i just dont feel the need to "pull punches"...

I understand what you're saying as well. I'm not asking you to pull punches, just be clear about what you really mean. People might be more receptive your point. When you overgeneralize it is very easy for people to dismiss you.

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If you are basing your belief in any way on Al Gore (not a scientist) then you are missing the point. People on both sides are making lots of money on this issue, that's why you have to look at the science.

It's clear that some of you are starting with the conclusion that global warming is not an issue we need to address and then going to find evidence to support that preconceived conclusion. You can post dissenting opinions but its not very convincing when you link to a report claiming 700 dissenters when that is such a small group compared to the scientists who feel the evidence is compelling. If I have to choose a group to trust, I'll choose the group that includes pretty much all the major scientific organziations around the world who actually study the field.