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For the most part I like Paul, but in some areas we simply dont agree. I dont agree with his stance on Iraq and Afghanistan specificly.
I certainly wouldnt worry as much about this country as I will be if the idiot squatting in the Whore House isnt replaced.
The only relatively sane one there. I'm still going to vote for Obama this time around. I'd like to see what he gets done when he doesn't have to worry about re-election. Already looks like he's making good on the promise to end the wars as they announced today it's definitely winding down in Iraq.
Pauls a loon. His stance on foreign policy is rediculous, his stance on entitlements is suicide, too many bad things. I would take him over Obama, but hes not even going to be close to getting the nomination
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Originally Posted by .blank cd
We knew you were voting for Obama. Not only is he black, he is a democrat.
Your vote doesnt count though because you live in GA. GA is going to the GOP candidate. Just like we already know New York is going to Dem candidate, Obama in this election, whatever dem runs in the next election.
Let me know if you want to hear my views on Electoral College reform.
Wasnt the first time around bad enough?
GOP will probably own the Senate and definitely the House after this election though so it will be nothing but more gridlock.
Getting us out of Iraq, which makes sense considering all the political BS that is leaving the troops hanging in the wind with no real mission. That part isnt just Obama though. Bush screwed the pooch just as bad on that one. Asscrackistan is heading to the same fate. Political leadership doesnt have the will to actually win the fight.
Dont forget that he just tossed troops into Africa though so we can say he is adding another small war to make up for Iraq.
Too bad he has ignored all of the promises he made.
Deficit cut in half by the end of his 1st term? Nope, deficit quadrupled.
Close Gotmo by Jan.10? Still opening and running at full throttle.
Unemployment below 8%? 9.1% and holding. Probably going to 9.2% next month though.
His foreign policy is where I draw the line on him. I really do like his monetary policy though.
I almost want to vote for Cain just because a black guy may be the only way to get another black guy out of office. Black people would vote for Obama no matter what he said or did.
i dont know too much about Cain, from seeing him on TV he seems to be an alright guy. Doesnt appear to have much experience....... but can it get any worse?
Blacks vote Dem for this same reason. They are simply brainwashed into thinking dems are good for them. After more than half of century of this thinking, blacks are no better off than they were.
yeah, but saying that makes us racist. Even if 99% of blacks vote for Obama and 1% claimed they checked the wrong box... its YOU who is the racist.
Something I didnt know until recently, It was the GOP that got the civil rights bill passed in 1964. It was southern dems that filibustered it for 57 days in the Senate. It was also 2 dem committee chairmen that nearly killed the bill before it ever made it out of committee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
I wonder what the responses would be if we went downtown and asked what party got the Civil Rights Act passed?
Smart people would say republicans, even smarter people would say that the GOP of that era was a far cry from the crazy lot they call GOP today. Back then they were actually........
...
...Progressive
id be careful to classify all black people as democrats and be careful the language you use. It just furthers the stereotype that GOP people are racists (which i do not believe).
Personally, Obama will get the black vote, but not nearly in the capacity he did last time around. I dont hold it against him because blacks traditionally vote dem anyway. And i see nothing wrong with people voting for someone in the party they were going to vote for him anyway , and came out because he was the same skin tone.
there were people that voted mcain simply because they didnt WANT a black person in the white house (although far fewer of those loons).
I like to keep race out of it, because it is not a race question for me. Its a policy question. I do not like Obamas POLICIES, has nothing to do with his skin tone. I didnt agree with Becks observation that he had a deep seeded hatred for white people. I thought that was disengenious. I think Obama just fundamentally, like the OWS people, dont understand government and its role, and the private sector and its role. period.
hes used to getting his way, and when he doesnt, he gets angry, and his only refuge is to villify the other party. But thats what he is used to, chicago style politics.
I find it funny he gets the black vote because he didnt live the so called "black experience". Hes not from the hood or the streets, hes a privledged HALF WHITE Harvard lawyer. Hes not some guy that fought the struggle and came up. He lived the very lifestyle that the OWS hate.
Gingrich is the person who has my vote right now with Cain a close second. Cain would have been my top choice until he flip flopped on his 9-9-9 plan today.
Gingrich is clearly the most substantive person in the field, and he will prob NOT get the nomination.
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Gingrich totally lost all my respect after he was preaching up there about not wanting atheists in a position of power.
Cain doesn't believe in climate change, and his 9.99 pizza plan tax is regressive.
...and that's the sane bunch....
You have to remember that this is a GOP debate. Just like any other same party debate, candidates speak loudest to the base.
Man-made climate change is a joke at this point. The so called science behind it is garbage and there have been several cases where scientists with an agenda ignored and changed data to support their theories.
I like the 9-9-9 plan even though I think he should run on the fairtax and use the 9-9-9 plan as a bridge. I would even be OK with a 2 tier income tax on it. Something along the lines of 4% for those making under 100k and 12% for those making more. No deductions, in incentives, no nothing. Just a flat 4 and 12% rate. Its about time those at the bottom pay something, even though it wont be their fair share.
no such thing as a perfect candidate, and Gingrich isnt "super christian" like bachman and i dont believe he would try to force his views on us. So thats fine. For the record i disagreed with Cain saying he would have a different vetting process for people who were muslim on his staff. I dont believe in that either.
Gingrich is clearly the smartest person on the economy and economic policies plus he has proven he can do what no one else can, compromise.
youre insane if you believe in climate change IMO, and his 9-9-9 plan was exactly what this country needs. Its not regressive , but i understand you would say that because its prob something you saw Rachel Maddow spout off.Cain doesn't believe in climate change, and his 9.99 pizza plan tax is regressive.
...and that's the sane bunch....
i have no problem making everyone pay taxes, some portion, because that is what is truly THE FAIR SHARE.
When he changed it to 9-0-9 he lost me
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Global warming is a legitimate problem. If we reduce our emissions over the next 3-4-5 million years, we might negate the effects of 1 volcano. Thats progress.
So you guys honestly think all the shit we've been carelessly pumping into the atmosphere since the industrial revolution has no effect on our climate? I think it's definitely exaggerated but just not believing in it sounds insanely biased to me.
The dinosaurs should have sold their suburbans and started car pooling in a prius.
Are you being really serious right now? For your sake I hope you're trolling. Lol
i just dont want my gasoline to be taken away.
Haha actually that's pretty much a textbook racist statement. You are lumping all blacks into the same group and saying they all act the same way based on their race. Now you may be right for some percentage of blacks but that doesn't mean you can apply a blanket statement to all of them.
Yeah because we know better than all these stupid scientists with their scientific method and peer review right? I mean seriously, when have scientists ever been right about anything?
I thought we had already been over this. The 9-9-9 plan is regressive..period. If you want to blame someone for this, you can blame Merriam and Webster
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/regressive
the scientists have been proven to be in bed with the corporations you so despise to make money off this. its a liberal farce and a scam. there is no conclusive evidence its even true. For every scientist that says it exists theres 10 that say it doesnt. For every scientist that says global warming, there is 10 that point to the cooling we have expeerienced.
So now, its not true IMO and its not true because it cant be proven, and there is TONS of corporate and GOVT money behind it. Its an agenda, its not based on anything real.
I love how people like you want to force the rich to pay more in taxes, but when someone comes up with a plan to make the 50% of this country who pay ZERO IN TAXES put some skin in the game , its dismissed as "regressive".I thought we had already been over this. The 9-9-9 plan is regressive..period. If you want to blame someone for this, you can blame Merriam and Webster
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/regressive
I dont know whats so hard to understand. If you pay 35% now, you pay less. If you pay 0% in income taxes, you now pay 9%. Everyone now PAYS THEIR FAIR SHARE, from the millionaire to the poor house. How is that not fair? but your guys idea of "fair" can be translated into "you pay for everything i want".
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Trust me bro, I feel you on that. I'm not balls deep in the hype Al Gore style or anything but I do certainly believe we have been harming the environment. How much we can actually do about it is definitely questionable though.i just dont want my gasoline to be taken away.
Climate change is happening, it doesn't take a scientist to prove it (even though it's been shown in independent studies) Climate change has been happening since the beginning of time, and with the discovery of fossil fuels it's been happening at an accelerated rate.
And there is absolutely no one in this country that pays ZERO taxes. That's a conservative talking point that's been proven false. Stop spreading it.
And this tax plan. LOL...
If you take the multi millionaire that makes $10 mil a year, who is paying 20% in income tax, that's $2 mil, then you make him pay 9%, which ends up being almost 1 mil. This guy probably works on wall street and lives in NYC, where sales tax is now 10%, after the 9.99 plan it's 9%. Another hefty break. Provided he spends half of his 8.1 mil on goods/taxable services, that's another $100k tax break. That's a $1.1+ million dollar tax break
And the rich say they hate handouts. LOL.
Now you take the kid who is getting paid just below the current tax bracket, let's say $4k. After the 9.99 plan, he gets taxed on 9%. That's almost $400. Since he's poor and lives in NY, he's probably going to spend most of the remainder on goods/services, so he saves $40 bucks. If he lives in GA, he'll pay an extra $120 in sales taxes.
And the rich say they want to bring the bottom up. LOL
This is what we call a regressive tax. Now if I could buy a house and a car and live comfortably off of 4 grand, I wouldn't really give a damn about this plan, but as the value of the dollar sits (as its plummeting anyway) this is impossible.
Since you seem to have the numbers nailed down on the post below about the 9-9-9 plan, let's see your numbers on this.
I love how the left preaches "fair share", but when someone proposes a tax that EVERYONE pays the same percent across the board, suddenly it's unfair. So what is it? EVERYONE pays, or the top pays for everyone?
So "fair share" is YOU (yes you Browning) paying most of your income while the 1% pays a sliver of theirs? LOL. If you wanna pay more taxes, feel free to write the govt a check (as the right always say. Lol)
Just part of the definition from MW:
marked by impartiality and honesty : free from self-interest, prejudice, or favoritism
Free from favoritism.......hmmmmm.......our current tax code shows plenty of favoritism, IN BOTH DIRECTIONS between the bottom that pays none and the top that has plenty of loopholes. So I have a hard time seeing a problem with everyone paying the same percent, top to bottom. The top looses the loopholes, and the bottom actually has to pay something.
Fair share to me is EVERYONE paying the same across the board, 9% is hardly most of my income. What exactly do you see as fair, since everyone paying the same percent of tax doesn't seem to cut it.
Also, I'm not seeing any numbers from you on the first part of my post......
You mean numbers for the people that "don't pay taxes"? You really need numbers? Unless they repealed sales taxes, everyone who buys something point of sale pays taxes. Everyone.
What do I see as fair? A tax system that doesn't give a tax break to the wealthy and take more from people in poverty.
Lot of black celebrities said they voted for Obama because hes black. I'm taking their word for it. The stats pretty much tell a story.... i mean, somewhere around 50% of white people voted for Obama... thats a normal number, maybe some people agreed with him, some didnt...... 9X% of black people voted for Obama.... im sure they were all up to date on his views and policies.... because there's nothing unusual about 9X% of people agreeing with each other right? that happens all the time.
The guy below is spot on. Thankfully its a black guy saying it, if a white guy delivered the same message there would be a shit storm.
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Where did you get this information from? If you are referring to the so called "Climategate" email scandal, an independent investigation determined the science to be sound. Please give a reference for this 10 to 1 number because as far as I am aware, you got those numbers reversed.
Unless you have reviewed the numerous studies supporting global warming, your personal feelings and suspicions are irrelevant. There is corporate and government money behind pretty most scientific research. If you are going to use that excuse you have to dismiss a rather large portion of all modern scientific research. The scientific method doesn't change based on who is funding it. That's the reason why science is so powerful (and threatening to people who want to discredit it).
To clarify you mean zero in INCOME taxes. Everyone who buys anything pays taxes so everyone who buys something does have skin in the game regardless of what they pay in income taxes. Saying something is "regressive" does not dismiss anything. You seem to think "regressive" = "bad", whereas I see it as a mathematical term which is irrelevant to good or bad. The dictionary happens to agree with me.
It's not fair by some definitions because you are only talking about income tax and not ALL taxes. Someone could be paying $0.00 in income tax but still easily be spending 10% or more of their income on taxes. I'm actually a proponent of the fair tax. Quit trying to lump me in with your singular idea of people who disagree with you on tax reform.
I completely agree with you that some people voted for him only because of his race. This is fact because some have said as much. What made your previous statement racist is that you then tried to apply it to an entire race. To put it simply:
1. Some blacks voted for Obama because of his race [NOT RACIST, factual statement]
2. Blacks only voted for Obama because of his race [RACIST, generalizing an entire race]
Statement 2 would actually not be racist if every single black voter voted for Obama (which did not happen) and every single black voter stated they only voted for him based on his race (also did not happen).
i feel what youre saying, i just dont feel the need to "pull punches" when making comments about race. I feel like black people need to be told the cold hard truth and we need to stop having to walk on egg shells around them. A lot of black leaders have made very bold statements to the black community. The basic idea that they need to "shape up" is pretty common, people are just delicate about the way they project that idea to the public.
Rather than the X% of people who feel stereotyped saying "hey quit stereotyping me", they need to turn to the other X% and say "hey, youre making us all look bad, shape up"
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One of the most uninformed statements in this thread.
This idea the right has that all scientists in every single institution and journal and country in the world are colluding to lie in all of their research is what the real farce is.
People on the right had no problem with the reality of climate change until Al Gore got involved in it. Then it had to be wrong because Al Gore was the bad boogeyman.
And this statement shows that you know even less about science than the previous one.
LOL prove to me climate change exists. You can. Al gore and all his cronies are in it to make money, period.
I'm well informed, but feel free to prove your point.
Green tech, climate change, its all a scam
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LOL. Tell it again human! Did you skip your ENTIRE 8th grade science class?
Whats next? Evolution is a scam? Gravity is a scam?
I found this interesting.
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...0-274616db87e6
So al gore in all his infinite wisdom, makes MILLIONS of dollars and lives in the most NON GREEN house on the planet all in the name of lecturing me about the business of destroying the planet and climate change? right......
Fact is you cannot prove it exists , there is ZERO CONCLUSIVE DATA. There are tons of studies proving it doesnt exist, from the hurricanes, to the record blizzards we have had (and i was in the middle of) in DC and new york the last few years, etc. The earth hasnt warmed like they say it has, there were emails sent by prominent scientists that admitted to HIDING data that proved them wrong.
Al Gore doesnt even grasp the subject he tries to lecture about saying the earths core is millions of degrees in temperature, which is blatantly false because then we would be a STAR and we would be vapor. The earths core is really 4000-6000 degrees. What a genius.
for every study you have that shows it exists there are ones that say it doesnt. So , i dont believe it exists , and when the major proponents of it fly around in private million dollar jets and escalades, and demand getting major money to lecture about it, then refuse to be held accountable, i smell a rat.During an appearance on NBC's Tonight show Nov. 12, former Vice President Al Gore told host Conan O'Brien geothermal energy is a promising alternative to fossil fuels because "the interior of the earth is extremely hot, several million degrees, and the crust of the earth is hot."
The temperature at the earth's core has been estimated at between 4,000 and 6,000 degrees Celsius. As John Derbyshire of National Review noted, "if the temperature anywhere inside the earth were ‘several million degrees,' we'd be a star."
sorry if you arent smart enough or dont want to put the puzzle togehter
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Very interesting.
“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.Nope, not a scam at all.“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.
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