#OccupyWallStreet. Why is this not getting major MSM attention?

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UGA rescinded the permits to protest, the City did not. From the little I know, the OWS people never had a permit to spend the night in Woodruff Park. Please cite a sourse saying they did have a permit to do so.

Havent seen anything about UGA rescinding any permits...

"In Atlanta, around 50 protesters were arrested after Mayor Kasim Reed revoked his executive order allowing protesters to camp out in Woodruff Park, and police tried to clear them out."
Woodruff Park is a public place, so free speech is protected there.

Riot gear and tear gas, but theres no riot going on....
Source:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...SiIM_blog.html

More Source (I dont disappoint):

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...zens-arrested/

This is too easy. The google button is fantastic:

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...es-park-permit

And just in case you thought all my other sources were biased, here's some "fair and balanced" coverage. LOL

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/26...et-protesters/

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Its kind of funny, because like the protestors, you don't even know what you're arguing about lol

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The fact is you can't be arrested for being inside a building with a bunch of people, if that was the case, there's gonna be a serious problem come November 25th. You can be arrested for going inside a building and throwing deposit slips all over the place. Fine deal with that guy. You can't be held hostage and arrested for going inside a building and cleaning it up.

[Vteckidd]

well i would love to continue arguing with you but its really worthless at this point. I made my point

[Vteckidd]

really non violent

http://www.billoreilly.com/video?cha...732785835#play

(chanting FUCK THE POLICE and all) LOL

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really non violent

http://www.billoreilly.com/video?cha...732785835#play

(chanting FUCK THE POLICE and all) LOL

LOL. I wasn't aware freedom of speech was the same thing as violence and justified the use of riot gear. Can you show me where that is in the constitution? Or is that only your opinion?

[Vteckidd]

LOL. I wasn't aware freedom of speech was the same thing as violence and justified the use of riot gear. Can you show me where that is in the constitution? Or is that only your opinion?

freedom of speech is fine, but storming into a business trashing it isnt free speech unless you have the same backwards ass thinking you do.

Riot gear was justified when you have groups of people massing in a pulbic place, refusing to leave, not obeying the state laws, and holding rallies where they chant "fuck the police". So yeah, asshat, you act a certain way you get dealt with a certain way.

Go stand on a corner outside of a police station and chant FUCK THE POLICE with 100 of your closest friends and see what happens

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How does USA Today work?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...ion02_ST_N.htm

Still doesn't show me that the majority of the American population hates him, just talks about the 2010 elections

I have been out of the country for the last week so I may be a little out of touch on this.

UGA rescinded the permits to protest, the City did not. From the little I know, the OWS people never had a permit to spend the night in Woodruff Park. Please cite a sourse saying they did have a permit to do so.

Let me do a little digging and I'll find the permit for you

Lets do some comparisons. Civil Rights movement had leaders like MLK who was vocally against any and all violent action. OWS, has Michael Moore saying its not time for violence against the rich, yet.
Moral inequality? Please explain this. Tell me what is morally wrong about working hard and legally attaining money. Now tell me what is morally right about saying I should make a living wage, whether I decide I want to work or not.
Financial inequality? Another one that needs an explanation. Of course not everyone has the money that Bill Gates has. Then again, no one here has half the intelligence and vision he had. If you did, you could create a computer operating system that dominates the market.

I'm sorry, you still think the occupy movement is protesting rich, hard working people? So what about all the hard working people, and all the rich, hard working people that are in the movement? Are they just there for the free food? LOL

Of course its an opinion piece. Its never been advertised as anything BUT an opinion show. That doesnt mean that he isnt reporting on real news, THEN giving his, and the opinons of his guests, airtime.

"Tide comes in, tide goes out. You can't explain that"

- Bill O'Reiley on "The O'Reiley Factor" on how he thinks tides work.

That is the character he plays on television. The conservative spin host. Someone who doesn't know what's going on in the world around him, packaged as "entertainment" and sold as "news". Wanna stop selling it as news? Take it off the NEWS channel. Until he plays the smart educated man we know he is, he will remain just that: a "character"

So with that said, Fox news, nor Bill O'reileys own website will be getting any page-views from me, so if you foolishly want to quote him as factual news, find a corresponding video on YouTube.

And before you try and attack my statement by saying Colbert and Stewart on the Comedy Channel isn't news either, I've never quoted them and never tried to pass it off as news. Neither has their network.

[Vteckidd]

this is all that needs to be said.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGL-Ex1CD1c

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this is all that needs to be said.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGL-Ex1CD1c

Now you're getting somewhere.

You can tell Peter went into that interview with the wrong intentions. Sounds like he's kinda trying to bash their reasons for being there rather than trying to understand them. You can tell when he states "Capitalism is the only way" and "Socialism is wrong". I've only watched 5 minutes of it, but Im interested in seeing the rest so I'll watch the rest of it when I get home.

[Vteckidd]

Now you're getting somewhere.

You can tell Peter went into that interview with the wrong intentions. Sounds like he's kinda trying to bash their reasons for being there rather than trying to understand them. You can tell when he states "Capitalism is the only way" and "Socialism is wrong". I've only watched 5 minutes of it, but Im interested in seeing the rest so I'll watch the rest of it when I get home.

Capitalism is the only way, socialism doesnt work.

when you run out of people to take wealth from, youre left with Greece.


but you wouldnt understand that

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Capitalism is the only way, socialism doesnt work.

Those aren't the only two options. The US never has had a purely capitalist economic system anyways. There is no perfect system.

Also I think you are unfairly characterizing the OWS protests. I don't think they are demonizing the rich for being rich. They are demonizing certain rich people for the way they get/stay rich (e.g., speculating on stocks with middle class money and getting paid millions even when they lose). By the way, this is coming from someone who "makes 6 figures and lives a nice life".

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You're right. According to the right, Socialism doesn't work...

Unless it benefits the right....

Unless you're a bank CEO

Unless you're an auto manufacturer.

But in those instances, they don't call it socialism....

What do they call handouts in those situations? I'm interested in knowing....

[Vteckidd]

You're right. According to the right, Socialism doesn't work...

Unless it benefits the right....

Unless you're a bank CEO

Unless you're an auto manufacturer.

But in those instances, they don't call it socialism....

and your comprehension skills rivals your intelligence level. Bailing out the banks and auto companies was socialism, and we should have let them fail, and we should have let those people lose their jobs.

that is the ONLY thing i agree with. Bailouts ISNT capitalism, and furthermore demonstrates my point. We tried socialism by saving the bank and auto companies and where did that get us:

2% points HIGHER unemployment and not going anywhere for AT LEAST 2 years, most likely higher
Auto companies still not viable
Millions of dollars in bad loans
LOWER housing prices
worse housing market than in 08
prices still deflating


Bailouts didnt work thats proven

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2% points HIGHER unemployment and not going anywhere for AT LEAST 2 years, most likely higher
Auto companies still not viable
Millions of dollars in bad loans
LOWER housing prices
worse housing market than in 08
prices still deflating


Bailouts didnt work thats proven

I'm not arguing that the bailouts were good or bad but your logic is flawed here. If you want to argue about the effectiveness of the bailouts, you have to compare the effects to the alternate universe 2011 in which there were no bailouts. You are comparing NOW to 2008. You make it sound like the bailout caused unemployment which obviously doesn't make any sense.

[BanginJimmy]

I'm not arguing that the bailouts were good or bad but your logic is flawed here. If you want to argue about the effectiveness of the bailouts, you have to compare the effects to the alternate universe 2011 in which there were no bailouts. You are comparing NOW to 2008. You make it sound like the bailout caused unemployment which obviously doesn't make any sense.

Since I havent visited that alternate universe and you have, why dont you tell us all what the US would look like without the bailouts.

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Since I havent visited that alternate universe and you have, why dont you tell us all what the US would look like without the bailouts.

No need for sarcasm. I'm simply saying you can't conclude "the bailouts have proven to have failed" just as someone can't conclude "they surely succeeded". The argument is mostly in the thoeretical domain so it is disengenuous to speak on such issues as if they are a matter of fact and that you know the truth while those who disagree with you are ignorant or dishonest.

I'm noticing the same pattern in almost all the arguments on this forum. Take the OWS protestors. The detractors on here won't even recognize that the protesters have even the slightest hint of a legitimate greivance. So much energy is poured into discredting their motives and perceived demands (there aren't any official demands) and absolutely no energy is put into identifying areas where we might actually be able to improve our financial and political system.

[BanginJimmy]

You're right. According to the right, Socialism doesn't work...

Unless it benefits the right....

Unless you're a bank CEO

Unless you're an auto manufacturer.

But in those instances, they don't call it socialism....

What do they call handouts in those situations? I'm interested in knowing....

You also have to admit that most CONSERVATIVES, notice I didnt say republicans, were against the bailouts. I know I was and most of the conservatives I know were also.

[Vteckidd]

Then again i dont have anything in common with most of you, i make 6 figures and live a nice life, so i dont expect you to understand what it takes to get to a level of wealth that im at. cause you havent done it. Thats not me bragging although i bet youll think its that. Thats me saying , you better have some type of degree or good paying job before you start wanting to take wealth from other people cause you dont have it. I personally wont give you a dime if you dont earn it. so go look somewhere else.

Its easy to demonize 1 group when youve never been part of it.

Unlike you, i want to be rich, i want to be a millionaire, i want to have a yacht and a ferrari. And ill do whatever i have to do to get there. Its not going to be easy, but id rather earn my own wealth than demand someone else who worked hard for it give it to me. And if they didnt work hard for it (because they were born into it, or won the lottery) then i still dont want it because its not mine.

I dont demonize the rich, i want to be one of them. you should try it sometime

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Since I havent visited that alternate universe and you have, why dont you tell us all what the US would look like without the bailouts.

Who really knows? Would there have been a global financial system collapse? Some models say yes. But it didn't happen. If there would have been conclusive evidence that would have said "maybe, but we'd come out of it stronger" I would have definitely said "Fuck Em". If there were conclusive evidence that said "global meltdown worlds colliding shitstorm for decades" the I wouldve said lets do this. There was a European country that had a bunch of banks fail a while back, I wanna say Denmark, who are coming out of it pretty strong, but they weren't a world power and their currency wasnt the international standard. So who knows.

The automakers on the other hand. We should've let them tank.

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Seems that Oakland has a history of violating peoples 1st Amendmant rights. Comforting....

http://articles.sfgate.com/2004-11-0...Q5zQh9A.reddit

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You seem to really not understand the issue. You keep saying free speech is protected like it was violated. They aren't being kicked out or arrested for "protesting" they are being kicked out and arrested for squatting and being unruly and trashing the places they are "occupying."

They are trying to live in public places that have curfews for people's safety. When asked to respect that law they refuse to leave. When groups of people refuse to leave they get arrested for trespassing, etc

In the Oakland scenario they barricaded themselves in to the plaza and were hostile toward police so they used non lethal force to clear them out.

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Did you totally miss the pats that said Reed gave them permission to be there and reneged? Or did you selectively read it? Unruliness is your opinion. Civil disobedience is part of non-violent protesting. Always has been. Riot gear and tear gas are completely unnecessary. Period. It's violent force against non violent people and it's only making the cause stronger

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Did you totally miss the pats that said Reed gave them permission to be there and reneged? Or did you selectively read it? Unruliness is your opinion. Civil disobedience is part of non-violent protesting. Always has been. Riot gear and tear gas are completely unnecessary. Period. It's violent force against non violent people and it's only making the cause stronger

Did you miss the part where there was an unauthorized concert held in the park and Reed also said that he felt the protesters were escalating and there was going to be trouble? He does have a duty to public safety as well, as in the safety of EVERYONE, not just these squatters living on public property. If he feels that things may get out of hand and there's a threat to public safety then he has a duty to remove them.

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Wonder how many goals they accomplished? Tea party got elected and recognized in Congress with a caucus. Occupy will fade because its based on a bunch of people who want to take from others because they are too lazy to gett their own.

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Across the world, people, including our own presidential administration were OUTRAGED when we heard that Egypt was using teargas against their people during the Arab Spring protests. They screamed "Thats not democratic!" A few months later, a Marine gets shot in the head by a teargas grenade, then the same officer lobs a stun grenade in the middle of a group of people trying to help this fallen marine, The Dept. of Justice says they can file a complaint and they'll look into it.

Hmm....Are we to believe that an autocracy is enjoying more democratic freedoms than the United States? Really?

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” -Mahatma Ghandi

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You're telling me I dont understand the movement, but you're sitting here still believing its a bunch of hippies begging for free stuff? Its ok to say you dont understand man. I dont mind educating you a little

Here's the case in Nashville where they basically tried to pass a curfew and the judge wasn't having it and released everyone arrested

http://www.nashvillescene.com/pitw/a...eturn-to-plaza

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Reed didn't "renege" , he resendid their permit to be there past curfew hours (a permit he granted them) because of the total disrespect and non compliance with the laws.

They broke their promise to him, he had no choice.

I live by woodruff park, I live in Atlanta, I know what happened.

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Wonder how many goals they accomplished? Tea party got elected and recognized in Congress with a caucus. Occupy will fade because its based on a bunch of people who want to take from others because they are too lazy to gett their own.

You still think that's what this movement is about? You obviously don't understand it. It's not what it's about at all actually.

The tea party got elected because they had money. Simple as that.

Funny, they said the civil rights movement would fade too. Hmm....

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You still think that's what this movement is about? You obviously don't understand it. It's not what it's about at all actually.

The tea party got elected because they had money. Simple as that.

Funny, they said the civil rights movement would fade too. Hmm....

Also here is a list of the events the city took against Occupy Oakland.......

ATTENTION DEMONSTRATORS
Date: October 20, 2011, 8:00 pm
NOTICE TO VACATE FRANK OGAWA PLAZA
The City of Oakland is committed to facilitating peaceful forms of expression and free
speech rights, and protecting personal safety and property.
From the outset of the demonstration on October 10, the City of Oakland has maintained its commitment
to facilitating the peaceful expression of First Amendment rights, balanced with the City’s equal
commitment to protecting and maintaining public safety, public health, and crowd control. While
demonstrators have a right to peaceful expression, the City has a responsibility to ensure a public health
and safety plan during such events.
During the past 10 days, City officials have provided written documentation—handed out in person and
posted on the City’s web site—outlining specific public health, safety, and crowd control issues to be
addressed by demonstrators.
We believe that after 10 days, the City can no longer uphold public health and safety. In recent days,
camp conditions and occupants’ behavior have significantly deteriorated, and it is no longer manageable
to maintain a public health and safety plan. These conditions, which have not been sufficiently addressed,
include:
�� Fire hazards: cooking with open flame, improper storage and disposal of propane tanks, storage of
grease, inadequate fire extinguishers, density of tents and flammable materials, smoking in tents, piles
of hay and wood
�� Safety hazards: increasing frequency of violence, assaults, threats and intimidation
�� Denial of access: to emergency personnel to treat injured persons and to police to patrol the Plaza
�� Sanitation hazards: public urination and defecation, litter, improper food preparation and storage
practices
�� Health hazards: existing rodent problem has been exacerbated and is endangering public health.
County vector control is unable to implement measures to control the rat population under current
conditions
�� Physical damage: graffiti, vandalism and other damage to Plaza infrastructure and the historic tree
�� Disruption of the Plaza for public use: some events for groups who have complied with City
regulations have been reprogrammed or relocated
As a result of these serious conditions, the Administration has determined that facilitating this expression
of speech is no longer viable, nor in the interest of public health and safety. Peaceful daytime assembly
will continue to be allowed between 6 am and 10 pm daily. No tents or overnight camping permitted.

So again, they were given warnings, they refused to respect the law and they can deal with the consequences. And thier "free speech" wasnt violated, it was their actions around their free speech that caused them to get booted out and arrested.

response to the Injured Marine:
This is a reaction to a video of the injured Marine:

Quote:

Additionally, the officers in the video were stationary, behind a barricade, and it was your "peaceful" protesters that chose to advance on the police position after being told to disperse. The injured guy was dropped within 10 feet of the barricade fence and directly in front of the officers. What was he doing there? The officers were a stationary group of targets holding a line against hundreds of rioters spanning distances of hundreds of yards and with a 180 degree field of view while taking incoming projectiles. The protesters chose the actions that led to the violence in the video.

Looks like they agree with me, go figure

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Reed didn't "renege" , he resendid their permit to be there past curfew hours (a permit he granted them)

He granted a permit, then rescinded it. You don't call that reneging(short for renegotiating)? What do you call it? Indian giving? Being a whiney little baby? I'm interested in knowing. Really.

[Vteckidd]

LOL occupy has far moe money behind it from liberal think tanks than the tea party had. Tea party never had to go recruit homeless people to falsely give out higher number either.

Reed revoked their permit because THEY refused to abide by the city laws HE asked them to respect.

Reed is a hard liberal and protester himself and even he saw how "mob rule" they were getting. He is responsible for all citizens safety and he did what he did to protect it.

This will fade, what they want is not possible and doesn't work. Sharing the wealth doesn't work. Socialism doesn't work.

If you think it does move to Europe.

This is a bunch of AVERAGE INTELLIGENCE people who want handouts, clearly the civil rights movements had much smarter and powerful forces behind it.

[Humphrizzle]

the protesters attack police officers.. this is non-violent behavior? i dont think so...

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Sigh. Ok. If socialism doesn't work for you, please stop using public highways, public roads, don't ever call the police if you're in trouble, or the fire dept. if your place is burning down, don't call an ambulance. Stop using this website and stop using the Internet all together. Hate to have you be associated with socialism in any way

[Vteckidd]

Sigh. Ok. If socialism doesn't work for you, please stop using public highways, public roads, don't ever call the police if you're in trouble, or the fire dept. if your place is burning down, don't call an ambulance. Stop using this website and stop using the Internet all together. Hate to have you be associated with socialism in any way

You don't even know what the definition of socialism is.........no point in arguing when you can't even comprehend your own opinion

[Vteckidd]

Do you have a college degree? High school? We can see who is more educated if you want.

[Browning151]

Sigh. Ok. If socialism doesn't work for you, please stop using public highways, public roads, don't ever call the police if you're in trouble, or the fire dept. if your place is burning down, don't call an ambulance. Stop using this website and stop using the Internet all together. Hate to have you be associated with socialism in any way

You're about as brainwashed as they come.

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the protesters attack police officers.. this is non-violent behavior? i dont think so...

Youve seen protesters attack police? Heard any news reports of any protesters attacking the police? Didn't think so. If there was thered be a shitstorm. It's a non-violent protest (from the protesters side anyway). Don't confuse civil disobedience with violence

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Sure I do. All I had to do was look in the dictionary and the encyclopedia. If more conservatives used those, there wouldn't be conservatism. LOL. It makes you sound uneducated (at least, to educated people) when you say socialism is all about free free free handout handout handout hitler stalin, free. I could say capitalism is all about greed greed greed and stealing from poor people, but I wouldn't be correct, or sound very educated, would I? You see my point?

[Humphrizzle]

I've heard many reports of irrational protestors angrily rushing the police patrolling the mob of retards.