Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy View Post
Im not ar a computer right now so no drawn out responses. What I will say is that it has been proven on several occasions that removing the safety net forces people to take care of themselves.
No study needed. If someone isn't taking care of you then by definition, you are forced to take care of yourself. The question is, what is the best arrangement for society? A non exhaustive list of pros and cons may look as follows:

Possible Pros of Welfare:
Moral imperative to help those who can not help themselves
Encourages entreprenurial risk taking
Decreases desire (need?) for theft

Possible Cons of Welfare:
Requires taxation to fund
Discourages working
Decreases self reliance

The pros and cons on a welfare system must be weighed to determine if or how to implement a welfare system. That is a difficut task because it depends on assumptions, personal ethics, and imperfect science. There will never be complete consensus on such a topic but I hope we can at least agree that weighing pros and cons differently doesn't necessarily make either of us lazy, mean, stupid, etc.