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    Government workers in Wisconsin have a ridiculous setup for their pension/benefits, my mom is a public employee in GA and even when Wisconsin makes these changes their pension and healthcare payments will still be much lower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpine_aw11 View Post
    Government workers in Wisconsin have a ridiculous setup for their pension/benefits, my mom is a public employee in GA and even when Wisconsin makes these changes their pension and healthcare payments will still be much lower.
    yeah, YOUR MOM is a public employee!

    It's really not that ridiculous, but, that doesn't matter - the point is, the unions have already agreed to the changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XanRules View Post
    yeah, YOUR MOM is a public employee!

    It's really not that ridiculous, but, that doesn't matter - the point is, the unions have already agreed to the changes.
    I'm just not a big fan of the people who are protesting for the sole reason that they won't be so spoiled anymore. It's like.....the reverse tea party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpine_aw11 View Post
    I'm just not a big fan of the people who are protesting for the sole reason that they won't be so spoiled anymore. It's like.....the reverse tea party.
    Protesting for the sole reason that they won't be spoiled anymore?

    You serious?
    The working class is spoiled?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XanRules View Post
    Protesting for the sole reason that they won't be spoiled anymore?

    You serious?
    The working class is spoiled?

    Yea, government workers in Wisconsin do happen to be very spoiled compared to most other states. There really isn't an argument against it either.

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    Here's something for your "can this possibly be for real" file this morning. Over at the Buffalo Beast -- the former print alt-weekly turned online newspaper founded by onetime editor Matt Taibbi, typically best known for its annual list of "The 50 Most Loathsome Americans" -- there appear to be recordings of a phone call between Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and current editor Ian Murphy. Now, why on earth would Scott Walker want to talk on the phone with the editor of an online site in Buffalo? Well, he wouldn't.

    But what if said editor pretended to be David Koch of the famed Koch Brothers? Well, that's a different story altogether, apparently! And so Walker, believing himself to be on the phone with his patron, seems to have had a long conversation about busting Wisconsin's unions.

    Buffalo Beast Publisher Paul Fallon told The Huffington Post that the audio is "absolutely legit." That the call took place as described by the Beast has been confirmed by Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie.

    "Basically what happened was, yesterday morning [Murphy] was watching television about this Wisconsin stuff and he saw a report where he saw Walker say he wasn't going to talk to anybody," Fallon said. "And he said, 'I bet he would talk to somebody if he had enough oomph behind him.'"

    This all apparently went down Tuesday afternoon, hours before Walker made his "fireside chat." It took some doing: Murphy-as-Koch said he had several hoops to jump through before he was granted access to Walker, beginning with a receptionist, leading to the governor's executive assistant, and finally ending up with his chief of staff, Keith Gilkes.

    From Murphy's account:

    I politely said hello, not knowing how friendly Gilkes and Koch may be. He was eager to help. "I was really hoping to talk directly to Scott," I said. He said that could be arranged and that I should just leave my number. I explained to Gilkes, "My goddamn maid, Maria, put my phone in the washer. I'd have her deported, but she works for next to nothing." Gilkes found this amusing. "I'm calling from the VOID--with the VOID, or whatever it's called. You know, the Snype!"
    "Gotcha," Gilkes said. "Let me check the schedule here...OK, there's an opening at 2 o'clock Central Standard Time. Just call this same number and we'll put you through."
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    I tell you what, if Walker really wants to pare down the state budget, he can start by firing all of these people!

    At any rate, yesterday afternoon, Murphy says he and Walker had their own chat. The other man on the tape dutifully briefs "Koch" on the latest news, telling him that one tactic they are exploring to bring the wayward Senate Democrats back to the state is stopping the direct deposit of their paychecks. "Koch" asks, "Now you're not talking to any of these Democrat bastards, are you?" The other man replies that there is one, state Sen. Tim Cullen, who might be approachable, though he cautions, "He's pretty reasonable, but he's not one of us."

    [For a longer collection of transcripted highlights of this call, click here.]


    The conversation continues: the other man talks about his plans to threaten workers with layoffs, about sowing divisions between the public sector and private sector unions, and the potential for their union busting efforts to spread to other states. "This is our moment," he tells Murphy when Murphy describes him as "the first domino."
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