Hey BP again

[The Ninja]

we both have very different views on the world, so I'll leave it be. This is about BP and Nuclear weapons. I cant fight your views anymore than you can mine.

One of yours being very logical and quite arguably objective; viewing the world and viewing the US as an influencing force. The other has an irrational and biased view; being unwilling to concede or accept facts that don't align with said biases. I'll let everyone else figure out which is which.

[blaknoize]

Aint hindsight grand. I bet we can find many thousands of bad decisions by presidents when we use it. Look at the facts AT THAT TIME. Saddam was using gas on the kurds. He was threatening to use them on Americans and on Israel.

Yes, we can all find thousands of bad decisions a President made, we can also find bad decisions we've all made in life, but this is a very bad decision that is glaring in the faces of many, not just in America. AT THAT TIME he was gasing people (maybe) but a WMD is kinda more than just a gas bomb, more like a Weapon of Mass Destruction, along the lines of... say Nuclear or highly powered explosive, which, to this day has not and will not ever be found. Or at least if found, it wouldnt be in a ready state.

And we have done that. The biggest obstacle we had their was foreign fighters, not Iraqis. You can also add the fact that Iran was supplying them with weapons and intel the entire time.

We have done what? Created them into a powerful war-machine in their own right? Their lives we're 100times more peaceful before we stepped into to "help em out a bit."

And that means they were absolutely no threat to us right? Germany has never attacked the US either so I guess you think we should have stayed out of Europe during the '40's.

Germany was obviously en route to attacking America and everyone else in the world, dont try to compare 2 different classes of wars in this discussion. No one had any issue with that skirmish we had with them because it was for a reason that was real not made up.

Iran, Iraq and Asscrackistan are/were terrorist countries. There is absolutely no way to deny that.

They may have been, to each other. But Iraq had no track record at all with picking fights in the West. The West meaning, namely, America. We arent talking about Iran and Afganistan clearly started it, no way to deny any of that.

Got any proof of this Mr. Jones?

Proof of what, Oil in Iraq? Um, we're there pulling it out of the ground and truckers balling out at 8-10k a month driving their trucks to and from for the oil to be loaded and shipped to America. Do I really have to go online and show u or something? Your not literate.

Healthcare, cap and trade, emissions, How about no lobbiests?

Healthcare is a grand idea in my mind. Me being a person whom has never been able to afford it or receive terrible service, it would help my health out greatly. I for one would like it and I happen to work with a Canadian who does not praise the system Canada has, but admits if it wasnt for it, some of his healthcare needs would have never been affordable.

Cap and trade, I have no knowledge of and cannot back myself up on it. Emissions... like auto-emissions? What are u retarded? Even if... and I stress if... we arent at fault for warming our planet, why pollute more when we can advance our way of life and still pull high HP #'s and have fun? I like the fact that it will force people to change from their wasteful ways than not. Cuz... eventually (whether accidentally or other) it will catch up to us. Rather be proactive than reactive and blame it on the Earth for deciding to kill us all, or GOD, or the next 2 Presidents for not thinking about our planet as a whole.

Bin Laden was completely off the radar in Asscrackistan and at the same time Saddam was acting up.

Bin Laden was also more of an issue than Saddam. Saddam wasnt even mentioned till Bin Laden's name was plastered all over the storyboards. Saddam was old and was minding his own damn business till we just decided to finally punish him for his wrongs after like 40yrs of him also sitting pretty in his house.

Obama is at fault for compounding all of the issues we have. He hasnt attempted to do anything but grow the govt into every aspect of business and our personal lives. And again, he hasnt cleared anything up.

He probably wont (and u can say something like oh I said "he probably wont") and add as many other words u want. But yea, Obama might not get anything done, but why put him down before he can even accomplish anything? We're VERY good at stopping someone from progression, but never root for them to do better. Thats really kinda backwards.

If anyone is going crazy with the credit card it is Obama. Bush's largest deficit was about 420B, Obama's first budget weighs in at around 1.4T in deficit spending. I dont count 08-09 budget because no one president is responsible for it. 4x the deficit in a single year. At this pace by the time Obama is out of office we will have added more in 4 years of Obaam than 8 years of Bush. Want to re-examine your comments about who is playing loose with your money?

Sure is, but now its just wasted money because the man cant use his logic to make it out of the large debt. Using debt in the wrong way will of course destroy an economy, but u also cannot start most businesses without capital. He used capital (and loads of it) to try and stablize the country (which worked for a moment) then everyone paid as much attention as possible to the figures and stopped it, blamed it and now... the time has passed for that debt to be used properly and everyone's now up in fukin arms over it and the debt is no longer capital debt its relative debt (like going to college and dropping out.)

BTW, where did Bush cheat? I believe the cheater was Clinton.

How did this roll to Clinton? The cheater was Bush, Florida's Governer just so happen to be Bush's brother (or half-brother) Jeb Bush. It was also declared by Bush that he would win Florida "you can write it down..." and every other network displayed the actual winner (twice actually in after the recounts completed) on, again, every network but Fox. We all recall it but you.

Actually it was Bush. In this country we have a thing called the electoral college. I dont like the way it is configured, but oh well.

Actually it was not Bush, it was someone other than Bush as in, not Bush.

We got hit because a sect of a religion thinks all americans should be dead.

This is due to us fighting everyone for everything we want. Not all countries are blind and their Oil partners, business partners, food stuffs partners and the like are humming along, growing and working out problems with each other, while we swing our large penis in everyone's face, trying to beat the shit out of everyone.

The plan for after the war phase was truely pathetic. The blame for that starts with the Joint Chiefs and ends with the President.

The plan, I paid no attention to because we were still at war. The blame starts with Bin Laden, then the Joint Chiefs and President blame others to continue on.

If you had ever been to asscrackistan you would know why. We could have used 10 divisions and we would have never found him with anything but pure luck.

And if we finally found him, we found him. We're trying to own a whole country anyway, may as well own the country that murdered thousands instead of blaming thousands so we can murder the country. Since we know Dick Cheney stated "...the war will not end without their complete and utter destruction" and the sad thing is... he will be right. But, they wont let us just walts in there and take it.

If you would like some facts though, you might want to stay off the highly liberal stations. Iraqi's are killing their own civilians. It was mainly foreign fighters armed and equipped by Iran that was targeting Americans.

Either because they are extremely close to Iraq and can just feel they are next, which they are, we just havent found a large enough reason to fight them yet. Halliburton will arrive, check out the prospective reserves, piss of Israel and blame it on the fact that they are in a Holy War (which clearly is biblical and beyond our needs to step into) and we'll be forced, yet again, to protect Israel because they'll request assistance in reclaiming land that isnt rightfully or even theoritcally theirs.

You really go believe anything John Kerry, Chris Mathews and the rest of the hardcore liberals say dont you? You even use the same key words they do. You really should take a look at the real world.

I deleted the rest of that last comment as it could be true and could not, its a mood point based on the fact that you live here and not there. Chris Mathews is pretty cool, like Keith Oblerman (however u spell it) but they arent all I listen/watch and pay attention to. The real world is what we all live in, i dont have to "look" very hard or listen to others. I want it to be better for my children and my future and our future. Not just a couple of people up top. But change is what we wanted, we had or still have a chance for that change to take effect. But now everyone's all scared and blaming each other again like middle-schoolers. We did this (or Bush, or Bin Laden or Saddam or the nicknamed insurgents) but somebody did it. May as well take it and fix it instead of blaming everyone else all the time.

Obama came in with a mission for his kids as well, but now, its back to basics, we ruined the "Chance of Change" because we're all scared to change, so... our country may not change, but I hope we have things that force us to change. Other than waiting for someone to scare us into change and using fear to get results.

[blaknoize]

^Well that didnt come out right... how to separate quotes...

EDIT: FUK YEA ALL CAPS

[preferredduck]

Obama can plug the pipe.


Stern warnings and harsh criticism can perform miracles, or so I hear.

no he is so full of crap if they stuff him in there the leak will stop. and if we really want a back-up plan shove explosives up his but and before they detonate i would love to see him yell "dynomite" before they blow him up!!!! plan b is bill and hillary clinton, those big macs should really do the trick and even work as fish food too.

[BanginJimmy]

Yes, we can all find thousands of bad decisions a President made, we can also find bad decisions we've all made in life, but this is a very bad decision that is glaring in the faces of many, not just in America. AT THAT TIME he was gasing people (maybe) but a WMD is kinda more than just a gas bomb, more like a Weapon of Mass Destruction, along the lines of... say Nuclear or highly powered explosive, which, to this day has not and will not ever be found. Or at least if found, it wouldnt be in a ready state.

Gas is a WMD and there is no way to deny he wasnt. it is very well documented.

Germany was obviously en route to attacking America and everyone else in the world, dont try to compare 2 different classes of wars in this discussion. No one had any issue with that skirmish we had with them because it was for a reason that was real not made up.

Germany had plans to stay as far away from America as possible. Hitler remembered his days in the trenches during WWI and was afraid of America. He knew our population, industrial base, and the fact we were so far from Europe made us impossible for him to defeat. Hitler was highly pissed at the Japs for attacking us and drawing us into the war.

They may have been, to each other. But Iraq had no track record at all with picking fights in the West. The West meaning, namely, America. We arent talking about Iran and Afganistan clearly started it, no way to deny any of that.

Wait a minute. You expect me to take your reasoning with Germany at face value, then come back with this? If anything, Iraq was more of a threat to the US than Germany ever was.

Healthcare is a grand idea in my mind. Me being a person whom has never been able to afford it or receive terrible service, it would help my health out greatly. I for one would like it and I happen to work with a Canadian who does not praise the system Canada has, but admits if it wasnt for it, some of his healthcare needs would have never been affordable.

In other wards you think you have a right to a portion of my money for your personal gain while I receive, at best, nothing in return. More likely I end up with higher medical costs and lesser care.

Cap and trade, I have no knowledge of and cannot back myself up on it. Emissions... like auto-emissions? What are u retarded? Even if... and I stress if... we arent at fault for warming our planet, why pollute more when we can advance our way of life and still pull high HP #'s and have fun? I like the fact that it will force people to change from their wasteful ways than not. Cuz... eventually (whether accidentally or other) it will catch up to us. Rather be proactive than reactive and blame it on the Earth for deciding to kill us all, or GOD, or the next 2 Presidents for not thinking about our planet as a whole.

Cap and trade is basicly an additional tax on everyone. Companies that create carbon based emissions will have to purchase an allowance. It will mainly affect energy producing companies and will do nothing but raise prices for consumers.

The emissions standards arent a bad thing in of themselves but they are highly expensive and at the moment unattainable.

We wont even go into the fake science that comes from people with an agenda. Just look at the English researchers that got caught covering up data that didnt fit the hypothesis they wanted to sell.

He probably wont (and u can say something like oh I said "he probably wont") and add as many other words u want. But yea, Obama might not get anything done, but why put him down before he can even accomplish anything? We're VERY good at stopping someone from progression, but never root for them to do better. Thats really kinda backwards.

Were you in Bush's corner while he was in office? No, you werent, so why should I be in the corner of a politician whose agenda goes against pretty much everything I want from govt?

Sure is, but now its just wasted money because the man cant use his logic to make it out of the large debt. Using debt in the wrong way will of course destroy an economy, but u also cannot start most businesses without capital. He used capital (and loads of it) to try and stablize the country (which worked for a moment) then everyone paid as much attention as possible to the figures and stopped it, blamed it and now... the time has passed for that debt to be used properly and everyone's now up in fukin arms over it and the debt is no longer capital debt its relative debt (like going to college and dropping out.)

Common sense would have been to cut taxes, especially on private citizens that actually spend money, not the bottom dwellers that dont pay any taxes anyways. He has also handcuffed any chance of a recovery with his dreams of vastly increased taxes, increased regulation, and increased govt spending.

There is no proof that the stimulus ever did more than create short term work. It created very few long term jobs anywhere but in govt. The timing is exactly what Obama wanted. A little bit to start with to show they were doing something, then the big money when it comes time for him to be elected again.

How did this roll to Clinton? The cheater was Bush, Florida's Governer just so happen to be Bush's brother (or half-brother) Jeb Bush. It was also declared by Bush that he would win Florida "you can write it down..." and every other network displayed the actual winner (twice actually in after the recounts completed) on, again, every network but Fox. We all recall it but you.

Once again. Gore was granted the recount, but only as a statewide recount. Gore said no to that as he only wanted heavily democratic districts recounted.

This is due to us fighting everyone for everything we want. Not all countries are blind and their Oil partners, business partners, food stuffs partners and the like are humming along, growing and working out problems with each other, while we swing our large penis in everyone's face, trying to beat the shit out of everyone.

I agree we need to be more isolationist. We should stay out of most countries but we should definitely increase aid and presence with our allies. We should also cut off all foreign aid to countries that do not also benefit us.

Either because they are extremely close to Iraq and can just feel they are next, which they are, we just havent found a large enough reason to fight them yet.

We have plenty of reason to fight them right now because of their repeated acts of war against us and their repeated violations of UN resolutions.

piss of Israel and blame it on the fact that they are in a Holy War (which clearly is biblical and beyond our needs to step into) and we'll be forced, yet again, to protect Israel because they'll request assistance in reclaiming land that isnt rightfully or even theoritcally theirs.

Israel can take care of themselves as we saw in the the Arab Israeli war of 1948, the 6 Day War, and dozens of smaller conflicts. All of which were started by Arabs. I dont even want to hear about Palestinian lands either. There has never been a country of Palestine and the Israelis would most likely give them a hell of a lot more if those poor, peaceful Palestinians would quit lobbing rockets at israeli cities.

[SPOOLIN]

wow you guys must think they never detonated Nuclear weapons over water already. FYI look up Bikini Atoll lol. They have lit the ocean up SEVERAL SEVERAL times with FULL YIELD nuclear weapons. A weapon powerful enough to seal the leak would be nothing like what you see on TV or the ones that dropped in japan. It would work but they would have to study the Geology first to make sure it wouldn't just be full of fractures and cause a HUGE problem that would ruin the gulf FOREVER. There would not be radiation poisoning lol. I guarantee you they have had a team studying it all this time while they've been doing the whole relief well option and we'll never know. Leave no option unturned.

If they had to do it, i hope they do it where no one would know, except of course the USGS when they pick up a 3.5 Earthquake in the middle of the gulf lol.

[blaknoize]

Freakin full debate, WOOT!

When I get back to the internetz, I'll reply.

[BanginJimmy]

If they had to do it, i hope they do it where no one would know, except of course the USGS when they pick up a 3.5 Earthquake in the middle of the gulf lol.

I'll keep an eye out for the tsunami warnings for Alabama and Mississippi.

[SPOOLIN]

it wouldn't be enough. might make a good surf for the surfers though.