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    Default Interesting Video to watch......

    Its an hour long but watch it. Realize long term, we are royally screwed

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb1n1...layer_embedded
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    saw it already

    The big problem is that most Americans are not willing to give up anything, either when it comes to paying higher taxes or eliminate govt programs

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    Also our govt is owned by corporations and those corporations are not going to allow any corp welfare programs from getting eliminated

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    What really got me was just how bad the national debt is. If they stopped govt spending tomorrow and taxed people 100% we would still run at a deficit because tax revenues wouldn't even cover the interest payments by 2014.

    The 60 trillion in unfunded liabilities! Holy shit. The fact that the govt keeps Fannie and Freddie OFF their balance sheets!

    It looks like they have no other option than to massively print money because at this rate we will never get out of debt
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    I've seen portions of the movie before but I dont have time to sit and watch the whole thing. I've said in another thread, and told we wouldnt have to go that far, that in order to get spending under control it will require an absolute gutting of spending programs.

    Medicaid needs to be eliminated completely along with all other welfare programs.
    Foreign aid programs need to be completely eliminated.
    Military spending needs to be cut by 30%.
    Taxes need to be raised on everyone, even the half of the country that doesnt pay any now.


    Now, do you know of any politicians that would get elected if they tried to run on that platform?

    I'm going to copy and paste an article about the sovereign debt crisis that is hitting the developed world right now. I thought it was quite interesting and also quite bleak.

    Quote Originally Posted by Article
    The second debt storm hits nations

    By Alistair Barr
    May 14, 2010 15:22:00 (ET)

    SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- The financial crisis never really went away.

    The debt mountain that brought down some of the world's biggest banks and dragged the international financial system to the brink of disaster has simply shifted to governments. Now it's threatening countries around the globe -- and, if left unchecked, could rip the very fabric of Europe's economic system and wreck economic recoveries in the U.S., China and Latin America.

    The impact on markets has been severe. The euro has slumped more than 12% against the dollar since the sovereign-debt crisis flared in southern Europe. Gold has marched to new highs as investors seek a safe haven and, perhaps most alarming, it is now more expensive to buy insurance against national default than it is to insure against corporate failure.

    "The sovereign-debt crisis spun out of control in the past week, and we see no easy way to resolve it," said Madeline Schnapp, director of macroeconomic research at TrimTabs Investment Research.

    Some investors and analysts are increasingly concerned that governments may be no more capable of repaying their debts than the banks and insurance companies they saved. And, they warn, if a major country comes close to default, it could trigger a financial meltdown that would eclipse the panic that followed the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers in 2008.

    The world has seen sovereign debt crises before. Latin America, Africa and Asia have all experienced upheavals sparked by excessive debt. These crises were all accompanied by stunted economic growth, inflation and weak stock market returns, which make it even harder to pay off debts. As investors and government officials ponder the current state of affairs, they see ominous signs that the developed world may be facing a similarly bleak future.

    "The problem of the western world is that we have too much debt," said Daniel Arbess, who manages the Xerion investment strategy at Perella Weinberg Partners. "Rather than reducing our debt, we've been moving it from one balance sheet to another."

    "All we're doing is shifting chairs on the deck of the Titanic," he added.

    Some governments have started to respond to market pressure, with the U.K. pledging billions of pounds in spending cuts this week. Spain and Portugal also unveiled austerity measures. But the problem is so big that investors remain wary.

    Stock markets plunged and credit markets shuddered last week on concern Greece and other indebted European countries like Portugal and Spain might default.

    "What's happened on a corporate level is now happening on a national level. The first nation to experience this is Greece, but other nations will, too," Schnapp said.

    To stop Greece's debt troubles turning into a run on the euro and a global stock market rout, the European Union unveiled an unprecedented package of almost $1 trillion in emergency loans, stabilization funds and International Monetary Fund support on Sunday.

    In the days that followed, the European Central Bank bought the government debt of Greece and other countries on the periphery of the region's single-currency zone, such as Portugal, Spain, Italy and Ireland, investors said. Such a drastic step has been shunned by the ECB until now.

    "Temporarily the crisis in terms of liquidity has been averted, but the underlying problem hasn't gone away," Schnapp added. "Giant debt and expenditures by governments are still there."

    TrimTabs cut its recommendation on U.S. equities to neutral from fully bullish on Sunday, in the wake of the European bailout.

    The sovereign crisis has been brewing for months.

    For much of the financial crisis, investors worried about financial institutions defaulting, rather than sovereign nations. But that pattern has been upended.

    In early February, the cost of insuring against a sovereign default in Western Europe exceeded the price of similar protection against default by North American investment-grade companies. That was the first time this had happened, according to data compiled by Markit from the credit derivatives market.

    The move "symbolizes how credit risk has been transformed from corporate to sovereign risk, as the solution to the financial and economic crisis was government intervention," Hans Mikkelsen, credit strategist at Bank of America Merrill Lynch, wrote in a note to investors at the time.

    Since then, the cost of insuring against sovereign default in Western Europe has climbed further, hitting a record of 169 basis points on May 7.

    The European bailout pushed that down to 120 basis points on Tuesday. But that's still more expensive than default protection on North American corporate debt which cost 100 basis points on Tuesday. (In the credit derivatives market, 100 basis points means it costs $100,000 a year to buy default protection on $10 million of debt for five years).

    While much of the concern has focused on Western Europe, unsustainable government debt is a global problem. And it is developed world governments that are accumulating the biggest debts, not emerging market countries -- a big change from previous sovereign crises.

    "Looking beyond the immediate crisis in Europe, I am particularly worried about the next stage involving the U.S., the U.K. and Japan," Xerion's Arbess said.

    Debt to GDP ratios in the world's advanced economies will top 100% in 2014, 35 percentage points higher than where they stood before the financial crisis, the IMF estimated last month.

    Three percentage points of this increase came from government bailouts of financial institutions, while 3.5 percentage points was from fiscal stimulus. Another four percentage points has been driven by higher interest on government debt and 9 points came from revenue lost from the global recession, according to the IMF.

    "Public finances in the majority of advanced industrial countries are in a worse state today than at any time since the industrial revolution, except for wartime episodes and their immediate aftermath," Willem Buiter, chief economist at Citigroup Inc. (C, Trade ) and former member of the Bank of England's Monetary Policy Committee, wrote in a recent note on sovereign risk.

    Even though the current epicenter of the crisis is focused on the euro zone, the overall fiscal position of the single currency area is stronger than that of the U.S., the U.K. and Japan, he noted.

    "Unless there is a radical change of course by those in charge of fiscal policy in the U.S., Japan and the U.K., these countries' sovereigns too will, sooner (in the case of the U.K.) or later (in the case of Japan and the U.S.) be at risk of being tested by the markets," Buiter said.

    Ultimately, these countries face the risk of being "denied access to new and roll-over funding, that is, of being faced with a 'sudden stop,'" he warned.

    Once government debt levels approach 100% of GDP, things can get tricky.

    That's because a lot of a country's income from taxes and other sources has to be spent on interest payments.

    John Brynjolfsson, chief investment officer at global macro hedge fund firm Armored Wolf LLC, illustrated the point with a simple example. With debt at 100% of GDP, interest rates at 3% and real economic growth of 3%, all the extra income collected by a country would be used to pay interest on its debt.

    If a lot of government debt is owned by foreigners, like the U.S., the money leaves the country rather than being invested in more productive ways. This dents economic growth.

    A study published this year by economists Carmen Reinhart and Ken Rogoff found that, over the past two centuries, government debt in excess of 90% of GDP produced economic growth of 1.7% a year on average. That was less than half the growth rate of countries with debt below 30% of GDP.

    "Most lenders realize that once growth disappears, there's little reason to lend more," Brynjolfsson said. "That's because new lending is just going towards paying off old debt, not investment in productive activities."

    The U.S. government has spent more than $1 trillion bailing out financial institutions like American International Group (AIG, Trade ) and rolling out fiscal stimulus programs to bolster the flagging economy.

    In 2009, the government took in about $2.1 trillion in taxes and other revenue and spent more than $3 trillion, according to TrimTabs' Schnapp. The gap, or deficit, is made up by borrowing more money through sales of Treasury bonds and notes.

    In coming years, U.S. government debt will exceed 100% of GDP, according to economists at Exane BNP Paribas and elsewhere.

    In the next 20 years, if fiscal policies aren't changed, U.S. debt to GDP will exceed 150%, putting the country in the same league as Greece and Portugal, according to recent research led by Stephen Cecchetti, head of the Monetary and Economic Department at the Bank for International Settlements in Switzerland.

    And the official data don't tell the whole story, Buiter says.

    Fannie Mae (FNM, Trade ) and Freddie Mac (FRE, Trade ) have been the responsibility of the U.S. government since the mortgage giants were placed into conservatorship by the Federal Housing Finance Agency during the financial crisis in 2008, he noted.

    Fannie and Freddie's liabilities at the end of last year's third quarter were almost $1.8 trillion, according to Buiter. This equals 13% of U.S. GDP and should be included in measurements of the country's general government debt, he added.

    The U.K. government committed 850 billion pounds ($1.25 trillion) to bailing out banks including Royal Bank of Scotland and Lloyds Banking Group and providing guarantees and insurance to the sector, according to the country's National Audit Office.

    The U.K.'s debt to GDP ratio will soon reach 100% and could top 200% in the next two decades if fiscal policies aren't changed, according to Cecchetti's research.

    The country's new coalition government, which came to power this week, called for 6 billion pounds in spending cuts starting this fiscal year. Bank of England Governor Mervyn King applauded the plan.

    "We are still halfway through the world's worst financial crisis ever," King warned. It's "imperative that our own fiscal problems are dealt with sooner rather than later."

    Japan's government debt to GDP, at over 200%, already dwarfs the U.S. and the U.K., a hangover from its own financial crisis at the end of the 1980s.

    "The perfect example of sovereign risk that is contained today but could be dramatic in the future is Japan," Pierre-Olivier Beffy, chief economist at Exane BNP Paribas, wrote in a recent note to investors.

    Such high debt levels aren't a problem now because Japanese people save so much and invest a lot of that money in the country's bonds. Financial institutions in the country are also big buyers.

    With more than 90% of all Japanese government debt purchased domestically, interest payments get funneled back into the country, helping to support economic growth.

    However, Japan's population is getting a lot older. At some point, savers may stop buying government bonds and start spending their money in retirement. If that happens, the government may be forced to pay higher interest rates when it borrows.

    Rates on 10-year Japanese government bonds are below 1.4%. So, despite huge debt, interest payments aren't too cumbersome. But if rates climb, that would change with painful consequences.

    "Japan, as an economy, has never admitted its mistakes. Twenty years ago they transferred the bad private assets to the public balance sheet, while nominal GDP has gone nowhere for 20 years," Kyle Bass, managing partner at global macro hedge fund firm Hayman Capital, said during an April industry roundtable run by Opalesque Ltd.

    "When your biggest holders turn into sellers overnight, what do you do? You have to finance yourself at G7 rates," he added. "If they borrow where Germany borrows at a bit over 3%, they are out of business."

    Bass is betting on higher Japanese interest rates, similar to positions that other hedge fund firms including David Einhorn's Greenlight Capital and John Paulson's Paulson & Co. have put on.

    How will all this debt be repaid? Brynjolfsson discusses the three main alternatives.

    Developed nations could generate strong productivity gains, while rising exports from their pharmaceutical, technology and financial-services industries could generate better-than-expected income. Combined with "frugality, sacrifice and good fortune," there could be enough money to repay debts, he explained. This may include lower government spending and higher taxes.

    Countries could also default, either because they can't pay or won't, Brynjolfsson said. In this scenario, lenders would likely agree to a reduction, or haircut, on the amount of money they're owed -- either voluntarily or after courts impose a settlement.

    A third outcome may be inflation, Brynjolfsson said. Sovereign debts would be honored but would be repaid in currency that's worth a lot less than when the debt was sold.

    "The sovereign debt problems encountered by most advanced industrial countries are the logical final chapter of a classic 'pass the baby' (aka 'hot potato') game of excessive sectoral debt or leverage," Buiter said.

    "First excessively indebted households passed part of their debt back to their creditors - the banks. Then the banks, excessively leveraged and at risk of default, passed part of their debt to the sovereign," he explained. "Finally, the now overly indebted sovereign is passing the debt back to the households, through higher taxes, lower public spending, the risk of default or the threat of monetization and inflation."

    Brynjolfsson and other investors are in the inflation camp.

    One tell-tale sign of potential inflation is that the U.S. Treasury Department is trying to extend the average maturity of its debt from about 48 months to roughly 84 months, Brynjolfsson said.

    "That makes me a little uncomfortable and suspicious," he added.

    With lots of short term debt, it's hard to inflate the debt away. That's because interest rates should rise quickly to adjust for higher inflation expectations and investors will charge a higher rate when it comes time to refinance the bonds.

    But the longer the maturity of government debt, the easier it is for inflation to kick in before bonds need to be refinanced, Brynjolfsson explained.

    Berkshire Hathaway (BRKA, Trade )(BRKB, Trade ) Chairman Warren Buffett said this month that he's bearish about the ability of all currencies to hold their value over time because of massive deficits being run up by governments in the wake of the financial crisis.

    The U.S. will never default on its debt because the dollar is the world's reserve currency. But the country may print more dollars to repay with devalued currency, he suggested.

    The ECB's actions this week added to inflation concerns. The bank has been in the market buying the government debt of Greece and other indebted European countries, according to Brynjolfsson.

    Some investors worry this amounts to so-called quantitative easing that could devalue the euro and produce inflation. The ECB says it plans to neutralize the effects of government bond purchases by selling other assets, limiting growth of the money supply.

    Xerion's Arbess sees "a round of devaluations of a lot of different currencies."

    "That will be accompanied by inflation in the price of non-renewable assets like gold, other precious metals and industrial commodities," he said. "People start to hold on to things that they think will retain value."

    Gold hit a record Wednesday.

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    The authors comments on that video lead to a really shitty website:

    http://inflation.us/

    Sometimes if you click on their links you get a popup that makes it seem like your computer is under some sort of virus attack. Really classy. None of their articles have an authors name listed. The people who are writing that crap don't even want their names associated with it. Notice also how all the stocks they recommend under the "stocks" tab are mining or Gold/Silver related. I am thinking that this is all the work of some shitty stockbroker who is trying to make money selling bogus stocks.

    A quick google of "National Inflation Association" leads straight to InfoWars and Alex Jones.

    Keep drinking his koolaid, you'll eventually turn blue from all the colloidal silver in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total_Blender View Post
    The authors comments on that video lead to a really shitty website:

    http://inflation.us/

    Sometimes if you click on their links you get a popup that makes it seem like your computer is under some sort of virus attack. Really classy. None of their articles have an authors name listed. The people who are writing that crap don't even want their names associated with it. Notice also how all the stocks they recommend under the "stocks" tab are mining or Gold/Silver related. I am thinking that this is all the work of some shitty stockbroker who is trying to make money selling bogus stocks.

    A quick google of "National Inflation Association" leads straight to InfoWars and Alex Jones.

    Keep drinking his koolaid, you'll eventually turn blue from all the colloidal silver in it.
    it doesnt take a genius to do simple math. The Federal Budget is online go look at it. The National Debt Clock is online as well.

    Hell even if you use OBAMAs figures, you can see where this is all heading.
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    Blender, read the article I posted up. That should be alarming enough for you and I dont think you can discount the credibility of Marketwatch and their writing.

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    Looks like we all pretty much agree the rising debt is a problem but does anyone have any politically viable solutions or do we all just wait for shit to go down hill?

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    Dems wont allow any cuts to entitlements because those that receive those entitlements are a vast majority of their voting base. GOP only seem to be fiscally conservative after they get in trouble for not being fiscally conservative. So no, both parties are going to spend until we end up with massive inflation and a deep recession, or more likely a true depression.

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    Left would like to raise taxes, right wants to cut programs. Neither hold their own feet to the fire on both subjects. Republicans still spend and there seems to be a lack of fiscal accountability on the left side Eventually someone is going to have to take a stand that NOBODY likes but is a viable solution. Discipline on any level is not a simple process and usually is not popular, but it is necessary. Ultimately the problem is the politicians of today put off the accountability till after their term is up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony View Post
    Left would like to raise taxes, right wants to cut programs. Neither hold their own feet to the fire on both subjects. Republicans still spend and there seems to be a lack of fiscal accountability on the left side Eventually someone is going to have to take a stand that NOBODY likes but is a viable solution. Discipline on any level is not a simple process and usually is not popular, but it is necessary. Ultimately the problem is the politicians of today put off the accountability till after their term is up.

    So very true in all regards.

    Discipline will only happen if congress is forced to do with a combination of the veto and the veto override. Neither of those will happen with a hopelessly party divided congress and executive. I dont remember who said it and I dont feel like looking right now, but there is a politician that has already come out to say that entitlements need to be gutted or the US will look like Greece by the end of the decade, if not sooner.


    Is there any way a constitutional amendment can be started outside the beltway? Like many states have a requirement for a balanced budget other than emergency services, that idea needs to be incorporated in Washington also. The way I see it, the only exception needs to be worded the same way the peace time draft ban was worded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy View Post
    I've seen portions of the movie before but I dont have time to sit and watch the whole thing. I've said in another thread, and told we wouldnt have to go that far, that in order to get spending under control it will require an absolute gutting of spending programs.

    Medicaid needs to be eliminated completely along with all other welfare programs.
    Foreign aid programs need to be completely eliminated.
    Military spending needs to be cut by 30%.
    Taxes need to be raised on everyone, even the half of the country that doesnt pay any now.


    Now, do you know of any politicians that would get elected if they tried to run on that platform?
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    Quote Originally Posted by F8d2Blk View Post
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    Even Ron Paul didnt go that far. Under Obama's proposed budget, only about half of all federal spending is paid for, the rest is borrowed from our enemies. What I laid out doesnt even account for that deficit, never mind actually paying any of the debt down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total_Blender View Post
    The authors comments on that video lead to a really shitty website:

    http://inflation.us/

    Sometimes if you click on their links you get a popup that makes it seem like your computer is under some sort of virus attack. Really classy. None of their articles have an authors name listed. The people who are writing that crap don't even want their names associated with it. Notice also how all the stocks they recommend under the "stocks" tab are mining or Gold/Silver related. I am thinking that this is all the work of some shitty stockbroker who is trying to make money selling bogus stocks.

    A quick google of "National Inflation Association" leads straight to InfoWars and Alex Jones.

    Keep drinking his koolaid, you'll eventually turn blue from all the colloidal silver in it.
    your virus is the work of the gov't not the website. lol!!! it's very simple math to see it and it doesn't take a phd in BS like obama has to know it. when you are flat broke from this final pull of wealth i will use my last bit of gas to find you and tell you i told you so, then i'll steal yours to get home!!! lolz man.

    And to think all you can insult is my honda, maybe you don't know what is under the tarp in the garage. i have also never heard/seen/ video etc about what you drive. ohh a mini van, with a V8, it's still an elephant!!! maybe i run boost, maybe noe, maybe both but i won't tell you socialism lips.
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    Ohh, I'm shaking in my boots from your threats. I don't think your awesome high-performance Honda Civic would even run on my fuel though, good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total_Blender View Post
    Ohh, I'm shaking in my boots from your threats. I don't think your awesome high-performance Honda Civic would even run on my fuel though, good luck with that.
    you are a neg repping little wus and if someone doesn't agree with socailism they are your enemy. i think it's ban time for you. better yet go through re education camp 3 more times until your fuzzy little head explodes. And to cann me a "DOUCHE" where nobody can see it is childlike.
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    Posting info about your vehicles on IA is a good way to get your shit broken into and stolen. I've seen that happen to enough of my friends to know better, lol.

    Shit, look at my reps... almost all red lol. Send more because I really couldn't care less.

    Ban me from this forum, its no big whoop. I'm just here for the Mad-Tyte-JDM-HellaFlush-Ricer lols and I don't need to sign in for those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total_Blender View Post
    Posting info about your vehicles on IA is a good way to get your shit broken into and stolen. I've seen that happen to enough of my friends to know better, lol.

    Shit, look at my reps... almost all red lol. Send more because I really couldn't care less.

    Ban me from this forum, its no big whoop. I'm just here for the Mad-Tyte-JDM-HellaFlush-Ricer lols and I don't need to sign in for those.

    hmm i'm gonna post this to the stolen threads link since your an expert. is my tah number showing. . . no, what about my hometown. . . nope, so keep trying because you just blew off the last leg you had to stand o. have a nice life and this time press the poswer button on the blender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck View Post
    hmm i'm gonna post this to the stolen threads link since your an expert. is my tah number showing. . . no, what about my hometown.
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    i have also never heard/seen/ video etc about what you drive. ohh a mini van, with a V8, it's still an elephant!!!
    I was responding to you talking about how you haven't seen any info about MY vehicle on here. I choose not to put out too much info on it because of others on this board who are theives and vandals. I will tell you that its not a Honda with a black hood and a wing. Thats all I'm saying

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    I dont believe debt is ever suppose to be eliminated in this world we're created for ourselves. We each rely on someone elses mistakes to create "income" for ourselves. Debt doesnt actually account for anything or matter in reality. Its just a figure we use to judge everyone else against.

    Debt has to exist however, for revenue to be made, so it seems. I pay debt no attention.

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    I've seen portions of the movie before but I dont have time to sit and watch the whole thing. I've said in another thread, and told we wouldnt have to go that far, that in order to get spending under control it will require an absolute gutting of spending programs.

    Medicaid needs to be eliminated completely along with all other welfare programs.
    Foreign aid programs need to be completely eliminated.
    Military spending needs to be cut by 30%.
    Taxes need to be raised on everyone, even the half of the country that doesnt pay any now.

    Now, do you know of any politicians that would get elected if they tried to run on that platform?
    1. I agree with the elimination some welfare programs, but, others I would suggest a timetable of usage.

    2. Foreign aid consists of 7/10 of 1% or 0.7% of the budget, that doesn't hurt as much you think. Info courtesy of Department of Revenue, Treasury and a whole host of Gov't and Academic Organizations.

    3. Cut military spending, not gonna happen.

    4. Raise taxes, how about eliminate the Federal Tax and IRS and transition to some the FairTax Provisions.

    If you want another way to fix the budget, in addition to what you posted, how about eliminating government subsides which guarantee prices on products and let the market decide. How about getting rid of GMOs in the usage of agricultural to make American agricultural products competitive in the global market place. There are a whole host of areas within the budget that need to eliminated and/or gutted, but while it happen, probably not because their exists not politician with the "political cajones" to say it.

    As far as a politician running on a platform such those areas to fix the budget which you have proposed, that won't happen because one of the fundamental problems with government is the fact we have politicians. You have individuals turning a public servant job into a career politician. What if you put term limits on Congress similar to that of the President? I can guarantee you that the political world would be completely different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bafbrian View Post
    2. Foreign aid consists of 7/10 of 1% or 0.7% of the budget, that doesn't hurt as much you think. Info courtesy of Department of Revenue, Treasury and a whole host of Gov't and Academic Organizations.
    We are in complete agreement except here. .7% of a $3T budget is still $21B that could be better used elsewhere. Combine that with another couple hundred billion in savings from other programs and you are talking about a real difference.

    Military spending could easily be cut by 5%+ just in the acquisitions system. It desperately needs to be simplified and streamlined and it can easily be done by eliminating a couple layers of useless bureaucracy.

    You are right about welfare. There are some good programs but they HAVE to be reformed in a way that encourages and helps people to get off them. The current system rewards people for staying on them.

    As you might be able to figure out from my sig, I am definitely in favor of the fairtax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy View Post
    We are in complete agreement except here. .7% of a $3T budget is still $21B that could be better used elsewhere. Combine that with another couple hundred billion in savings from other programs and you are talking about a real difference.

    Military spending could easily be cut by 5%+ just in the acquisitions system. It desperately needs to be simplified and streamlined and it can easily be done by eliminating a couple layers of useless bureaucracy.

    You are right about welfare. There are some good programs but they HAVE to be reformed in a way that encourages and helps people to get off them. The current system rewards people for staying on them.

    As you might be able to figure out from my sig, I am definitely in favor of the fairtax.
    but if we cut our military budget then where would all the cool weapons come from. lol i also think if taxpayers spend for that we should be able to see where every penny goes, i'm sure there is a room full of files they would hate the public to see cuz at that point they would be screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck View Post
    but if we cut our military budget then where would all the cool weapons come from.

    You need to improve your reading comprehension. There is massive waste and corruption in the acquisitions process for new anything in the military. By removing the bureaucracy from the process that corruption and the very expensive, and constant, changes could be eliminated.

    Simple example. Military wants to buy a new airplane. They decide on an electronics package for it and sign the contracts. 3 months later, after the aircraft manufacturer has already designed the cockpit and avionics rack, a different manufacturer for a radar comes in and makes a subtle offer of a job to a rep in favor of this new radar package. The rep is convinced and sends the request for the new radar through to get approved, which it does. Now the aircraft manufacturer has to go back to the beginning of the design for the cockpit avionics and the bay they will sit in. This costs massive amounts of money.

    These types of things happen dozens or even hundreds of times through out the contracting process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy View Post
    You need to improve your reading comprehension. There is massive waste and corruption in the acquisitions process for new anything in the military. By removing the bureaucracy from the process that corruption and the very expensive, and constant, changes could be eliminated.

    Simple example. Military wants to buy a new airplane. They decide on an electronics package for it and sign the contracts. 3 months later, after the aircraft manufacturer has already designed the cockpit and avionics rack, a different manufacturer for a radar comes in and makes a subtle offer of a job to a rep in favor of this new radar package. The rep is convinced and sends the request for the new radar through to get approved, which it does. Now the aircraft manufacturer has to go back to the beginning of the design for the cockpit avionics and the bay they will sit in. This costs massive amounts of money.

    These types of things happen dozens or even hundreds of times through out the contracting process.
    i was kind of making a joke there. my dad is retired navy, E-9 master chief, he also worked for the navy school in ahtens until recently when they decided to move to newport rhode island, trust me i know about wasteful spending and how it has gotten worse. these contractors for example the helicopters they were going to order for the president cost like 10 mil+, i can't remember the figure but they were pricey and we contracted it to the UK, WTF they could have been made here cheaper and i think they canned it b/c so many people caught it. there is so much black hole money in the DOD alone it's not even funny. trust me my dad has issued complaints on things he found that could have saved a ton of $ and he still keeps going up the chain of command until someone responds, which if you prick them long enough they listen.
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