We are officially screwed

[StreetHazard]

You're a fucking retard aren't you? This isn't capitalism, this is Socialism in a capitalistic economy. Thats part of the issue.

HAHA!

We agree, still capitalism as far as I can see financially. I do enjoy your resorts to name calling though, keep it up if it makes you feel better. But I also do not fear this bogeyman called "socialism" however you choose to define it.

The word "socialist" has been so thoroughly trashed by american conservatives that it has become a permanent stigma in politics to support conservative views. But it is also why the Democratic Party remains the only viable foundation for social reform, simply because it is the only party capable of gaining power right now, and the reason why conservatives are so scared. I personally think it is time for the majority of people to seriously start thinking about these social or societal alternatives with an open mind.

Another thing to note is "real" socialists who are happy that Barack Obama has been elected president need to recognize that, while yes, electing a black man to the presidency is an awesome progressive victory, they cannot expect the victory to extend an inch past that, and also to the scared shitless, fearful conservatives. Obama is fiercely committed to the capitalist system.

[Bajjani]

HAHA!

We agree, still capitalism as far as I can see financially. I do enjoy your resorts to name calling though, keep it up if it makes you feel better. But I also do not fear this bogeyman called "socialism" however you choose to define it.

The word "socialist" has been so thoroughly trashed by american conservatives that it has become a permanent stigma in politics to support conservative views. But it is also why the Democratic Party remains the only viable foundation for social reform, simply because it is the only party capable of gaining power right now, and the reason why conservatives are so scared. I personally think it is time for the majority of people to seriously start thinking about these social or societal alternatives with an open mind.

Another thing to note is "real" socialists who are happy that Barack Obama has been elected president need to recognize that, while yes, electing a black man to the presidency is an awesome progressive victory, they cannot expect the victory to extend an inch past that, and also to the scared shitless, fearful conservatives. Obama is fiercely committed to the capitalist system.

I'm not responding to much today cause I have a ton of work and a huge headache but another thing I really have a problem with, I don't give a shit what color someone is and the fact that we consider electing someone of a different color progression is part of our problem. If we would elect people because we agree with their politics maybe that would help.

[StreetHazard]

I'm not responding to much today cause I have a ton of work and a huge headache but another thing I really have a problem with, I don't give a shit what color someone is and the fact that we consider electing someone of a different color progression is part of our problem. If we would elect people because we agree with their politics maybe that would help.

I personally cannot speak for everyone that voted for him, I can only speak for myself and those reasons are my own. But someone would have to have their head buried in the sand to say his multiculturalism did not play a large role in his electability. I just view those kinds of simple reasons in this case as a positive and not a negative.

[tony]

I'm not responding to much today cause I have a ton of work and a huge headache but another thing I really have a problem with, I don't give a shit what color someone is and the fact that we consider electing someone of a different color progression is part of our problem. If we would elect people because we agree with their politics maybe that would help.

The problem is there have been candidates that had legitimate Political qualifications that agreed with the politics of the majority but were not taken seriously due to the color of their skin, this is why it is progression.

[Bajjani]

The problem is there have been candidates that had legitimate Political qualifications that agreed with the politics of the majority but were not taken seriously due to the color of their skin, this is why it is progression.

But we went from one extreme to the other. I'm not arguing Obama would or wouldn't have won if he was white, but 99% of black voters voted for him, there were numerous reports that people would go ask Obama supporters what they thought of Obama's policy on (topic) and describe the policy, but it would really be McCains, but because they said it was Obama's they were all like, Yeah Obama knows what hes doing blah blah.

They should quiz you on what you know about each person running and their policies before they accept your vote.

Really, I don't think we've progressed at all. I think we just went from one side of the spectrum to the other.

[StreetHazard]

If you are not black then you probably will not understand the plight of american racism, I am not black so I will never pretend that I know. But I certainly sympathize deeply with their long struggle. What about all of the reasons alot of people did not vote for him?

"He is a radical muslim", "He is not even an american, since he was never born here". And all of the other ignorant misinformation that was spread about him regardless of his politics.

Maybe a black person that voted for him could answer this for you, I'm not going to touch it.

[Bajjani]

If you are not black then you probably will not understand the plight of american racism, I am not black so I will never pretend that I know. But I certainly sympathize deeply with their long struggle. What about all of the reasons alot of people did not vote for him?

"He is a radical muslim", "He is not even an american, since he was never born here". And all of the other ignorant misinformation that was spread about him regardless of his politics.

Maybe a black person that voted for him could answer this for you, I'm not going to touch it.

Bottom line, if they voted for him because hes black, they're no better than those who voted against him calling him a Muslim or because he was black. This may sound bad but, I don't give a shit about their struggles when it comes to a presidential election. I want everyone to vote because they believe in the policies and believe the person behind those policies will attempt to make those become reality.

If he wasn't born he here couldn't run..so I don't know why that would have been an issue.

[tony]

But we went from one extreme to the other. I'm not arguing Obama would or wouldn't have won if he was white, but 99% of black voters voted for him, there were numerous reports that people would go ask Obama supporters what they thought of Obama's policy on (topic) and describe the policy, but it would really be McCains, but because they said it was Obama's they were all like, Yeah Obama knows what hes doing blah blah.

They should quiz you on what you know about each person running and their policies before they accept your vote.

Really, I don't think we've progressed at all. I think we just went from one side of the spectrum to the other.

It would be asinine to say that Obama's race didn't motivate black voters, one thing polls do not account for initially is voter turnout and while I don't know the figures offhand I'm pretty sure black voter turnout was larger than previous elections. With that said, Democrats get 91% of the black vote on average anyway which is another issue to me but to be taken up in another topic. Just as you would ask many of the supporters of Obama about his policy and them not knowing, voters in general are pretty uneducated about policy and process.

I was one of those volunteers for the Obama campaign early in the primaries and from my own personal experience I can tell you this, in the harshest of black neighborhoods in Winston-Salem (I mean I was nervous about being there and I'm black) for every black volunteer there were about 15 white ones, and they were highly motivated and highly supportive of his policies. These people paid their way from Arizona, Rhode Island, Texas, New York, to North Carolina to volunteer. So yeah, the media showed the black people but from my own experience the white vote was most significant in his being elected.

[StreetHazard]

It would be asinine to say that Obama's race didn't motivate black voters, one thing polls do not account for initially is voter turnout and while I don't know the figures offhand I'm pretty sure black voter turnout was larger than previous elections. With that said, Democrats get 91% of the black vote on average anyway which is another issue to me but to be taken up in another topic. Just as you would ask many of the supporters of Obama about his policy and them not knowing, voters in general are pretty uneducated about policy and process.

I was one of those volunteers for the Obama campaign early in the primaries and from my own personal experience I can tell you this, in the harshest of black neighborhoods in Winston-Salem (I mean I was nervous about being there and I'm black) for every black volunteer there were about 15 white ones, and they were highly motivated and highly supportive of his policies. These people paid their way from Arizona, Rhode Island, Texas, New York, to North Carolina to volunteer. So yeah, the media showed the black people but from my own experience the white vote was most significant in his being elected.

I can actually concur with this, I was one of the white supporters campaigning for him in some of the most shittiest neighborhoods this city has to offer, places where white people would usually only go for crack and weed, and probably still not make it out completely intact , and most of the time there was not even a single black person in our group. But I was really amazed and impressed how they let us into their homes with open arms when they found out what we were there for. It was really an awesome and important experience for me.

[Bajjani]

It would be asinine to say that Obama's race didn't motivate black voters, one thing polls do not account for initially is voter turnout and while I don't know the figures offhand I'm pretty sure black voter turnout was larger than previous elections. With that said, Democrats get 91% of the black vote on average anyway which is another issue to me but to be taken up in another topic. Just as you would ask many of the supporters of Obama about his policy and them not knowing, voters in general are pretty uneducated about policy and process.

I was one of those volunteers for the Obama campaign early in the primaries and from my own personal experience I can tell you this, in the harshest of black neighborhoods in Winston-Salem (I mean I was nervous about being there and I'm black) for every black volunteer there were about 15 white ones, and they were highly motivated and highly supportive of his policies. These people paid their way from Arizona, Rhode Island, Texas, New York, to North Carolina to volunteer. So yeah, the media showed the black people but from my own experience the white vote was most significant in his being elected.

I can actually concur with this, I was one of the white supporters campaigning for him in some of the most shittiest neighborhoods this city has to offer, places where white people would usually only go for crack and weed, and probably still not make it out completely intact , and most of the time there was not even a single black person in our group. But I was really amazed and impressed how they let us into their homes with open arms when they found out what we were there for. It was really an awesome and important experience for me.

That isn't my point though. And perhaps 91% of blacks typically vote for Democrats, we're talking 8% of an entire ethnic group that switched. I know whites that voted because hes black. My point is race shouldn't be relevant in the least. Obama pulled a race card in his runnings talking about how he was going to "bridge the gap" and hes done nothing but widen it, in my opinion. I just honestly think he is a terrible leader and is not a good fit to lead our country. I think his ideals are honestly so contradicting to what our country was built on that its going to backfire.

I think the same at work though, I don't care if you're white black asian mexican or some race no one has ever seen before, if you do your job and do it well, I like you, if you don't and you try to bring about changes that have long term negative consequences that vastly outweigh the good ones, I'm not a fan.

[StreetHazard]

That isn't my point though. And perhaps 91% of blacks typically vote for Democrats, we're talking 8% of an entire ethnic group that switched. I know whites that voted because hes black. My point is race shouldn't be relevant in the least. Obama pulled a race card in his runnings talking about how he was going to "bridge the gap" and hes done nothing but widen it, in my opinion. I just honestly think he is a terrible leader and is not a good fit to lead our country. I think his ideals are honestly so contradicting to what our country was built on that its going to backfire.

I think the same at work though, I don't care if you're white black asian mexican or some race no one has ever seen before, if you do your job and do it well, I like you, if you don't and you try to bring about changes that have long term negative consequences that vastly outweigh the good ones, I'm not a fan.

I am not trying to convince you of anything, or sell you on my opinions. You have a right to express your own opinions and ideals as much as I do. Possibly a difference though is (tony) and I did not just bitch about it to our friends, and complain online. We went out into our communities and actually attempted to do something about it.

Maybe you should do something similar come next election.