Obama Haters

[RUFFIAN]

Why do people have such a short memory? When Bill Clinton was in Office, the county was booming economically. he left office with the economy in the black. Baby Bush gets in there and in 8 years we are trillions of $'s in the RED. Now the Obama is in office, People think he is supposed to wave a wand and turn everything around in the first year. someone please break it down for me

[BanginJimmy]

Nothing to see here.


Just another Obama apologist with a very selective memory.

[Vteckidd]

Why do people have such a short memory? When Bill Clinton was in Office, the county was booming economically. he left office with the economy in the black. Baby Bush gets in there and in 8 years we are trillions of $'s in the RED. Now the Obama is in office, People think he is supposed to wave a wand and turn everything around in the first year. someone please break it down for me

No need to break it down there's enough info out there go look it up.

Clinton sacrificed national security which made us weaker, but he did well with the newt Gingrich led congress.

Bush jr had 9/11 predicated by decisions Clinton made during his presidency, Katrina and 2 wars so spending was way up. He also inherited a recession in the form of the dot com boom and bubble from Clinton . While bush spent ALOT in his last 4 years he hasn't touched Obama in terms of spending.

If you disagree with bush spending you cannot say Obama is ok or look the other way. His first year he spent more than all presidents combined. Obama doesn't get a free pass sorry and he's showing no signs of slowing down

also bush had historically low unemployment and a booming economy disguised by the housing bubble

[yomomspimp06]

I think all he's trying to say is don't jump the gun...Things look bad now but in 2 years maybe things will turn around. I know Obama has been doing what seems like a SHIT job but as americans we should pull behind our leader. I think it's called Patriotism. I didn't like Bush but I didn't hate on him because he was chosen for a reason. Every president in hindsight can do things better or worse so let's ride it out and if all else fails...we can make sure he doesn't see another presidency. In the words of Dave Chappelle, "I'd hate to be that 1st *****!"

[RUFFIAN]

I haven't apologised for anything. I said how do people expect This economy to get turned around in a year. Every time we go to war, The economy goes to hell. Go reserch That. Every economic boom this country has ever had came on the heels of war. This was the same thing we went through with Regan and Daddy Bush. I don't have to reserch that, I lived through it.

[Vteckidd]

Ok fair Enough but his actions so far have not indicated any reason to be cheering.

Record spending with no signs of slowing down
record borrowing with no signs of slowing down
unemployment above 9% has done nothing to create or stabilize jobs
healthcare reform debacle and cost
cap and trade

I mean his outlook on what is good for this country is just fundamentally wrong. This is why he has been unsuccesful in creatng jobs or passing healthcare so far. He is spending money with little to no results except a weakening of the US dollar and stature world wide

[Vteckidd]

I haven't apologised for anything. I said how do people expect This economy to get turned around in a year. Every time we go to war, The economy goes to hell. Go reserch That. Every economic boom this country has ever had came on the heels of war. This was the same thing we went through with Regan and Daddy Bush. I don't have to reserch that, I lived through it.

Uh ww2 got us out of the great depression. Like it or not Iraq war created jobs for millions of Americans overseas

[RUFFIAN]

Uh ww2 got us out of the great depression. Like it or not Iraq war created jobs for millions of Americans overseas

If you read about WW2 or ask people who lived through it, they will tell you that everything was rationed out and all the resources like silk, metal, rubber, etc were redirected to the war effort.Everything moneywise was tight as a drum, thats why they were selling war bonds to help generate income. the economic boom was AFTER the war. that where the BABY BOOMERS came in. that was when the Great exodus to the newly built suburbs came from.

[81911SC]

Did you really just blame bush on the deficit but praise obama? Wow....

[RUFFIAN]

Did you really just blame bush on the deficit but praise obama? Wow....

Uh, can you quote exactly where I praised Obama? I asked only why is he expected to fix EVERYTHING in a YEAR.

[Vteckidd]

I never expected him to fix everything in a year. But I would think with 787 billion I would have gotten a lot more than 10% unemployment , indecisions on war in Afghanistan,a healthcare bill that works like a backdoored deal extremely partisan, and no signs of slowing down

don't you find it funny that 14 months into his first term he talks about creatng jobs and wants a jobs bill? Like 787 billion wasn't enough ? Does he think this 30 billion jobs bill he wants will do anything if his 787 stim 1 has absolutely failed?

Guys living in a dream world

[Paul]

I never expected him to fix everything in a year. But I would think with 787 billion I would have gotten a lot more than 10% unemployment , indecisions on war in Afghanistan,a healthcare bill that works like a backdoored deal extremely partisan, and no signs of slowing down

don't you find it funny that 14 months into his first term he talks about creatng jobs and wants a jobs bill? Like 787 billion wasn't enough ? Does he think this 30 billion jobs bill he wants will do anything if his 787 stim 1 has absolutely failed?

Guys living in a dream world

lets be REAL here.... 911 didn't have quite the impact on the economy housing bubble did; furthermore 911/katrina and numerous defining events all = FAIL under bush jr term. we all know he got us into a war over BS and it has done nothing but cost us and still is costing us. the right wingers like to bitch about spending yet they are just as bad - they gladly help put us in the current situation - everyone forgets bushes bank bail out.

in the end he has done a good job as it could be far worse and things are stabilizing. unemployment is high b/c companies needed to understand that having good financial standing isn't just numbers on paper its eliminating risks to your company and streamlining your operation. as my company calls "operational excellence".

it doesn't matter what he does as the tea party dick riders will put their spin on fiscal responsibility from 5 star resorts in Hawaii

[Vteckidd]

Ilove how people say "bush did it so it's ok "

there's no excuse spending out of control is bad I never defended bush I just said he had Katrina , 9/11 and 2 wars and he spent less in 8 years than Obama in 1 year. That is reckless anyway you slice it. If spending is bad under bush it's horrible under Obama can we agree on that?

9/11 had huge effect on our economy. It crippled us but bush kept interest rates artificially to stave off another recession and that was his mistake. It predicated a lot of artificial growth in our economy.

9/11 led to Iraq war, which whether you agree with it or not did create jobs for millions of Americans, lucrative jobs too. Now I'll say who knows what those people wouldhsve done had we not gone to war, and were the jobs created worth the deficit spending? Prob not.

Obama spending is way worse than Bush and to say we are "doing ok" is not accurate. Unemployment is stagnate, the dollar is plummeting, housing prices are still falling, wages haven't increased , and what do we have to show for it?

We own gm and will prob lose money on it
we are over a trillion MORE in debt

I didn't agree with bush bailout either that doesn't excuse Obama.

[§treet_§peed]

Remember all the promises Obama made about within six months EVERYONES problems would be solved? No more debt, no more more, etc.? EXPLAIN THAT.

[Paul]

Ilove how people say "bush did it so it's ok "

there's no excuse spending out of control is bad I never defended bush I just said he had Katrina , 9/11 and 2 wars and he spent less in 8 years than Obama in 1 year. That is reckless anyway you slice it. If spending is bad under bush it's horrible under Obama can we agree on that?

9/11 had huge effect on our economy. It crippled us but bush kept interest rates artificially to stave off another recession and that was his mistake. It predicated a lot of artificial growth in our economy.

9/11 led to Iraq war, which whether you agree with it or not did create jobs for millions of Americans, lucrative jobs too. Now I'll say who knows what those people wouldhsve done had we not gone to war, and were the jobs created worth the deficit spending? Prob not.

Obama spending is way worse than Bush and to say we are "doing ok" is not accurate. Unemployment is stagnate, the dollar is plummeting, housing prices are still falling, wages haven't increased , and what do we have to show for it?

We own gm and will prob lose money on it
we are over a trillion MORE in debt

I didn't agree with bush bailout either that doesn't excuse Obama.

bush gave us 8 years and nothing to show for but a sinking ship... people like to make it like obama was given some gold platter to work with. obama got us in a full swing recession that could of been on its way to depression. the reason things haven't gotten worse is due to spending. housing price won't be coming back anytime soon but they are gradually coming back in a few markets - unemployment is what it is as i stated previously.... like it or not what we currently have to show for is no depression and a plateau to the US fail from previous failures. also don't think this isn't a global issue b/c i work for an international company and Europe is in the same shape.

[BanginJimmy]

lets be REAL here.... 911 didn't have quite the impact on the economy housing bubble did;

I cant really think of anything since the stock market crash that led to the great depression that did have the economic impact of the housing bubble.

furthermore 911/katrina and numerous defining events all = FAIL under bush jr term.

Please explain this further. The fed govt has no real right to step into any disaster until the state govt asks for help. If you want to blame the problems with Katrina on anyone, it needs to be the state govt. Under Clinton, the state got billions to upgrade the levee system, and they used the money for something else. After Katrina, there was so much infighting between the NO govt and the La govt that nothing got done.

we all know he got us into a war over BS and it has done nothing but cost us and still is costing us.

You have your opinion on that, I have mine. We dont agree though.

the right wingers like to bitch about spending yet they are just as bad -

I agree, GOP went crazy with the money and thats one of the reasons they are no longer in power.

they gladly help put us in the current situation -

You need to go back to Clinton on this one. Bush did nothing to stop it, but all the legislation that caused it came under Clinton.

everyone forgets bushes bank bail out.

Find the threads, I was fully against that also.

in the end he has done a good job as it could be far worse and things are stabilizing.

Exactly what is stabilizing? Housing prices are still falling. Foreclosures are still very high, bank failures are the highest they have ever been, the dollar is falling. Not to mention the 9.7% unemployment which is actually closer to 18% when you consider the people that quit looking for work or took lesser jobs.

In the end, everything he has done in the last 14 months has been a failure. Stimulus didnt even slow down job losses. Health care and cap and trade threats are preventing businesses from investing in expansion. Consumer spending is well off of where it should be. The only thing that could make things worse right now would be if health care passes.

unemployment is high b/c companies needed to understand that having good financial standing isn't just numbers on paper its eliminating risks to your company and streamlining your operation. as my company calls "operational excellence".

Unemployment is high because consumer spending is low and 25% of construction workers have nothing to build.

[Paul]

In the end, everything he has done in the last 14 months has been a failure. Stimulus didnt even slow down job losses. Health care and cap and trade threats are preventing businesses from investing in expansion. Consumer spending is well off of where it should be. The only thing that could make things worse right now would be if health care passes.



Unemployment is high because consumer spending is low and 25% of construction workers have nothing to build.

stimulus money spent hasn't even fully trickled down yet as states are just now appropriating funding for construction projects. also if they did nothing and things were same/worse you would say the same thing as there isn't a RIGHT answer since we have just seen times that haven't been seen since the great depression.

25% of construction workers not building - good maybe we can ship that 25% back to mexico

[Vteckidd]

bush gave us 8 years and nothing to show for but a sinking ship... people like to make it like obama was given some gold platter to work with. obama got us in a full swing recession that could of been on its way to depression. the reason things haven't gotten worse is due to spending. housing price won't be coming back anytime soon but they are gradually coming back in a few markets - unemployment is what it is as i stated previously.... like it or not what we currently have to show for is no depression and a plateau to the US fail from previous failures. also don't think this isn't a global issue b/c i work for an international company and Europe is in the same shape.

Obama has done fuckall to keep us out of anything let alone a depression. He promised shovel ready jobs but I guess that gets forgotten

he promised unemployment wouldn't go over 8%

he said stimulus would act quickly

you realize last year his dispursement of the stim 1 funds testified before congress that little to no money would be spent in 2010 and by middle of 2010 stim funds would have little to no effect on job creation

but now that those jobs aren't there and the states have horded all the money an less than 50% of the money has been spent now it's "oh in 2010 it's gonna work it's magic"

anyone that thinks this is over is delusional. Inflation is coming and so is 9-10% unemployment for YEARS

deficit spending was bad under bush , but is astronomical under Obama and his congress. To give him a pass is putting your head in the sand. Blaming everything on bush is purely partisan

yes look at Europe, WE are following them down the rabbit hole

[Paul]

Obama has done fuckall to keep us out of anything let alone a depression. He promised shovel ready jobs but I guess that gets forgotten

he promised unemployment wouldn't go over 8%

he said stimulus would act quickly

you realize last year his dispursement of the stim 1 funds testified before congress that little to no money would be spent in 2010 and by middle of 2010 stim funds would have little to no effect on job creation

but now that those jobs aren't there and the states have horded all the money an less than 50% of the money has been spent now it's "oh in 2010 it's gonna work it's magic"

anyone that thinks this is over is delusional. Inflation is coming and so is 9-10% unemployment for YEARS

deficit spending was bad under bush , but is astronomical under Obama and his congress. To give him a pass is putting your head in the sand. Blaming everything on bush is purely partisan

yes look at Europe, WE are following them down the rabbit hole

partisan is thinking ANYONE can fix 20+ years of bad policies in one year - we gave bush 8 years and it wasn't good dems get 1 year and bush now seems like he was best president of the century... i guess the mass shift in voting was purely b/c he was black

[BanginJimmy]

partisan is thinking ANYONE can fix 20+ years of bad policies in one year - we gave bush 8 years and it wasn't good dems get 1 year and bush now seems like he was best president of the century... i guess the mass shift in voting was purely b/c he was black

I would definitely call Bush the best President of the century.

[Paul]

I would definitely call Bush the best President of the century.

bahhhhhhhhhh

[Vteckidd]

Of the century no way haha Reagan IMO he was handed a plate of shit and actually turned it around

[Vteckidd]

partisan is thinking ANYONE can fix 20+ years of bad policies in one year - we gave bush 8 years and it wasn't good dems get 1 year and bush now seems like he was best president of the century... i guess the mass shift in voting was purely b/c he was black

I agree in principle but

show me how Obama is DIFFERENT than bush or Clinton or anyone else ? What bad policies has he NOT followed to make him different than the last 20 years of presidents.

[yomomspimp06]

clinton=best of century
To answer the question of who should be in office next if obama can't figure out a real strategy to unsink the titanic. Ron Paul

[TIGERJC]

Uh ww2 got us out of the great depression. Like it or not Iraq war created jobs for millions of Americans overseas

War Welfare for defense contractors is such a great thing

[Vteckidd]

War Welfare for defense contractors is such a great thing

Private contractors and defense contractors pay $$$$ I know plenty of people that went overseas and made money, call it whatever you want it's still employment.

I get what banginjimmy said, THIS century is bush or Obama only 2 choices

[Vteckidd]

clinton=best of century
To answer the question of who should be in office next if obama can't figure out a real strategy to unsink the titanic. Ron Paul

No way Reagan was way better. Clinton didn't do really anything except draw defense down to a level we got attacked , he was neutralized by Gingrich

I will say he did a good job of being bipartisan as best he could unlike Obama marching his troops into oblivion

[TIGERJC]

Private contractors and defense contractors pay $$$$ I know plenty of people that went overseas and made money, call it whatever you want it's still employment.

I get what banginjimmy said, THIS century is bush or Obama only 2 choices

So it is okay to over pay for something our own military can do. Damn I wish we would spend more on things that actually would do some good like teachers, infrastructures and health care like we do on our military.

Military spending = Corporate Welfare system. But no that's ok, but individual welfare is wrong and those lazy bastards should work harder

Reagan is like god to you ppl, is he god?

[yomomspimp06]

I just like the way clinton did things. defense is an issue but why do we have to be a WORLD POWER. Can't we sit back and enjoy shit like switzerland. maybe if we stopped poking our noses elsewhere and really focused on the US of A then maybe we could accomplish things. Of course we can't just pull out of all our foreign adventures over night. I'm just suggesting a little more focus where it's needed most.

[Vteckidd]

So it is okay to over pay for something our own military can do. Damn I wish we would spend more on things that actually would do some good like teachers, infrastructures and health care like we do on our military.

Military spending = Corporate Welfare system. But no that's ok, but individual welfare is wrong and those lazy bastards should work harder

You're totally missing my point.

[TIGERJC]

You're totally missing my point.

Same goes for you. You are against bailouts, but yet we have been bailing out defense companies and other corporations with military spending ie kickbacks for the last 10 years. I just hate how people pick and choose instead of be all for or against it.

[Vteckidd]

No you're mistaken. My point was purely on effect on economy nothing more. Iraq war created jobs , I never said I was for or against more military spending

[Vteckidd]

You also must have missed this part

"9/11 led to Iraq war, which whether you agree with it or not did create jobs for millions of Americans, lucrative jobs too. Now I'll say who knows what those people wouldhsve done had we not gone to war, and were the jobs created worth the deficit spending? Prob not. "

[BanginJimmy]

I just like the way clinton did things. defense is an issue but why do we have to be a WORLD POWER. Can't we sit back and enjoy shit like switzerland. maybe if we stopped poking our noses elsewhere and really focused on the US of A then maybe we could accomplish things. Of course we can't just pull out of all our foreign adventures over night. I'm just suggesting a little more focus where it's needed most.

Its called isolationism and we tried that after WWI. Guess where that got us.

[jamesb18c1]

... i guess the mass shift in voting was purely b/c he was black

yeah I agree!

[Vteckidd]

There wasn't a mass shift in voting the country was still split 50/50

What was final number like 52/48?

[jamesb18c1]

There wasn't a mass shift in voting the country was still split 50/50

What was final number like 52/48?

Im not sure, Im just saying how many people only voted for him because he was the first black guy to run for president. Lots of people just wanted to see history made and know they had something to do with it. I bet if he was just another white guy he wouldnt have gotten a lot of the votes he did.

[S2KJD]

is this thread for real? LOL

[bu villain]

I would definitely call Bush the best President of the century.

I'm assuming you're talking about the 21st century.

[tony]

Im not sure, Im just saying how many people only voted for him because he was the first black guy to run for president. Lots of people just wanted to see history made and know they had something to do with it. I bet if he was just another white guy he wouldnt have gotten a lot of the votes he did.

Oh god the things I want to say, and you're in the Army huh? hmm..

First black guy to run for president, I say this with all due respect but did you pull that out your ass? Pick up a history book, Shirley Chisolm, Jesse Jackson, Lenora Fulani all ran for president in the past. And I've said it time and time again, the idea that being black somehow gives you a leg up on being elected Commander in Chief is asinine.

Mike, the election wasn't even close. Obama got 300 something electoral votes while McCain had mid 100's. (I don't remember exact figures)

I like the original poster's approach to the subject and his responses, even though Jimmy tried to take the thread elsewhere rather than address the actual post. I'll continue to sit back and watch, I couldn't stand idle with the post I quoted though.