Whether you like it or not, do you think it will happen?

[thecrazyone]

POLL is private. An ignorant arrogant mod added the last option. SOME LAME MOD ADDED THE OVER 500 VOTES.
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A ballot initiative to legalize recreational marijuana use in California has received enough signatures to place it before voters next year, organizers said.

The “Tax, Regulate and Control Cannabis Act of 2010” has garnered 680,000 signatures, more than the 433,971 required to be placed on the state’s ballot, said Salwa Ibrahim, a spokeswoman for the measure’s sponsor, Oaksterdam University in Oakland, which bills itself as “America’s first cannabis college.”

“We’re going to keep collecting signatures until we have to turn it in,” before the February deadline, Ibrahim said in an interview today. “They’re from all over the state of California.”

The measure, which must be certified by the secretary of state before it can officially be placed on the ballot, would allow adults 21 and older to possess an ounce of marijuana and cultivate 25 square feet (2.3 square meters) for personal consumption, Ibrahim said. Cities and counties can decide how and if to tax commercial sales and cultivation.

“So for instance, in a Danville or Alamo, if they’re like, ‘Oh my gosh, we do not want dispensaries or any of that in our communities,’ that’s fine, they don’t have to have it,” she said. “But a place like Oakland, where we desperately need the revenue, it would be a perfect fit.”

A Field Poll conducted in April showed that 56 percent of registered voters in California supported legalizing and taxing marijuana.

Health Reasons

California is one of 14 states allowing some marijuana use for health reasons, according to the U.S. Justice Department. Oakland voters this year approved a measure making their city the first in the U.S. to tax it.

In October, the state assembly’s Public Safety Commission discussed the social, fiscal and legal implications of legalizing and regulating the drug like alcohol. It was the first time the issue had been considered by the Legislature since the ban on marijuana use went into effect in 1913.

California Assemblyman Tom Ammiano introduced a separate marijuana legalization bill in February, that, if passed, would add $1.34 billion to California’s annual revenue based on sales tax and a $50-an-ounce excise levy, according to the state’s tax administrator, the Board of Equalization. The bill will have its first policy hearing in January.

Obama’s Policy

Nationally, President Barack Obama’s Justice Department told federal prosecutors on Oct. 19 not to seek criminal charges against those who use or supply the drug for medical purposes in accordance with state laws, reversing the previous Bush administration approach.

The federal guidelines don’t legalize marijuana. The Justice Department will focus its resources on “serious drug traffickers while taking into account state and local laws,” Attorney General Eric Holder said in a statement.

The Bush administration had said it would pursue charges in medical marijuana cases, even in those states.

Marijuana, produced from the cannabis plant, can be smoked or ingested. Its recreational use is illegal in the U.S.

The signatures collected will be sent to county election officials to count and verify, according to the Secretary of State’s Office. The measure would then be certified and placed on the ballot.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aKNQlqjXCQ3w

Whoreslounge for views, retire to politics in a while!

[thecrazyone]

WOOOW, mod that was lameeeeeee, cant read what i said!?!?

[BanginJimmy]

I dont believe mind altering drugs have any place in a developed society. Yes, that includes alcohol and tobacco, even though I do like to have an occasional drink.

[thecrazyone]

I dont believe mind altering drugs have any place in a developed society. Yes, that includes alcohol and tobacco, even though I do like to have an occasional drink.

So coffee's gotta go? No caffeine, its mind altering. No sugar either!

[BanginJimmy]

So coffee's gotta go? No caffeine, its mind altering. No sugar either!

If you want to take it to far off extremes to try to prove your point thats fine with me. The simple fact is that every bit of "proof" you have tried to use has been rebuked in this thread.

[MachNU]

So coffee's gotta go? No caffeine, its mind altering. No sugar either!

Really? I am going to go drink 15 cokes in a row, and see if I start seeing shit. Then go on a sugar benge and see what happens first. Me dying from to much sugar in my system or getting a high like marijuana!

Great argument!

[thecrazyone]

Really? I am going to go drink 15 cokes in a row, and see if I start seeing shit. Then go on a sugar benge and see what happens first. Me dying from to much sugar in my system or getting a high like marijuana!

Great argument!

If you have been drunk, you have been more messed up that cannabis will ever get you.

[MachNU]

If you have been drunk, you have been more messed up that cannabis will ever get you.

Then say alcolhol, not caffine and sugar. Those where just arguments that a pot head would use when high with no real evidence to support it.

Now being drunk is different. It beyond impairs your senses, which is why its so dam illegal to get over a certain blood aclohol content and go out in public. So with your argument if they legalize marijuana, then they should make it okay to get shit faced drunk and go drive around.

[PSINXS]

Really? I am going to go drink 15 cokes in a row, and see if I start seeing shit. Then go on a sugar benge and see what happens first. Me dying from to much sugar in my system or getting a high like marijuana!

Great argument!

your caffeine high is more dangerous(increased heart rate) than marijuana high. and then u have the inevitable crash from caffeine.

seriously, morphine is mind altering in small doses, lets ban that too. you better believe some people are using morphine for recreational purposes.

Neither alcohol or marijuana should have been banned in the first place.

If ppl use either with common sense, things would be a lot better. I hate drunk people. But im not going to go on and on about how alcohol should be banned. Hell im drinking a beer right now. To each his own.

id like to see both parties agree to disagree.

[thecrazyone]

id like to see both parties agree to disagree.

indeed, i couldnt agree more, but thats for another thread,this thread is for the FACT its about to be legal in Cali to smoke and grow weed.

[thecrazyone]

I dont believe mind altering drugs have any place in a developed society. Yes, that includes alcohol and tobacco, even though I do like to have an occasional drink.

How are you so closed minded, do you not see the bigger picture, 14 staes have medicinal use, the subject of this thread is about the fact California our largest and most populated state is about to legalize it.

Obviously a lot of people know more than you, and what you "know" about cannabis is wrong,a nd you have been lied to.

[MachNU]

How are you so closed minded, do you not see the bigger picture, 14 staes have medicinal use, the subject of this thread is about the fact California our largest and most populated state is about to legalize it.

Obviously a lot of people know more than you, and what you "know" about cannabis is wrong,a nd you have been lied to.

medicinal vs rec. use. Yeah again great argument.

[thecrazyone]

medicinal vs rec. use. Yeah again great argument.

What argument are you trying to make genius?

Mine is the fact that everyday is proving more and more how harmless cannabis is, whether rec or med, who cares. Yes it has med values and helps with pain and so on and so on, and yea people can smoke it and get high, so what?

[JdM_EJ2]

i support bud

[MachNU]

I love the arguments behind this. How would it bring more taxes? Instead people have a cover for producing large amounts of marijuana to export. You would see a rise in crime, from people breaking into houses where 25 square feet was being produced and stealing it all. You would still run the problem of those people over 21, producing the legal limit and selling all there amount to people under 21. The whole idea behind this is built upon ideas thought up by pot heads for pot heads.

[tony]

Cannabis may be the nation's largest cash crop, but marijuana remains a Schedule I drug, deemed by the federal government to have a high potential for abuse, no accepted medical value and illegal to use under all circumstances. Perhaps Californians have been emboldened in legalizing medicinal marijuana, but in truth, the conflict between state and federal law has had serious consequences for users and distributors caught in the federal web.

Keepwaiting. It will still be illegal here in Georgia, regardless of California's vote. You will have to change it in Washington, where you do not have enough support.

I just have to quote a few things here cause false info is being given out. Marijuana is a Schedule II drug, as is Cocaine so it is not totally prohibited on the federal level.

I love the arguments behind this. How would it bring more taxes? Instead people have a cover for producing large amounts of marijuana to export. You would see a rise in crime, from people breaking into houses where 25 square feet was being produced and stealing it all. You would still run the problem of those people over 21, producing the legal limit and selling all there amount to people under 21. The whole idea behind this is built upon ideas thought up by pot heads for pot heads.

If you refer to the prohibition of Alcohol, usage did decline when it was outlawed but crime rose. The idea that crime will increase when Marijuana is legal is asinine. I come from a state where it is legal (Alaska) and I still cannot understand the problem people have with weed. Do I use it? No, but from what I observed it isn't any more harmful than alcohol or nicotine.

My argument in the issue is it doesn't make logical sense for Marijuana to be illegal unless you look at it from a morale standpoint, even then the medical use of it justifies the means. Most violent crime is done under the use of Alcohol yet those who oppose legalization of Marijuana will justify the legalization of Alcohol. There is no continuity in the argument.

[David88vert]

I just have to quote a few things here cause false info is being given out. Marijuana is a Schedule II drug, as is Cocaine so it is not totally prohibited on the federal level.

Incorrect, it is Schedule I.
http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/scheduling.html
http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/abuse/1-csa.htm

[tony]

Incorrect, it is Schedule I.
http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/scheduling.html
http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/abuse/1-csa.htm

I stand corrected and owe an apology then, I was studying for a Substance Abuse DSST this past week and I swore Marijuana was Schedule I. No excuses, just my own ignorance.

[David88vert]

I stand corrected and owe an apology then, I was studying for a Substance Abuse DSST this past week and I swore Marijuana was Schedule I. No excuses, just my own ignorance.

Actually, there is a petition to get it dropped from Schedule I to II, so it may become Schedule II in the future. That may have been what you heard about. No apologies needed, as this is just a discussion.

[nreggie454]

California isn't America's largest state.

[thecrazyone]

California isn't America's largest state.

fine 3rd largest w/e, still most populated, besides area has nothing to do with it anyway.

[Vteckidd]

I'll prob surprise a lot of people with my answer........

I think it shoud legalized across the USA. I think it should be sold out of govt run supply stores who buy from private enterprises. Basically how the state run liquor store are up north.

IMO legalizing marijuana would:
raise tax revenues at state and federal level
spur small business growth
decriminalize a drug IMO that is not harmful
create jobs no only in private sector but govt as well I'm terms of regulatory agencies that will have to be created
decrease crime because the Mexican drug lords will lose their cash crop
let loose a lot of petty criminals in jail for posession or trafficing small amounts

I really don't see a downside

[thecrazyone]

I'll prob surprise a lot of people with my answer........

I think it shoud legalized across the USA. I think it should be sold out of govt run supply stores who buy from private enterprises. Basically how the state run liquor store are up north.

IMO legalizing marijuana would:
raise tax revenues at state and federal level
spur small business growth
decriminalize a drug IMO that is not harmful
create jobs no only in private sector but govt as well I'm terms of regulatory agencies that will have to be created
decrease crime because the Mexican drug lords will lose their cash crop
let loose a lot of petty criminals in jail for posession or trafficing small amounts

I really don't see a downside

Thank you, common sense!

[Hektik]

Why is it that everyone who is against it, always calls those who are for it potheads. So if you drink or have drunk alcohol before does that make you an alcoholic? It's very hard to get either side to agree on this because those who are against it will always be against it. They will never try to see the other side of things or even attempt to educate themselves on all the new studies that have been shown for it. People seem to only see that it is illegal and make assumptions from that.

It has been shown and proven that their are lots of good uses for either the plant or the chemical(THC) in both personal and medical aspects. But it is something that if legalized, would have to be heavily regulated. such as alcohol is regulated. I believe one of the main reasons they haven't legalized it is because their is no way to monitor someone driving under the influence of it. With alcohol they can take your BAH and see how intoxicated you are. With marijuana their is no way of telling if the person just put out their blunt or if they used it 2 days ago. People should have the right to do what they want inside of their own homes(within reason of course, so save your freedom to murder statements). I don't however condone driving under the influence of it. It just puts everyone else at risk.

[Vteckidd]

I don't think anyone believes weed is worse than wiskey or vodka. I think it should it become legal, you should be 21 and older to obtain it, big tax on it , maybe have a registration card so we can track who buys it. Give people DUI if they drove under the influence etc

fact is if you want to smoke weed, your doing it already. So the argument that crime will increase I think is bullshit

out of all the drugs out there weed is the least dangerous.

Weed doesnt have near the sideeffects alcohol has

[Hektik]

I don't think anyone believes weed is worse than wiskey or vodka. I think it should it become legal, you should be 21 and older to obtain it, big tax on it , maybe have a registration card so we can track who buys it. Give people DUI if they drove under the influence etc

fact is if you want to smoke weed, your doing it already. So the argument that crime will increase I think is bullshit

out of all the drugs out there weed is the least dangerous.

Weed doesnt have near the sideeffects alcohol has

Exactly if anything crime would drop, no more dealers to have to deal with. Even though most of the crime that comes from marijuana is on a higher level, usually there's not a lot of street level crime other than selling an illegal substance. Those who purchase it will have a safer way of buying it also, and the govt will get their cut. Another thing is most people are introduced to heavier drugs through their dealer, not because they want a bigger high. So no dealer no gateway.

[MachNU]

your caffeine high is more dangerous(increased heart rate) than marijuana high. and then u have the inevitable crash from caffeine.

seriously, morphine is mind altering in small doses, lets ban that too. you better believe some people are using morphine for recreational purposes.

Neither alcohol or marijuana should have been banned in the first place.

If ppl use either with common sense, things would be a lot better. I hate drunk people. But im not going to go on and on about how alcohol should be banned. Hell im drinking a beer right now. To each his own.

id like to see both parties agree to disagree.

Caffenine high being dangerous to the person doing it. Marijuana is not going to do that. So like I originally said thats comparing apples and peanuts!

Now your down to common sense. Thats a big thing now and days. How often do you drive around and see someone texting on there cell phone and not paying attention to the road? Or people getting drunk beyond belief and driving? Common Sense is a superpower these days, so its very rare.

Then combined with any type of downer will greatly reduce anyone's "common sense"

u lack a lot of logic.

the SMART thing to do is make a law that if youa re under the influence of mary jane, u get a punishable sentence just as if drunk and driving.


you clearly are anti weed for no reason at all. you are an idiot

like already stated how do you prove someone had just smoked out at there house, where they are "free to do what they want, within reason" got the munchies and decided to head off to the store to get some shit? Your telling me that this wont happen?

But MJ will be in your system for about 30 days and if you are a chronic user, then as long as 60 days from the last use. So by your own recommendation anyone that drives a vehicle within 30 days of smoking should get a DUI. I would love to see that stand up in court.

Beat me to it. If this passed it would help the economy out alot. Tons of jobs would open up. Plenty of people would go to work still high, or not go in at all from over sleeping, etc. Opening tons of jobs up. Maybe it would be a good idea. Could only imagine the amount of copys that would do random bi weekly drug test.

stop being a jackass. just like when somone is drunk and slurring, stumbling, being high has signs, for example red -eyes LAWL. they might also be hungry.

Ever been shit faced before? Drank heavly one night, passed out a few hours later, and woke up 10 hours later, hung over? By the end of the day you where back to normal. Now combine use of marijuana in that, think how fucked up the next day you would probably be.

I'll prob surprise a lot of people with my answer........

I think it shoud legalized across the USA. I think it should be sold out of govt run supply stores who buy from private enterprises. Basically how the state run liquor store are up north.

IMO legalizing marijuana would:
raise tax revenues at state and federal level
spur small business growth -How?
decriminalize a drug IMO that is not harmful -If its regulated it might, but if not it will further more criminal actions.
create jobs no only in private sector but govt as well I'm terms of regulatory agencies that will have to be created -combined with the amount of job losses, as stated eariler.
decrease crime because the Mexican drug lords will lose their cash crop -just means they move onto different drugs
let loose a lot of petty criminals in jail for posession or trafficing small amounts -Let loose someone with the mentality to do something that was illegal in the first place...yeah thats some sound logic

I really don't see a downside

Why is it that everyone who is against it, always calls those who are for it potheads. So if you drink or have drunk alcohol before does that make you an alcoholic? It's very hard to get either side to agree on this because those who are against it will always be against it. They will never try to see the other side of things or even attempt to educate themselves on all the new studies that have been shown for it. People seem to only see that it is illegal and make assumptions from that.

It has been shown and proven that their are lots of good uses for either the plant or the chemical(THC) in both personal and medical aspects. But it is something that if legalized, would have to be heavily regulated. such as alcohol is regulated. I believe one of the main reasons they haven't legalized it is because their is no way to monitor someone driving under the influence of it. With alcohol they can take your BAH and see how intoxicated you are. With marijuana their is no way of telling if the person just put out their blunt or if they used it 2 days ago. People should have the right to do what they want inside of their own homes(within reason of course, so save your freedom to murder statements). I don't however condone driving under the influence of it. It just puts everyone else at risk.

Very good point. What I am getting at. The amount of DUI's would drastically increase if this was to pass.

[Vteckidd]

Oh and I've smoked weed twice total in 28 years of my life, once at 20 once at 21

I'm not a pothead

[Vteckidd]

At first maybe but overall it won't (DUI). As I said if they legalize marijuana I highly doubt you're going to see this mass influx of people trying it for the first time.

People who want to smoke weed are already doing it. Legalizingit won't change the customer base AT ALL. It will just allow existing users to purchase it legally at a higher price but they will gain access to better quality too regulated by govt.

As for the "people losing jobs" from legalizing weed and being stoners that's extremely far fetched. People smoke weed now and go to work fine.

Of course moderation is key. If someone smokes a pound and misses work, what's different than a guy drinking a gallon of whiskey the night before and being hungover?

Alcohol causes live damage, brain damage, etc

weed only hurts your lungs and at a much lower rate than cigarettes

How would crime rise? Street level dealers who don't pay taxes now, would either go into business for themselves legally or work for a larger conglomerate in the "industry" maybe as a marketing person or customer relations :p

the thugs will lose their cash crop. There will be no incentive to sell it.

But that opens up another area, let's make the private growers sell it to "abc weed store" as a distribution center a kind of wholesaler, then they sell it to the street dealers at a profit if they buy in bulk. Require every street dealer to have a registration card or id. Now we track them and can identify them

[MachNU]

At first maybe but overall it won't (DUI). As I said if they legalize marijuana I highly doubt you're going to see this mass influx of people trying it for the first time.

People who want to smoke weed are already doing it. Legalizingit won't change the customer base AT ALL. It will just allow existing users to purchase it legally at a higher price but they will gain access to better quality too regulated by govt.

As for the "people losing jobs" from legalizing weed and being stoners that's extremely far fetched. People smoke weed now and go to work fine.

Of course moderation is key. If someone smokes a pound and misses work, what's different than a guy drinking a gallon of whiskey the night before and being hungover?

Alcohol causes live damage, brain damage, etc

weed only hurts your lungs and at a much lower rate than cigarettes

How would crime rise? Street level dealers who don't pay taxes now, would either go into business for themselves legally or work for a larger conglomerate in the "industry" maybe as a marketing person or customer relations :p

the thugs will lose their cash crop. There will be no incentive to sell it.

But that opens up another area, let's make the private growers sell it to "abc weed store" as a distribution center a kind of wholesaler, then they sell it to the street dealers at a profit if they buy in bulk. Require every street dealer to have a registration card or id. Now we track them and can identify them

Again your basing this all on good faith. Do you really think people who have lived there life's by doing this illegal, are just going to up and go by the books because of it being legal? Why pay more when they can get it from across the border or grow it themselves and completely cut out hte middle man and have larger profits.

Also like you said people do it in moderation just for the hope of not getting caught. Make it legal and you remove that getting caught aspect. Meaning the moderation level changes.

Just like you said, no different then someone drinking heavly and going to work hung over. But like alcohol there are addictions and there are those that can be mentally addicted to marijuana if it becomes legal and with more oppurtunity to use it.

[Vteckidd]

Again your basing this all on good faith. Do you really think people who have lived there life's by doing this illegal, are just going to up and go by the books because of it being legal? Why pay more when they can get it from across the border or grow it themselves and completely cut out hte middle man and have larger profits.

I think the "cartels" in Mexico would rather sell mass quantities legally than illegally. They would make more money would lose shipments, streamline their infrastructure, open businesses up in the USA etc.

I really don't think you will see a lot of backdoor selling because it won't be cheaper.

Same happened with alcohol. Prices went UP when it was banned, not down. When prohibition ended prices fell compared to bootleggers.

Likewise American businesses would pop up all over the place. New industry new area of business etc.

Supply and demand.

Also like you said people do it in moderation just for the hope of not getting caught. Make it legal and you remove that getting caught aspect. Meaning the moderation level changes.

I think thats wrong. Weed is so easily accessible now you can get it anywhere. People don't worry about getting caught in their homes IMO. USERS don't buy lbs at a time. Your average weed smoker buys enough for a week or two cause that's what he can afford or that's what is available.

You think an alcoholic buys $1000 in whiskey everytime he goes out? Nope

just like a pothead won't buy $1000 in weed if it becomes legal.

Make it illegal to smoke in public, make it illegal to have more than an ounce there's room to compromise IMO

And honestly if someone wants to get baked out of their mind, who cares. Just like if a guy wants to guzzle a bottle of grey goose in his home, who cares. Personal responsibility

Just like you said, no different then someone drinking heavly and going to work hung over. But like alcohol there are addictions and there are those that can be mentally addicted to marijuana if it becomes legal and with more oppurtunity to use it.

years and years of study have shown no chemical dependence on thc. Furthermore what's wrong with it if people get "mentally addicted". Alcohol and tobacco are far more dangerous than thc. Now cigarettes don't alter your mind like weed and alcohol, but it's far more dangerous.

So we get a bunch of stoners that I would bet money are stoners already.

I understand your point of view, I don't agree but you raise a lot of valid points. There's still a lot of unknowns

[MachNU]

I understand your point of view, I don't agree but you raise a lot of valid points. There's still a lot of unknowns

Exactly what I was getting at. We argue about drug cartels, etc, but none of us really have the first idea on it. No one would now the true outcome in a industry settign standard, criminal standard and moderation standard because this was never legal in the first place to have a before and after comparison. Only thing close would be before prohibition, during prohibition and after prohibition up until today.

[Hektik]

Again your basing this all on good faith. Do you really think people who have lived there life's by doing this illegal, are just going to up and go by the books because of it being legal? Why pay more when they can get it from across the border or grow it themselves and completely cut out hte middle man and have larger profits..

A lot of average Joes smoke marijuana. People who otherwise are completely by the book. You would be surprised who smokes. Older people, and I mean older, like in their 40's and 50's. Mom's, Dad's, Uncles. People with average lives. People who would prefer to go to a gas station or a head shop and purchase from a cashier rather than a street dealer. People who would have no issue with paying the extra few bucks, to guarantee pure, fresh MJ. Rather than taking a chance and getting something from a shady fella on the corner.

Plus the government could increase the fines and penalties for illegal distribution and purchase, making it completely not worth it for street dealing.

Also like you said people do it in moderation just for the hope of not getting caught. Make it legal and you remove that getting caught aspect. Meaning the moderation level changes.

Again if they get stricter with the laws people would be less likely to abuse it. For instance, now days a person gets caught with less than an ounce they barely do one night in county and then pay fines. The Gov'ts main interest in catching people is the money. If the legalize, and get stricter with the laws, like for say if get caught Driving under the influence it’s a mandatory 30 days for first offense and 60 for consequent events. It would scare people more. Plus increase the fines. You see where I’m headed with this.

Just like you said, no different then someone drinking heavly and going to work hung over. But like alcohol there are addictions and there are those that can be mentally addicted to marijuana if it becomes legal and with more oppurtunity to use it.

Many studies have shown no physical addiction to MJ. As far as mental addiction I’m not too sure. However most addictions, especially those hard to get over, (IE. nicotine, alcohol, and narcotics) are chemical addictions. This is what makes it hard for someone to drop the drug. MJ does not create a chemical addiction.

[jdm-civic]

i support the legalization of marijuana 100%......bud FTW!!!

[40th GT]

Just because I don't smoke it doesn't mean it should remain illegal. I haven't done much research on the subject but apparently there are medical uses and if that's true it's one more reason to have it.
I say legalize it ASAP, tax it, and count it towards our GDP! However, there should be a legal "age", like alcohol and porno stores.

[David88vert]

I am for medical marijuana use. That is controlled by doctors and is no different than prescription painkillers - except the painkiller is naturally grown.
I have no problem with it being regulated like alcohol - I just don't see where you will have enoungh congressmen willing to vote to legalize it - politically, it is not a strong way to gain support from your constituents.
That said, it is illegal now, so if you want it legalized, you are going to have to have some powerful and wealthy people support a passage of a bill legalizing it. That isn't going to happen in today's political climate. The entire thread is useless as it will lead to nowhere - it's just potheads spewing propoganda - just like the other thread.

[MachNU]

Just because I don't smoke it doesn't mean it should remain illegal. I haven't done much research on the subject but apparently there are medical uses and if that's true it's one more reason to have it.
I say legalize it ASAP, tax it, and count it towards our GDP! However, there should be a legal "age", like alcohol and porno stores.

Its already used for medical use. Just requires a license from a doctor that allows you to carry up to a certain amount of it. There is not one argument out there for it on a medical use because its already legal in alot of states for that use. Like stated many times this is potheads wanting easier access to it.

I am for medical marijuana use. That is controlled by doctors and is no different than prescription painkillers - except the painkiller is naturally grown.
I have no problem with it being regulated like alcohol - I just don't see where you will have enoungh congressmen willing to vote to legalize it - politically, it is not a strong way to gain support from your constituents.
That said, it is illegal now, so if you want it legalized, you are going to have to have some powerful and wealthy people support a passage of a bill legalizing it. That isn't going to happen in today's political climate. The entire thread is useless as it will lead to nowhere - it's just potheads spewing propoganda - just like the other thread.

Bingo!

[David88vert]

Its already used for medical use. Just requires a license from a doctor that allows you to carry up to a certain amount of it. There is not one argument out there for it on a medical use because its already legal in alot of states for that use. Like stated many times this is potheads wanting easier access to it.

Only 14 states have legalized it for medical use. NJ just did last month making it #14.

[thecrazyone]

Like stated many times this is potheads wanting easier access to it.
Bingo!

You Couldnt be more wrong...

so say it becomes legal, and its sold in stores, how is it easier when you have to show i.d and have the face to face with a clerk who makes sure your old enough, instead of a drug dealer that doesnt care if you're 9 years old as long as you have cash.

Then a system would be in place where with w/e card you use to buy the meds can show, your last purchase and there would be a limit on how much you can buy and how often.

Then people wouldnt be buying from stores and selling on the streets, b/c it would be controlled purchases.

Then drug dealers go out of business, cause who wants to go to a sketchy dealer, which is still illegal to buy from, when you can go to the gas station and pick up a few grams, for cheaper and safer.

It would still be illegal to sell privately on the street.

[MachNU]

You Couldnt be more wrong...

so say it becomes legal, and its sold in stores, how is it easier when you have to show i.d and have the face to face with a clerk who makes sure your old enough, instead of a drug dealer that doesnt care if you're 9 years old as long as you have cash.

Then a system would be in place where with w/e card you use to buy the meds can show, your last purchase and there would be a limit on how much you can buy and how often.

Then people wouldnt be buying from stores and selling on the streets, b/c it would be controlled purchases.

Then drug dealers go out of business, cause who wants to go to a sketchy dealer, which is still illegal to buy from, when you can go to the gas station and pick up a few grams, for cheaper and safer.

It would still be illegal to sell privately on the street.

Ever heard of fake id's? Even if there is easier access, as I already stated thats going to do nothing more than make it easier for people to abuse the drug just like aclohol. I am going to pop your little bubble with some simple questions...

1. Why do you want marijuana legalized, and I mean this in why do YOU want it legalized.
2. Do you have a medical condition that can help cure or lessen the pain?
3. Even as already stated, if it is legalized in Cali, how is that going to affect you here in Georgia?