ANY argument on why marijuana should be illegal just got proven wrong

[thecrazyone]

-gateway effect
-kills brain cells
-causes cancer
-the drug war
-it makes you stupid
-it causes violence


Thats right folks,this documentary shows you why absolutely ANY argument on why pot should be illegal or stay illegal is pointless and stupid, dont believe me? Watch it!

No one can even come in here bashing, cause it doesn't matter, i KNOW whats right, if you're to ignorant to watch this movie, or even the trailer, than you mean nothing to me, and nothing you say matters.

The is not a stoner movie it is a documentary, with politicians, celebrities, government officials, it has FACTS, archival footage, it shows studies and medical journals all in favor of legalization and WHY!!

>>>>>>The Union: The Business Behind Getting High<<<<<
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1039647/

BC's illegal marijuana trade industry has evolved into a business giant, dubbed by some involved as 'The Union', Commanding upwards of $7 billion Canadian annually. With up to 85% of 'BC Bud' being exported to the United States, the trade has become an international issue. Follow filmmaker Adam Scorgie as he demystifies the underground market and brings to light how an industry can function while remaining illegal. Through growers, police officers, criminologists, economists, doctors, politicians and pop culture icons, Scorgie examines the cause and effect nature of the business - an industry that may be profiting more by being illegal.

The basic point of this documentary is to present the facts about Marijuana. It focuses less on the BC market and more on the reasons why marijuana should be viewed in the same light as alcohol and tobacco. It argues for the legalization of marijuana. The argument is compelling and factual with many legititamate sources. UNLIKE THE IGNORANT STUFF Y'ALL SPEW ON HERE
PLEASE WATCH THE TRAILER,(it opens in your browser) before you post something ignorant.
WMV...
http://www.theunionmovie.com/wmv_large.html
Quicktime....
http://www.theunionmovie.com/quicktime_large.html

WEBSITE
http://www.theunionmovie.com/TheUnionWeb.html

If you want to watch it without downloading, or buying...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...4414651731007#

Now, TRY ME?!?!?! haha, ya'll got nothing!

[thecrazyone]

and remember, alcohol was once illegal herin the U.S, and when it was it thrived in the undrground speak ease's.

and marijuna was once LEGAL, in fact is was ILLEGAL NOT TO GROW IT.

[preferredduck]

and remember, alcohol was once illegal herin the U.S, and when it was it thrived in the undrground speak ease's.

and marijuna was once LEGAL, in fact is was ILLEGAL NOT TO GROW IT.

that is true, also a good one for ya
who sponsors a partnership for a drug free america

hmm, every alcohol company, pharma companies, phillip morris and camel joe, blue cross blue shield, phizer, astra zeneca, and many others, why, because they wont make $$$ and the booze and cig folks don't want it to be illegal so they make it look better. watch the american drug war, it has some cool stuff in it like how the CIA is the biggest drug importer of coke back in the iran contra, and the dude in charge now has a tv show, also since we have been to afghan in the was of 03 opium production is uo 90% since we got there, and now there are more drugs than ever in the us.

of course they don't want pot legal, then you can get off paxil, prozac, and wellbutrin all at the same time.

[David88vert]

Fact: It doesn't matter if it should or shouldn't be illegal - it is currently illegal here without a medical prescription.

Fact: If you want it to be legal, we are not stopping you from moving to a place where it is legal.

Fact: No one here really cares what you care about.

BTW - Your post is proof enough that it kills brain cells.....

Now, go get high and mellow out.....

[WhiteAccord]

Fact: It doesn't matter if it should or shouldn't be illegal - it is currently illegal here without a medical prescription.

Fact: If you want it to be legal, we are not stopping you from moving to a place where it is legal.

Fact: No one here really cares what you care about.

BTW - Your post is proof enough that it kills brain cells.....

Now, go get high and mellow out.....

I could not agree with you more on the facts.... But unfortunately smoking the goods does NOT kill your brain cells.

ever try to get and maintain a good job while smoking weed?????





thats what i thought

Yes I have been able to keep my 6 digit figure salary while smoking. Thanks.

I wont bother watching the movie, but I can say that a documentary can be edited to prove ANY point you want it to. All you have to do is speak with the doctors, politicians, celebrities, researchers that support your side of the argument. It would be just as easy to do a documentary to support the fact that it is habit forming, a gateway drug and anything else.

Unfortunately if you weren't so ignorant in jumping to conclusions. You would realize and underestand that this documentary is unbiased in any way. Following from that the documentary does not cut in and out like some biased docs are. The interviews in the doc have people who are unbiased towards the used of marijuana and give SOLID and FACTUAL information.

Plus the research I have done on the experiments that were conducted on the use of MJ comes out to be quite true on from every angle and on every level.

[EJ25RUN]

Fact: It doesn't matter if it should or shouldn't be illegal - it is currently illegal here without a medical prescription.

Fact: If you want it to be legal, we are not stopping you from moving to a place where it is legal.

Fact: No one here really cares what you care about.

BTW - Your post is proof enough that it kills brain cells.....

Now, go get high and mellow out.....

This post. Read it again. Then read it again after that because it makes sense every time.

[thecrazyone]

Fact: It doesn't matter if it should or shouldn't be illegal - it is currently illegal here without a medical prescription.

Fact: If you want it to be legal, we are not stopping you from moving to a place where it is legal.

Fact: No one here really cares what you care about.

BTW - Your post is proof enough that it kills brain cells.....

Now, go get high and mellow out.....

This post. Read it again. Then read it again after that because it makes sense every time.

DO Y'ALL EVEN KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS THREAD?

DUH! Its illegal, we all know that, but WHY???

It doesn't matter if it should or shouldn't be illegal

DOESNT MATTER?!?! are you crazy, do you know what you're saying? That is exactly what matters, and what this thread was started for. Learn to read.

[preferredduck]

Fact: It doesn't matter if it should or shouldn't be illegal - it is currently illegal here without a medical prescription.

Fact: If you want it to be legal, we are not stopping you from moving to a place where it is legal.

Fact: No one here really cares what you care about.

BTW - Your post is proof enough that it kills brain cells.....

Now, go get high and mellow out.....

so your saying the owner of apple iphones killed all his brain cells, what about our video games. guess how many really rich people smoke, 90% of them.

[David88vert]

so your saying the owner of apple iphones killed all his brain cells, what about our video games. guess how many really rich people smoke, 90% of them.

Jobs didn't design the iPhone. Jonathan Ive designed it, and is the real braines behind it. Johnathan Ive is not a known pothead.

Please post supporting evidence from a reputable source that 90% of the rich smoke - as the national average of users is much, much lower.

Seems to me that all that pot smoking has killed some of your brain cells....

[preferredduck]

Jobs didn't design the iPhone. Jonathan Ive designed it, and is the real braines behind it. Johnathan Ive is not a known pothead.

Please post supporting evidence from a reputable source that 90% of the rich smoke - as the national average of users is much, much lower.

Seems to me that all that pot smoking has killed some of your brain cells....

i know several wealthy business owners right here in GA that smoke daily, most of the technology we have now is from folks from the 60's and 70's and they were potheads. watch a few videos and do some research to see, hell clinton and bush bioth toked it up and became presidents, though bush seemed dumb, but i think it was from birth.

see that's being insulting. from my personal friends that i have known for 14+ years their brain cells didn't go til exstacy and meth, seriously. watch the video i referenced called the american drug war by kevin booth and you will see the point of what they hide. hell i bet prozac does more damage than pot!!!!

[David88vert]

i know several wealthy business owners right here in GA that smoke daily, most of the technology we have now is from folks from the 60's and 70's and they were potheads. watch a few videos and do some research to see, hell clinton and bush bioth toked it up and became presidents, though bush seemed dumb, but i think it was from birth.

see that's being insulting. from my personal friends that i have known for 14+ years their brain cells didn't go til exstacy and meth, seriously. watch the video i referenced called the american drug war by kevin booth and you will see the point of what they hide. hell i bet prozac does more damage than pot!!!!

Please do tell how our technology came from potheads.
The reality is, that most of it was developed by the military or for the miltary
Most large companies have drug tests - and pot is not a common commodity in R&D.
Hardware - IBM has testing.
Telecommunications - AT&T has testing.

Clinton didn't inhale.
Bush couldn't figure out how to use the lighter.

So your friends were fine until they did meth and ectasy? Seems much more likely that marijuana killed off enough brain cells that they didn't realize that harder drugs would do more damage. Thanks for proving that point for me.

[seriousb13]

old video. This has already been posted and discussed many many times.

[dallasb84]

ever try to get and maintain a good job while smoking weed?????


thats what i thought

[thecrazyone]

ever try to get and maintain a good job while smoking weed?????


thats what i thought

yep, been smoking weed for 7-8 years and have had 8-9 jobs, upgrading in pay at each one. Currently running a 4 million dollar company with 4 other people. kthnxbye

[Gorilla Eg!]

yep, been smoking weed for 7-8 years and have had 8-9 jobs, upgrading in pay at each one. Currently running a 4 million dollar company with 4 other people. kthnxbye

need an assistant? lol

[PSINXS]

ever try to get and maintain a good job while smoking weed?????


thats what i thought

yes and I have. although i dont anymore, but its really not that hard. its better than the alcoholics ive seen come to work.

[BanginJimmy]

I wont bother watching the movie, but I can say that a documentary can be edited to prove ANY point you want it to. All you have to do is speak with the doctors, politicians, celebrities, researchers that support your side of the argument. It would be just as easy to do a documentary to support the fact that it is habit forming, a gateway drug and anything else.

[thecrazyone]

UNLIKE THE IGNORANT STUFF Y'ALL SPEW ON HERE
haha, ya'll got nothing!

I wont bother watching the movie, but I can say that a documentary can be edited to prove ANY point you want it to. All you have to do is speak with the doctors, politicians, celebrities, researchers that support your side of the argument. It would be just as easy to do a documentary to support the fact that it is habit forming, a gateway drug and anything else.

[BanginJimmy]

speechless?

[BABY J]

LOL @ this shit.

Potheads don't deserve to run shit - much less a company.

[thecrazyone]

LOL @ this shit.

Potheads don't deserve to run shit - much less a company.

lol if you or anyone you know owns anything APPLE, i would be thanking us, Steve Jobs came up with apple while smoking weed.

but i digress, i dont want to take this thread to the usual back and forth he say she say.

[ash7]

fact: thecrazyone has started 4 threads dealing with marijuana in the past month.

potheads = two thumbs down
-jonathan

[i4_garage]

lol herb is goodshitt!

[Gorilla Eg!]

I smoke tha ganj

[dallasb84]

well i never said getting a good job cant be done..... and no matter what, a good work ethic regardless of personal habits is rewarded..... but......... even as a pothead you must agree that some potheads.....are worthless motherfuckers....

and.... in an industrial environment, dangerous surroundings, or when you are relying on another person i would say doing drugs should be abstained from whether its legal or not. to include alcohol.....

when the thc byproducts are in your system and you are detoxing..... your body is lethargic and your sense of critical thinking is slowed. this is "scientifically" proven..

most of the time a chronic user will feel this after a week or so after quitting



with that being said.... when you work in the field i do.... i would prefer to work with clean individuals over potheads.

[WhiteAccord]

well i never said getting a good job cant be done..... and no matter what, a good work ethic regardless of personal habits is rewarded..... but......... even as a pothead you must agree that some potheads.....are worthless motherfuckers....

and.... in an industrial environment, dangerous surroundings, or when you are relying on another person i would say doing drugs should be abstained from whether its legal or not. to include alcohol.....

when the thc byproducts are in your system and you are detoxing..... your body is lethargic and your sense of critical thinking is slowed. this is "scientifically" proven..

most of the time a chronic user will feel this after a week or so after quitting



with that being said.... when you work in the field i do.... i would prefer to work with clean individuals over potheads.

I completely Agree... There are some people who are just complete bums.

[ChnkyLao]

work places will treat pot like any other drug, alcohol, and cigerates,

they won't care you do it outside of work as long as it doesn't effect you inside of work. If weed ever becomes legalized i see all the dumbasses come into work high and getting fired because they can't work efficiently

becuase of the economy i wouldnt do anything to hurt my job

[BABY J]

I do not want some1 working on my car that smoke spot.

I don't want some1 teaching my daughter that smokes pot.

I do not want some1 flying my plane that smokes pot.

I do not want some1 that works at my bank that smokes pot.

I can go on - but you get the point.

--> There are LOTS of people who do not smoke pot JUST bc it's illegal even though they want to - and I like it that way.

[bigdare23]

I believe marijuana should be legal and just CONTROLLED just like cigarettes and alcohol. Tax the shit out of it and BAM there's another form of revenue for the government (yea yea I know easier said then done).



Baby J,
You don't want those people to smoke weed, but many of them drink. What's your feelings on that? Teachers taking a shot after a long day of teaching. Mechanics having a few beers in the fridge at the shop. Pilots going to the bar between flights. A teller having a ladies night out with her girls getting drinks bought for them. The argument against alcohol is just as strong as weed (if not stronger), yet it's just an controlled substance. Plus, it's related to many (which is an understatement) deaths. The only "one-up" alcohol has on weed is it's legal, but that's just my opinion.



From personal experiences (I'm a professional student LOL), I have been around both drunks and potheads. Weed smokers tend to be more laid back, chilled, and hungry (LOL). I never seen one start a fight or anything crazy. They do tend to talk really crazy though. As for drunks, the ranged from passed-out to loud/rude and acting real crazy (fighting and such). So I would rather be around a people smoking then drinking (minus the smell).


(And this is coming from a person that has been drug free since birth, and will always be.)

[David88vert]

You don't want those people to smoke weed, but many of them drink. What's your feelings on that? Teachers taking a shot after a long day of teaching. Mechanics having a few beers in the fridge at the shop. Pilots going to the bar between flights. A teller having a ladies night out with her girls getting drinks bought for them. The argument against alcohol is just as strong as weed (if not stronger), yet it's just an controlled substance. Plus, it's related to many (which is an understatement) deaths. The only "one-up" alcohol has on weed is it's legal, but that's just my opinion.

Fact: Weed smokers in the USA, who do not have a prescription, practice bad judgment.

He probably doesn't want someone teaching his kid who regularly shows bad judgment by choosing to break the law. Imagine that crazy thought.

Alcohol is legal, weed is illegal - that is not opinion, that is fact.

[bigdare23]

Fact: Weed smokers in the USA, who do not have a prescription, practice bad judgment.

He probably doesn't want someone teaching his kid who regularly shows bad judgment by choosing to break the law. Imagine that crazy thought.

Alcohol is legal, weed is illegal - that is not opinion, that is fact.

Can't argue the fact that it's illegal

Let's looking at speeders. 85mph in a 65mph zone, what are they thinking . I hope teacher never speed, since speeders "practice bad judgment" daily. See how your comment can be flipped. Shit even drug free people use bad judgment on a daily basis. I pretty sure you don't do everything strictly by the book, but that doesn't automatically mean you "practice bad judgment".


Lets see your thought process. Lets even the playing field. Let's say alcohol and weed are both illegal or both legal. How would you feel then? Is weed worse than alcohol only because it's illegal? Or are you more concern about the effects of smoking weed? (Or are you just going to discredit this paragraph and not answer because weed isn't legal?)


Like I said before, I'm drug free. So weed being legal or illegal wont bother me one bit. It's just hypocritical that people the want to keep weed illegal, while alcohol intoxicated people continue to kill innocent people. So my stand in this argument is, if weed is illegal, alcohol should be also. Can anyone give me a reason why alcohol should be legal while weed isn't?

[David88vert]

Can't argue the fact that it's illegal

Let's looking at speeders. 85mph in a 65mph zone, what are they thinking . I hope teacher never speed, since speeders "practice bad judgment" daily. See how your comment can be flipped. Shit even drug free people use bad judgment on a daily basis. I pretty sure you don't do everything strictly by the book, but that doesn't automatically mean you "practice bad judgment".


Lets see your thought process. Lets even the playing field. Let's say alcohol and weed are both illegal or both legal. How would you feel then? Is weed worse than alcohol only because it's illegal? Or are you more concern about the effects of smoking weed? (Or are you just going to discredit this paragraph and not answer because weed isn't legal?)


Like I said before, I'm drug free. So weed being legal or illegal wont bother me one bit. It's just hypocritical that people the want to keep weed illegal, while alcohol intoxicated people continue to kill innocent people. So my stand in this argument is, if weed is illegal, alcohol should be also. Can anyone give me a reason why alcohol should be legal while weed isn't?

Speeding is not a chemical that impairs a person's brain process. Drugs and alcohol are. Compare apples to apple, not oranges. Conciously breaking a law to smoke something that impairs your judgment is not something that would fail under common sense thinking.

If alcohol was illegal, I'd answer the same way for alcohol. Legalize weed, and it will be the same as alcohol. Abuse either and you go to jail.

I don't care if they make weed legal, or if they make alcohol illegal. Currently though, weed is illegal, and alcohol is legal, so any other arguments are moot.

[BABY J]

I believe marijuana should be legal and just CONTROLLED just like cigarettes and alcohol. Tax the shit out of it and BAM there's another form of revenue for the government (yea yea I know easier said then done).

Baby J,
You don't want those people to smoke weed, but many of them drink. What's your feelings on that? Teachers taking a shot after a long day of teaching. Mechanics having a few beers in the fridge at the shop. Pilots going to the bar between flights. A teller having a ladies night out with her girls getting drinks bought for them. The argument against alcohol is just as strong as weed (if not stronger), yet it's just an controlled substance. Plus, it's related to many (which is an understatement) deaths. The only "one-up" alcohol has on weed is it's legal, but that's just my opinion.

From personal experiences (I'm a professional student LOL), I have been around both drunks and potheads. Weed smokers tend to be more laid back, chilled, and hungry (LOL). I never seen one start a fight or anything crazy. They do tend to talk really crazy though. As for drunks, the ranged from passed-out to loud/rude and acting real crazy (fighting and such). So I would rather be around a people smoking then drinking (minus the smell).

(And this is coming from a person that has been drug free since birth, and will always be.)

Controlled? You mean controlled like alcohol? Like teenagers getting drunk and killing people/themselves on the road? Kids dieing of cancer from cigarettes? Controlled like the gov is controlling guns --- 9 year olds taking handguns to school and killing people? Please tell me that you are referring to a different type of control. Our gov can't control anything - one of the best efforts they have at doing so is making something illegal w/ stiff penalties to pay if those laws are broken.

The simple fact is that there are LOTS of people who don't speed JUST b/c the speed limit is posted on a sign beside the road. There are LOTS of people who don't drink and drive JUST b/c it's illegal. Legalizing marijuana would force employers to do the job that the government should be doin - firing people who are drug addicts... there goes more people on unemployment who want to stay home and get high while my tax dollars pays for it. There goes more crime b/c the unemployed feel they need a life of crime to make ends meet. There goes the service industry b/c the dummy on the other end of the phone at Bank of America is too high to know where to transfer my money. There goes doctors being corrupt and writing bogus (even moreso than now) prescriptions for each other as well as the general dumbass public. I could go on.

You make some good points on paper - but that is not realistic IMO. I don't know of a better solution than leaving this as it is.

[Total_Blender]

There goes the service industry b/c the dummy on the other end of the phone at Bank of America is too high to know where to transfer my money. .

Most people who drink don't go to work drunk, why do you think people who smoke would be high at work? I'd lose my job if I showed up drunk just the same as if I'd lose it if I showed up high.

For the record, I don't smoke. But if it were legal and there wasn't the risk of losing my job and financial aid, I'd probably use it now and then to help with my insomnia, which is currently un-treated because I don't like pills. Weed really doesn't do much to me besides make me sleepy, and its probably better for me in the long run than sleeping pills or whatever.

[ISAtlanta300]

I believe marijuana should be legal and just CONTROLLED just like cigarettes and alcohol. Tax the shit out of it and BAM there's another form of revenue for the government (yea yea I know easier said then done).



Baby J,
You don't want those people to smoke weed, but many of them drink. What's your feelings on that? Teachers taking a shot after a long day of teaching. Mechanics having a few beers in the fridge at the shop. Pilots going to the bar between flights. A teller having a ladies night out with her girls getting drinks bought for them. The argument against alcohol is just as strong as weed (if not stronger), yet it's just an controlled substance. Plus, it's related to many (which is an understatement) deaths. The only "one-up" alcohol has on weed is it's legal, but that's just my opinion.



From personal experiences (I'm a professional student LOL), I have been around both drunks and potheads. Weed smokers tend to be more laid back, chilled, and hungry (LOL). I never seen one start a fight or anything crazy. They do tend to talk really crazy though. As for drunks, the ranged from passed-out to loud/rude and acting real crazy (fighting and such). So I would rather be around a people smoking then drinking (minus the smell).


(And this is coming from a person that has been drug free since birth, and will always be.)

You're assuming that every person that drinks automatically gets drunk. If I have a wine or two with dinner, I am still sober.

However, all weed smokers WILL get high.. that is the purpose of smoking weed. Otherwise you would be smoking cigs.

Therein lies the difference.

[Total_Blender]

However, all weed smokers WILL get high.. that is the purpose of smoking weed. Otherwise you would be smoking cigs.

Therein lies the difference.

Just as you can get nothing from drinking one beer or you can get shitty after drinking a fifth of liquor, there are varying degrees of intoxication for MJ according to how much is used and the individual's tolerance to it. Also, the effects of MJ don't last nearly as long. You can be stoned out of your gourd and be fine a half hour later, whereas with booze you stay drunk for hours, and you might feel groggy/hungover the next day.

Hell cigarettes affect brain chemistry too, and if you smoke enough tobacco you'll get high from that as well.

[David88vert]

...Also, the effects of MJ don't last nearly as long. You can be stoned out of your gourd and be fine a half hour later, whereas with booze you stay drunk for hours, and you might feel groggy/hungover the next day.....

That disagrees with many published studies from doctors. Here is one:
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content...urcetype=HWCIT

Many more on JAMA.

[bu villain]

I do not want some1 working on my car that smoke spot.

I don't want some1 teaching my daughter that smokes pot.

I do not want some1 flying my plane that smokes pot.

I do not want some1 that works at my bank that smokes pot.

I can go on - but you get the point.

--> There are LOTS of people who do not smoke pot JUST bc it's illegal even though they want to - and I like it that way.

Too late, they already do.

[Total_Blender]

Originally Posted by BABY J
I do not want some1 working on my car that smoke spot.

I don't want some1 teaching my daughter that smokes pot.

I do not want some1 flying my plane that smokes pot.

I do not want some1 that works at my bank that smokes pot.

I can go on - but you get the point.

--> There are LOTS of people who do not smoke pot JUST bc it's illegal even though they want to - and I like it that way.

Replace "smokes pot" in your above statement with "watches Glenn Beck," or "drinks alcohol," or "eats mayonnaise" and you'll see how I feel and how a lot of people feel. In the end you can't pick and choose every little thing that every person you turn to for a good or service does.

The fact that its illegal doesn't deter anyone from smoking pot. Its really part of the appeal of the rebellious lifestyle for kids nowadays, and if you were to legalize it in a managed fashion similar to Europe and Canada it would lose some of that appeal.

[BanginJimmy]

The fact that its illegal doesn't deter anyone from smoking pot.

It may not deter the dim witted or the career students, but I can assure you that that fact alone deters a VERY great many people, myself included. For those of us with real jobs, the possibility of being drug tested is enough to keep me from ever smoking again.