ANY argument on why marijuana should be illegal just got proven wrong

[collins]

[preferredduck]

and remember, alcohol was once illegal herin the U.S, and when it was it thrived in the undrground speak ease's.

and marijuna was once LEGAL, in fact is was ILLEGAL NOT TO GROW IT.

that is true, also a good one for ya
who sponsors a partnership for a drug free america

hmm, every alcohol company, pharma companies, phillip morris and camel joe, blue cross blue shield, phizer, astra zeneca, and many others, why, because they wont make $$$ and the booze and cig folks don't want it to be illegal so they make it look better. watch the american drug war, it has some cool stuff in it like how the CIA is the biggest drug importer of coke back in the iran contra, and the dude in charge now has a tv show, also since we have been to afghan in the was of 03 opium production is uo 90% since we got there, and now there are more drugs than ever in the us.

of course they don't want pot legal, then you can get off paxil, prozac, and wellbutrin all at the same time.

[preferredduck]

Fact: It doesn't matter if it should or shouldn't be illegal - it is currently illegal here without a medical prescription.

Fact: If you want it to be legal, we are not stopping you from moving to a place where it is legal.

Fact: No one here really cares what you care about.

BTW - Your post is proof enough that it kills brain cells.....

Now, go get high and mellow out.....

so your saying the owner of apple iphones killed all his brain cells, what about our video games. guess how many really rich people smoke, 90% of them.

[David88vert]

so your saying the owner of apple iphones killed all his brain cells, what about our video games. guess how many really rich people smoke, 90% of them.

Jobs didn't design the iPhone. Jonathan Ive designed it, and is the real braines behind it. Johnathan Ive is not a known pothead.

Please post supporting evidence from a reputable source that 90% of the rich smoke - as the national average of users is much, much lower.

Seems to me that all that pot smoking has killed some of your brain cells....

[preferredduck]

Jobs didn't design the iPhone. Jonathan Ive designed it, and is the real braines behind it. Johnathan Ive is not a known pothead.

Please post supporting evidence from a reputable source that 90% of the rich smoke - as the national average of users is much, much lower.

Seems to me that all that pot smoking has killed some of your brain cells....

i know several wealthy business owners right here in GA that smoke daily, most of the technology we have now is from folks from the 60's and 70's and they were potheads. watch a few videos and do some research to see, hell clinton and bush bioth toked it up and became presidents, though bush seemed dumb, but i think it was from birth.

see that's being insulting. from my personal friends that i have known for 14+ years their brain cells didn't go til exstacy and meth, seriously. watch the video i referenced called the american drug war by kevin booth and you will see the point of what they hide. hell i bet prozac does more damage than pot!!!!

[David88vert]

i know several wealthy business owners right here in GA that smoke daily, most of the technology we have now is from folks from the 60's and 70's and they were potheads. watch a few videos and do some research to see, hell clinton and bush bioth toked it up and became presidents, though bush seemed dumb, but i think it was from birth.

see that's being insulting. from my personal friends that i have known for 14+ years their brain cells didn't go til exstacy and meth, seriously. watch the video i referenced called the american drug war by kevin booth and you will see the point of what they hide. hell i bet prozac does more damage than pot!!!!

Please do tell how our technology came from potheads.
The reality is, that most of it was developed by the military or for the miltary
Most large companies have drug tests - and pot is not a common commodity in R&D.
Hardware - IBM has testing.
Telecommunications - AT&T has testing.

Clinton didn't inhale.
Bush couldn't figure out how to use the lighter.

So your friends were fine until they did meth and ectasy? Seems much more likely that marijuana killed off enough brain cells that they didn't realize that harder drugs would do more damage. Thanks for proving that point for me.

[99hatch]

Please do tell how our technology came from potheads.
The reality is, that most of it was developed by the military or for the miltary
Most large companies have drug tests - and pot is not a common commodity in R&D.
Hardware - IBM has testing.
Telecommunications - AT&T has testing.

Clinton didn't inhale.
Bush couldn't figure out how to use the lighter.

So your friends were fine until they did meth and ectasy? Seems much more likely that marijuana killed off enough brain cells that they didn't realize that harder drugs would do more damage. Thanks for proving that point for me.

I work for a large company that does drug testing. Guess what. Still smoke every day. Companies drug test on the start, but once your in they usually dont repeat test you unless you are working some low end hourly job. Quit for a month and you can get a job wherever and resume smoking. You can say what you want, but Legal Drugs are in the top 5 for most deaths every year. Even asprin kills some 70000 a year world wide. Pot has never killed anyone directly. Pharmaceutical drugs actually kill more people every year than heroin, meth, and coke combined. Think about that for a minute. Then think about the fact that all 3 were invented by the pharmacutical companies.

[David88vert]

I work for a large company that does drug testing. Guess what. Still smoke every day. Companies drug test on the start, but once your in they usually dont repeat test you unless you are working some low end hourly job. Quit for a month and you can get a job wherever and resume smoking. You can say what you want, but Legal Drugs are in the top 5 for most deaths every year. Even asprin kills some 70000 a year world wide. Pot has never killed anyone directly. Pharmaceutical drugs actually kill more people every year than heroin, meth, and coke combined. Think about that for a minute. Then think about the fact that all 3 were invented by the pharmacutical companies.

You said it right there.

Companies have to spend money to test for drugs. Why do you think they do that? Perhaps they don't want to employ potheads. Pre-employment drug testing is considered an intelligence test.

As for resuming after a month, have you heard of post-incident testing? Think about that for the entire time that you are employed.

[preferredduck]

Please do tell how our technology came from potheads.
The reality is, that most of it was developed by the military or for the miltary
Most large companies have drug tests - and pot is not a common commodity in R&D.
Hardware - IBM has testing.
Telecommunications - AT&T has testing.

Clinton didn't inhale.
Bush couldn't figure out how to use the lighter.

So your friends were fine until they did meth and ectasy? Seems much more likely that marijuana killed off enough brain cells that they didn't realize that harder drugs would do more damage. Thanks for proving that point for me.

no use in argueing with a wall. trust me when i say after the use of harder drugs years after pot that i noticed a big difference in my friends. also do some research into what real (not fda) scientists have to say about pot it's actually healthier than you think. this is also straight from my own Dr's mouth also and he is an MD.

98 hatch is also right that more people die from pharma than anything. hell the number one killer is tylenol, go figure. he is also correct that nobody has died from pot, except the cop and his wife a few years ago who tried it anf thought they were dying, called 911 and everything.

[David88vert]

no use in argueing with a wall. trust me when i say after the use of harder drugs years after pot that i noticed a big difference in my friends. also do some research into what real (not fda) scientists have to say about pot it's actually healthier than you think. this is also straight from my own Dr's mouth also and he is an MD.

98 hatch is also right that more people die from pharma than anything. hell the number one killer is tylenol, go figure. he is also correct that nobody has died from pot, except the cop and his wife a few years ago who tried it anf thought they were dying, called 911 and everything.

I am not saying that it is not healthier than alcohol or prescription drugs. We agree that in and of itself, it is better on the lungs than tobacco. However, as you yourself mentioned, users often turn to harder drugs. That is not marijuana's fault, as it is the user who chooses what they intake, but you cannot deny that the people who are willing to use marijuana have the tendency not to use better judgment, and resort to harder drugs.

There is no possible way that you can say that a person who smokes an illegal drug that there is job testing for can be practicing good judgment.

[99hatch]

I am not saying that it is not healthier than alcohol or prescription drugs. We agree that in and of itself, it is better on the lungs than tobacco. However, as you yourself mentioned, users often turn to harder drugs. That is not marijuana's fault, as it is the user who chooses what they intake, but you cannot deny that the people who are willing to use marijuana have the tendency not to use better judgment, and resort to harder drugs.

There is no possible way that you can say that a person who smokes an illegal drug that there is job testing for can be practicing good judgment.

This is false. Only 1 out of every 104 users of marijuana go on to use Cocaine. and less that 1 out of 104 use heroin or meth. I would bet that more that 1 out of 104 people who drink use cocaine. Your gateway drug "theory" is false and its the same propaganda the government has been pushing out. Just like the whole "this is your brain on drugs." The government has been saying since the 70's and 80's that pot kills brain cells. Well now they have discovered that it actually helps produce brain cells. So if it is helping you produce braincells, then smoking it will give you good judgment.

Im not saying there are not pot heads out there that smoke all day and play xbox and live in their moms basement. There are lots of em. But the fact is, these people would be sorry anyway with or without the pot. I know a guy like this. He was always sorry with pot, quit smoking, and still sorry. Wont work or get a job etc. But you would be surprised at how many people in "upper society jobs" smoke pot. Lots of Doctors, Lawyers, etc. Are they practicing good judgement? Or do they simply know more facts about pot that you dont know.

I know you want to group Marijuana in that same group with coke, meth etc. I personally am against those hard drugs as well. But pot should not be grouped into that category. It has been legal longer in this country that alcohol. But legalizing weed would make those harder drugs go way down. Because even that 1 out of 104 people that goes on to coke, he wouldnt do it if he wasnt at the dealers house and the dealer says "want to try this?" No he would buy it from a gas station like cigs and beer. More underage students try drugs way before alcohol, because it is easier to get because the dealer doesnt card you.

[David88vert]

This is false. Only 1 out of every 104 users of marijuana go on to use Cocaine. and less that 1 out of 104 use heroin or meth. I would bet that more that 1 out of 104 people who drink use cocaine. Your gateway drug "theory" is false and its the same propaganda the government has been pushing out. Just like the whole "this is your brain on drugs." The government has been saying since the 70's and 80's that pot kills brain cells. Well now they have discovered that it actually helps produce brain cells. So if it is helping you produce braincells, then smoking it will give you good judgment.

Im not saying there are not pot heads out there that smoke all day and play xbox and live in their moms basement. There are lots of em. But the fact is, these people would be sorry anyway with or without the pot. I know a guy like this. He was always sorry with pot, quit smoking, and still sorry. Wont work or get a job etc. But you would be surprised at how many people in "upper society jobs" smoke pot. Lots of Doctors, Lawyers, etc. Are they practicing good judgement? Or do they simply know more facts about pot that you dont know.

I know you want to group Marijuana in that same group with coke, meth etc. I personally am against those hard drugs as well. But pot should not be grouped into that category. It has been legal longer in this country that alcohol. But legalizing weed would make those harder drugs go way down. Because even that 1 out of 104 people that goes on to coke, he wouldnt do it if he wasnt at the dealers house and the dealer says "want to try this?" No he would buy it from a gas station like cigs and beer. More underage students try drugs way before alcohol, because it is easier to get because the dealer doesnt card you.

Please provide evidence to back up your statements from a recognized authority - not a biased agency on an agenda to legalize it.

I've personally known more potheads to move on to harder drugs than not. Of course, I'm fairly careful in choosing my friends, so I don't know a lot of them.
Medically, it can reduce the death of neurons - not create new ones. It does this by inhibiting their proper function. That is fact.

If you think that smoking pot will improve your judgment - you've just proven that you don't possess a rational thought process. It is just as inhibiting as alcohol.

I agree that a lot of potheads would still not be productive if they took no drugs at all.
I also agree that it should be treated more like alcohol, and less like harder drugs. But the fact is that our opinions do not change the fact that it is illegal. Using it cannot mean that you are showing good judgment. That is an undeniable fact.

[ISAtlanta300]

[QUOTE=99hatch;38854970] I would bet that more that 1 out of 104 people who drink use cocaine. [QUOTE]

Like they say in the movie 'half baked', you have smoked yourself retarded. So you're saying that 1 out of 104 people who drink do cocaine? Even my mom and sister who like to have a glass of wine with dinner? Even my brother and cousin who like to have a cold beer after a hard day of work? Even my grandma who likes a shot of brandy when making rumcakes?

Dude, please lay off the pipe..... killing braincells.. here's the evidence....... LOL

[alpine_aw11]

I just wish weed wouldn't attract the morons who have PERSONALITY DISORDERS that have caused it to be so hated.

[preferredduck]

I am not saying that it is not healthier than alcohol or prescription drugs. We agree that in and of itself, it is better on the lungs than tobacco. However, as you yourself mentioned, users often turn to harder drugs. That is not marijuana's fault, as it is the user who chooses what they intake, but you cannot deny that the people who are willing to use marijuana have the tendency not to use better judgment, and resort to harder drugs.

There is no possible way that you can say that a person who smokes an illegal drug that there is job testing for can be practicing good judgment.

there is a section of this in the american drug war by kevin booth. basically all the commercials and education the youth gets tells them pot is just as bad as lets say meth, so after trying pot and seeing it's not bad they try meth and get hooked. that video has a very valid point. i used to smoke years ago but never tried meth, heroin, i did try i few other things but never became a junky and knew when enough was enough but when you put pot and meth in the same learning session for young people it's misleading and they try it. i know people who have smoked and never tried another drug period so it's not really a gateway drug it's all in the marketing. watch the video i referenced it will blow your mind, seriously it did mine and made alot of sense.

[preferredduck]

Please provide evidence to back up your statements from a recognized authority - not a biased agency on an agenda to legalize it.

I've personally known more potheads to move on to harder drugs than not. Of course, I'm fairly careful in choosing my friends, so I don't know a lot of them.
Medically, it can reduce the death of neurons - not create new ones. It does this by inhibiting their proper function. That is fact.

If you think that smoking pot will improve your judgment - you've just proven that you don't possess a rational thought process. It is just as inhibiting as alcohol.

I agree that a lot of potheads would still not be productive if they took no drugs at all.
I also agree that it should be treated more like alcohol, and less like harder drugs. But the fact is that our opinions do not change the fact that it is illegal. Using it cannot mean that you are showing good judgment. That is an undeniable fact.

he said it pretty good about how the gateway works. i saw this first hand. show up at a buddies to get some really good stuff and he has some good coke, ex, and meth, wanna try it it's free etc etc, and the dealer doesn't card is in the video i referred to. usually when someone sells they sell many things so it is easy to get people to try new things and as my previous post stated if it's in the same category it must be the same if that's what the gov't says, they wouldn't lie would they.

[David88vert]

there is a section of this in the american drug war by kevin booth. basically all the commercials and education the youth gets tells them pot is just as bad as lets say meth, so after trying pot and seeing it's not bad they try meth and get hooked. that video has a very valid point. i used to smoke years ago but never tried meth, heroin, i did try i few other things but never became a junky and knew when enough was enough but when you put pot and meth in the same learning session for young people it's misleading and they try it. i know people who have smoked and never tried another drug period so it's not really a gateway drug it's all in the marketing. watch the video i referenced it will blow your mind, seriously it did mine and made alot of sense.

You are referring to Alex Jones buddy? The same guy who claimes that the CIA pushed crack to the LA gangs? Didn't he make a mention at one point that the govenment was trying to kill off black people? That's a reliable source?

[preferredduck]

You are referring to Alex Jones buddy? The same guy who claimes that the CIA pushed crack to the LA gangs? Didn't he make a mention at one point that the govenment was trying to kill off black people? That's a reliable source?

no kevin booth never said the gov't was trying to kill black people, there is a video of a LA narcotics detective talking to the director of the CIA and basically punked him out because the CIA was trying to recruit him while "wal mart" ricky williams was selling crack. his supplier was involed with the iran contra and as he says i dont have a boat, plane etc, so i cant go get it out of the country it's brought to me. he was also warned when raids were about to happen, and that only comes from someone on the inside. also look at the numbers on how much opium came from afghan before were occupied it to present day levels. it went from like 2% to 95% since the US military has been there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT5MY3C86bk

mike ruppert and john deutch video, he is very specific on alot of issues and it the video crack is still alive and well in LA even though the gov'ts war on crack is over, it's now the war on meth from mexico!!

[David88vert]

no kevin booth never said the gov't was trying to kill black people, there is a video of a LA narcotics detective talking to the director of the CIA and basically punked him out because the CIA was trying to recruit him while "wal mart" ricky williams was selling crack. his supplier was involed with the iran contra and as he says i dont have a boat, plane etc, so i cant go get it out of the country it's brought to me. he was also warned when raids were about to happen, and that only comes from someone on the inside. also look at the numbers on how much opium came from afghan before were occupied it to present day levels. it went from like 2% to 95% since the US military has been there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT5MY3C86bk

mike ruppert and john deutch video, he is very specific on alot of issues and it the video crack is still alive and well in LA even though the gov'ts war on crack is over, it's now the war on meth from mexico!!

Kevin Booth is only lauded by those who are interested in promoting marijuana - like High Times. He does not claim to be a journalist either, and admits his bias. No problem there. People can have their opinions, but don't think that his opinions can be construed as fact. He has no "evidence", just interviews with people of dubious character. You're going to trust what Rick Ross says, and take that as gospel? Tommy Chong? The people who distorted their senses to the extreme are who you rely on their memories?

Why do you think that he is not taken seriously? Look and his website and you can see. This is a guy that has publically claimed that Gary Webb was assassinated by the government, even when the Sacramento County coronor determined that it was suicide, and his ex-wife said that Webb had been depressed for some time over his inability to get a job at another major newspaper. Webb also left suicide notes to his ex-wife, his two sons and his daughter. Yet, somehow, Kevin Booth, a man who claims that his schizophrenic brother was a major influence on his life, says he knows better, even though he had never met Webb. Maybe getting high opened up his subconcious to see what no one else could see?

[preferredduck]

Kevin Booth is only lauded by those who are interested in promoting marijuana - like High Times. He does not claim to be a journalist either, and admits his bias. No problem there. People can have their opinions, but don't think that his opinions can be construed as fact. He has no "evidence", just interviews with people of dubious character. You're going to trust what Rick Ross says, and take that as gospel? Tommy Chong? The people who distorted their senses to the extreme are who you rely on their memories?

Why do you think that he is not taken seriously? Look and his website and you can see. This is a guy that has publically claimed that Gary Webb was assassinated by the government, even when the Sacramento County coronor determined that it was suicide, and his ex-wife said that Webb had been depressed for some time over his inability to get a job at another major newspaper. Webb also left suicide notes to his ex-wife, his two sons and his daughter. Yet, somehow, Kevin Booth, a man who claims that his schizophrenic brother was a major influence on his life, says he knows better, even though he had never met Webb. Maybe getting high opened up his subconcious to see what no one else could see?

ohh i don't preach what they say as gospel. there are some valid points to certain aspects of the video but trust me not all. it's like alex jones, only read into it so much and stop and if your smart and check the mainstream media you can figure it out. my father is retired military and can tell you some things of the contra and it's not good. he has lost alot of trust in our gov't and he served in the military for 22 years. honestly i don't smoke anymore except when my pinched nerve in my neck acts up and i throw up everything, then i'll sometimes smoke a little and 20 mins later i can hold down my meds and liquids and not become dehydrated. and my Dr's wanted to keep giving me meds with tylenol for pain daily and after 4 years of pleading to change it i showed signs of liver problems and a month after switching meds they were gone. i don't trust everything out there anymore and do my own research to what suits me. i don't believe everything on the news and i don't trust some aspects of our gov't since it is controlled by the federal reserve(a private bank) so take it for what it's worth there. i have necer been to his website and his brother was cracked out for sure.

also on suicides i don't know much about that guy, but dr hunter s thompson who was researching the WTC events called his wife and said he had a meeting with someone with vital info and winds up dead the next day(suicide) and i highly doubt he of all people would. also look round the time of the economy going bad there were alot of people at banks and corps, very high up the ladder too who mysteriously commited suicide. it seemed funny at the time and i wasn't there so i don't know.

[David88vert]

So, it's ok to smoke as long as it doesn't kill you, right? Psychotic episodes are ok, right?
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUST...7:b31203596:z0

[bu villain]

So, it's ok to smoke as long as it doesn't kill you, right? Psychotic episodes are ok, right?
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUST...7:b31203596:z0

ABSOLUTELY! The government shouldn't dictate what we do to our own bodies, plain and simple. If I want to eat a burger full of transfat, I should be able to. If a person wants to poison themselves with drugs, that should be their right. If they cause harm to someone else, that's when the government should get involved, not preemptively.

[BanginJimmy]

If a person wants to poison themselves with drugs, that should be their right. If they cause harm to someone else, that's when the government should get involved, not preemptively.

This particular quote just proves how stupid some people are. Heroin should be perfectly legal. They should only bother the hypes after thy kill someone to get their next fix. The dealers shouldnt be bothered as they had nothing to do with the crime.

[preferredduck]

So, it's ok to smoke as long as it doesn't kill you, right? Psychotic episodes are ok, right?
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUST...7:b31203596:z0

actually none of the episodes on here will cause a pot head to go kill someone, and 14% of who, what other things did they do, did he check their parents, relatives, know family history. paranoia was listed and cocaine causes that big time. it may have an affect on some people's chemicals in their heads but so do anti-depressants. those mess you up so bad you have to ween off of them for like 6 mos and people can drop opiate meds without dying vs anti depressants. watch your pharma commercial and side effects for lunesta include poeple sleepdriving and killing someone and hallucinations but they pump that shit out in droves. i remember when that happened actually, a man actually got in his car while sleeping and drove and ran someone over, but it's still legal. so does that count as psychotic or just crazy? i know tons of people who lose their minds while drinking and will fight a lamp, but it's legal and you can drive to a bar and get hammered. so really there are two sides to the coin here and from personal experience sometimes it helps with health issues, alcohol does not help me but herb does. i also think it's funny that several Dr's want to put me on anti depressants for pain, i tell them no thanks i have seen the wrath of that first hand. everything is bad really, i just think herb should not be treated like crack or heroin.

[preferredduck]

ABSOLUTELY! The government shouldn't dictate what we do to our own bodies, plain and simple. If I want to eat a burger full of transfat, I should be able to. If a person wants to poison themselves with drugs, that should be their right. If they cause harm to someone else, that's when the government should get involved, not preemptively.

some of your statement i can agree with, but there are certain things we all know have bad outcomes and cause crime. this is like religion to me, separate church and state and don't force things down people's throat but honestly certain drugs lead to a high crime rate, but if the gov't wants to do some good more free rehab should be avail, or if someone is a junkie on something make it like overseas where they can come get clean needles and clean stuff from the gov't and ween them off, that would keep crime down because people would be able to go there instead of robbing grandma, good comment jimmy.

[David88vert]

actually none of the episodes on here will cause a pot head to go kill someone, and 14% of who, what other things did they do, did he check their parents, relatives, know family history. paranoia was listed and cocaine causes that big time. it may have an affect on some people's chemicals in their heads but so do anti-depressants. those mess you up so bad you have to ween off of them for like 6 mos and people can drop opiate meds without dying vs anti depressants. watch your pharma commercial and side effects for lunesta include poeple sleepdriving and killing someone and hallucinations but they pump that shit out in droves. i remember when that happened actually, a man actually got in his car while sleeping and drove and ran someone over, but it's still legal. so does that count as psychotic or just crazy? i know tons of people who lose their minds while drinking and will fight a lamp, but it's legal and you can drive to a bar and get hammered. so really there are two sides to the coin here and from personal experience sometimes it helps with health issues, alcohol does not help me but herb does. i also think it's funny that several Dr's want to put me on anti depressants for pain, i tell them no thanks i have seen the wrath of that first hand. everything is bad really, i just think herb should not be treated like crack or heroin.

You have no idea what the 21 year study found. Either you didn't read it, or you are suffering from psychosis yourself.
This study was not about cocaine, or prescription drugs. It was a study on how marijuana increases the risk of psychosis - massively.

[99hatch]

I've personally known more potheads to move on to harder drugs than not. Of course, I'm fairly careful in choosing my friends, so I don't know a lot of them.
Medically, it can reduce the death of neurons - not create new ones. It does this by inhibiting their proper function. That is fact.

Evidently you dont choose your friends too well, if they are all moving on to harder drugs.

I personally dont like any harder drugs, but have tried them in college. It definitely not for me. But the Harder drugs like Cocaine, are more prevalent in the bar/party scene. Im not saying that everyone that drinks does it, im just trying to make a point.

[David88vert]

Evidently you dont choose your friends too well, if they are all moving on to harder drugs.

I personally dont like any harder drugs, but have tried them in college. It definitely not for me. But the Harder drugs like Cocaine, are more prevalent in the bar/party scene. Im not saying that everyone that drinks does it, im just trying to make a point.

Evidently you dont read too well - and that point is noted.

[bu villain]

This particular quote just proves how stupid some people are. Heroin should be perfectly legal. They should only bother the hypes after thy kill someone to get their next fix. The dealers shouldnt be bothered as they had nothing to do with the crime.

I'm sorry you feel it necessary to call me stupid because I believe in taking personal responsibility. Maybe you do, but I don't need the government being my mommy and telling me what I can eat, drink, or smoke.

Perhaps you can tell me where you think we should draw the line. Poverty causes more crime than any drug, perhaps we should make being poor illegal as well. How do you determine what is "too dangerous" and what is not?

[preferredduck]

You have no idea what the 21 year study found. Either you didn't read it, or you are suffering from psychosis yourself.
This study was not about cocaine, or prescription drugs. It was a study on how marijuana increases the risk of psychosis - massively.

no i read the article but there are some unanswered questions on there for sure. i also said it's a 2 sided coin because the same could be said for anti depressants. i mentioned those to show that it was a 2 sided coin on the debate and i see both sides for sure, no argument there.

[BanginJimmy]

Looking through my reps cause I'm bored out of my mind and came across this thread. I find it quite funny how some people's political leanings move depending on the issue.

Blender is an avid supporter of the govt running our healthcare system, yet in this thread they go on to say how bad the govt is at running anything and that the govt is rarely right, EVEN IN THEIR MEDICAL TESTING.

[BanginJimmy]

I'm sorry you feel it necessary to call me stupid because I believe in taking personal responsibility. Maybe you do, but I don't need the government being my mommy and telling me what I can eat, drink, or smoke.

Perhaps you can tell me where you think we should draw the line. Poverty causes more crime than any drug, perhaps we should make being poor illegal as well. How do you determine what is "too dangerous" and what is not?

In this country, poverty is more a result of personal choices than it is of anything else. I personally think the "War on Poverty" is nothing more than a vote buying program that only leads to more poverty.

Back on topic though, have you paid any attention to all of the violence along the US-Mexican border? I draw the line right there. There is no possible medical use for heroin and there never will be. The same is true of meth, cocaine, crack and any other drug. Each and every one of those drugs leads to rampant crime and more poverty.

[bu villain]

In this country, poverty is more a result of personal choices than it is of anything else. I personally think the "War on Poverty" is nothing more than a vote buying program that only leads to more poverty.

Back on topic though, have you paid any attention to all of the violence along the US-Mexican border? I draw the line right there. There is no possible medical use for heroin and there never will be. The same is true of meth, cocaine, crack and any other drug. Each and every one of those drugs leads to rampant crime and more poverty.

I agree much poverty is a result of personal choices (though certainly not all poverty). I also feel using drugs are a personal choice as well.

Most of the violence you see on the US/Mexico border would not exist if drugs were legal. You don't see liquor companies engaged in street wars do you?

I also want to make it clear that I do think complete legalization of all drugs would have significant consequences, but I'm not convinced they would be worse than what already occurs right now on a daily basis. I simply don't subscribe to the idea that if heroin were made legal tomorrow, everyone would go out and start taking heroin.

It's been said many times before but marijuana is a far cry from meth and crack.

[Total_Blender]

Blender is an avid supporter of the govt running our healthcare system, yet in this thread they go on to say how bad the govt is at running anything and that the govt is rarely right, EVEN IN THEIR MEDICAL TESTING.

So we should all just swallow party lines hook line and sinker? Lol that seems like a typical repuke response. One could say the same thing about repukes/teabaggers... they say they are against gov't intruding into peoples personal lives but in practice they are all for it when it comes to issues like gay marriage, MJ/MMJ, abortion, etc. To them Lassiez Faire only exists for rich conservative Christian people, and big business.

[BanginJimmy]

So we should all just swallow party lines hook line and sinker?

How is your view that govt should control all health care and your opinion that govt cannot run anything well a party line anything? Those are your opinions.

they say they are against gov't intruding into peoples personal lives but in practice they are all for it when it comes to issues like gay marriage, MJ/MMJ, abortion, etc. To them Lassiez Faire only exists for rich conservative Christian people, and big business.

You mention a couple of the issues that will assure I will never become a republican. I tend to slide a little too far to the center on many social issues. You are right about gay marriage, it is a purely religious sentiment that I have no use for. Show me some proof that the children of gay/lesbian couples are more susceptible to emotional issues related to sexual identity and I might listen, maybe even agree with an ban on g/l couples adopting children, until then shut the fuck up about it. If the carpet munchers and the fudge packers want to get married, I dont see how it can possibly affect anyone else.

MJ I dont agree with you as I think it will lead to more problems. I can definitely see it mass marketed and laced with addictive substances, just like cigs are now. I saw an interview yesterday, but I cant remember who it was. He said he would be for an experimental legalization in a couple of states over a several year period and track useage and crimes committed in relation with it. That will allow everyone, on both sides, to re-evaluate their stance.

I dont agree with abortion as birth control. I dont want to hear the lines about a woman's 'right to choose'., 'woman's reproductive health decisions'. She already made her choice, now she should suffer the consequences of those choices. The question of abortion has nothing to do with health in any way, shape, or form either. Obviously I do agree with the use of abortion in cases of rape, incest, or the health of the mother. I would also concede the use of abortion for girls under the age of 16 but only with their parent's consent.

[Total_Blender]

Where are you getting that I said specifically that the gov't can't run anything well? I just said that they are doing a piss poor job at the "war on drugs," mainly because they are going after small potatoes like MJ and MMJ instead of harder drugs like coke, meth, and heroin.

As far as a "woman's right to choose," you have to realize that no form of birth coltrol is 100% effective. The pill and IUD's are only 98.9% or whatever, condoms can break, etc. Also some people choose not use use b/c for religious reasons and use the rhythm method. Also, pregnancy does involve health risks to some people, and it also requires one to change their lifestyle and follow a strict regimen of pre-natal care, which a woman may not be ready for physically, mentally, or financially. Unwanted pregnancies are just a fact of life and its a woman's right to choose if she wants to commit to a pregnancy

I agree with you that it would be best to try legal MJ is a few states to analyze it and I think thats the way it will happen. California is headed in that direction now, the rest of the West Coast will probably follow and I don't think Obama will be as hard on them as W was. MJ is pretty much legal all over Canada now and the sky hasn't caved there that I'm aware of. The rest of the states will see that MJ is not really as big of a deal as its cracked up to be, some will adopt it but probably not all. And thats cool because we need crappy states like Utah to put the FEMA camps in.

[stillaneon]

-gateway effect
-kills brain cells
-causes cancer
-the drug war
-it makes you stupid
-it causes violence


Thats right folks,this documentary shows you why absolutely ANY argument on why pot should be illegal or stay illegal is pointless and stupid, dont believe me? Watch it!

No one can even come in here bashing, cause it doesn't matter, i KNOW whats right, if you're to ignorant to watch this movie, or even the trailer, than you mean nothing to me, and nothing you say matters.

The is not a stoner movie it is a documentary, with politicians, celebrities, government officials, it has FACTS, archival footage, it shows studies and medical journals all in favor of legalization and WHY!!

>>>>>>The Union: The Business Behind Getting High<<<<<
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1039647/

BC's illegal marijuana trade industry has evolved into a business giant, dubbed by some involved as 'The Union', Commanding upwards of $7 billion Canadian annually. With up to 85% of 'BC Bud' being exported to the United States, the trade has become an international issue. Follow filmmaker Adam Scorgie as he demystifies the underground market and brings to light how an industry can function while remaining illegal. Through growers, police officers, criminologists, economists, doctors, politicians and pop culture icons, Scorgie examines the cause and effect nature of the business - an industry that may be profiting more by being illegal.

The basic point of this documentary is to present the facts about Marijuana. It focuses less on the BC market and more on the reasons why marijuana should be viewed in the same light as alcohol and tobacco. It argues for the legalization of marijuana. The argument is compelling and factual with many legititamate sources. UNLIKE THE IGNORANT STUFF Y'ALL SPEW ON HERE
PLEASE WATCH THE TRAILER,(it opens in your browser) before you post something ignorant.
WMV...
http://www.theunionmovie.com/wmv_large.html
Quicktime....
http://www.theunionmovie.com/quicktime_large.html

WEBSITE
http://www.theunionmovie.com/TheUnionWeb.html

If you want to watch it without downloading, or buying...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...4414651731007#

Now, TRY ME?!?!?! haha, ya'll got nothing!

It can't be taxed and you cannot test for recent uses. Two main reasons right there...

[Total_Blender]

Using the logic most apply when they say MJ can't be taxed, food can't be taxed either... because anyone with 1/2 acre arable land can produce their own and sell it under the table tax free. But 99.9999999% of people who eat food just go to the grocery store and get a buggy full of processed crap.

When was the last time you heard of anyone making their own beer or liquor? Sure, people still do it (and making one's own booze is perfectly legal as long as its not sold) but bootlegging doesn't happen in sufficient numbers or quantities that the missing tax revenue is much for the authorities to worry about. For the work involved in making a batch of hooch its just cheaper and less work to go to the corner store and buy some.

You think some random stoner is gonna be able to grow decent smoke? It takes a lot of skill like telling male and female plants apart at an early stage, harvesting the product at the right time, and drying and curing it properly. Most people who smoke don't even own the land to grow it on even if they knew how to do it.

[stillaneon]

Using the logic most apply when they say MJ can't be taxed, food can't be taxed either... because anyone with 1/2 acre arable land can produce their own and sell it under the table tax free. But 99.9999999% of people who eat food just go to the grocery store and get a buggy full of processed crap.

When was the last time you heard of anyone making their own beer or liquor? Sure, people still do it (and making one's own booze is perfectly legal as long as its not sold) but bootlegging doesn't happen in sufficient numbers or quantities that the missing tax revenue is much for the authorities to worry about. For the work involved in making a batch of hooch its just cheaper and less work to go to the corner store and buy some.

You think some random stoner is gonna be able to grow decent smoke? It takes a lot of skill like telling male and female plants apart at an early stage, harvesting the product at the right time, and drying and curing it properly. Most people who smoke don't even own the land to grow it on even if they knew how to do it.

It's obviously a big enough threat to keep it illegal...

[BanginJimmy]

Where are you getting that I said specifically that the gov't can't run anything well?

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Because we all know that the government is always right.

You guys kill me... anything about raising taxes 1% is "government tyranny" and "taking our rights," but a substance that probably 80% of Americans will try in their lifetimes and 10% use on a regular basis being illegal with felony consequences is perfectly OK.

Missed this one. 80% of people in this country have stolen something or speed, should those things be legal also?

I just said that they are doing a piss poor job at the "war on drugs," mainly because they are going after small potatoes like MJ and MMJ instead of harder drugs like coke, meth, and heroin.

Actually they go after them all the same, as they should.

As far as a "woman's right to choose," you have to realize that no form of birth coltrol is 100% effective. The pill and IUD's are only 98.9% or whatever, condoms can break, etc. Also some people choose not use use b/c for religious reasons and use the rhythm method.

of course no form of birth control is 100%, that is one of the choices we make when we decide to have sex. There are only 2 ways to guarantee there will be no pregnancy, abstinence and sterilization of 1 or both partners. People that try using the rhythm, pulling out, or no birth control at all, for whatever reason they like to use, are not trying to NOT get pregnant, they are hoping they dont.

Also, pregnancy does involve health risks to some people,

And I have mentioned that abortion is perfectly fine in my mind if the life or even health, aside from normal health concerns associated with pregnancy, are in doubt.

and it also requires one to change their lifestyle and follow a strict regimen of pre-natal care, which a woman may not be ready for physically, mentally, or financially.

I dont care about their lifestyle.

Physically has already been covered under health issues.

Mentally is a slippery slope. I know quite a few women that had mental issues associated with all of the hormones of pregnancy. All were perfectly fine after the baby was born though. I also know one lady who had to be hospitalized after birth because of severe postpartum depression after she showed no signs of distress during the pregnancy. Financially is easy. If you cannot afford the baby put it up for adoption. There is no shortage of couples wanting to adopt newborns. Pass a law, or add to the existing law, that the insurance company of adoptive parents pay for the care of the birth mother. The costs would be the same as if the insured was pregnant anyways.

Unwanted pregnancies are just a fact of life and its a woman's right to choose if she wants to commit to a pregnancy

I agree that unwanted pregnancies are a way of life, 1 of my friends first kid was an unwanted pregnancy, but they did choose when they decided to have sex.