ANY argument on why marijuana should be illegal just got proven wrong

[David88vert]

no use in argueing with a wall. trust me when i say after the use of harder drugs years after pot that i noticed a big difference in my friends. also do some research into what real (not fda) scientists have to say about pot it's actually healthier than you think. this is also straight from my own Dr's mouth also and he is an MD.

98 hatch is also right that more people die from pharma than anything. hell the number one killer is tylenol, go figure. he is also correct that nobody has died from pot, except the cop and his wife a few years ago who tried it anf thought they were dying, called 911 and everything.

I am not saying that it is not healthier than alcohol or prescription drugs. We agree that in and of itself, it is better on the lungs than tobacco. However, as you yourself mentioned, users often turn to harder drugs. That is not marijuana's fault, as it is the user who chooses what they intake, but you cannot deny that the people who are willing to use marijuana have the tendency not to use better judgment, and resort to harder drugs.

There is no possible way that you can say that a person who smokes an illegal drug that there is job testing for can be practicing good judgment.

[99hatch]

I am not saying that it is not healthier than alcohol or prescription drugs. We agree that in and of itself, it is better on the lungs than tobacco. However, as you yourself mentioned, users often turn to harder drugs. That is not marijuana's fault, as it is the user who chooses what they intake, but you cannot deny that the people who are willing to use marijuana have the tendency not to use better judgment, and resort to harder drugs.

There is no possible way that you can say that a person who smokes an illegal drug that there is job testing for can be practicing good judgment.

This is false. Only 1 out of every 104 users of marijuana go on to use Cocaine. and less that 1 out of 104 use heroin or meth. I would bet that more that 1 out of 104 people who drink use cocaine. Your gateway drug "theory" is false and its the same propaganda the government has been pushing out. Just like the whole "this is your brain on drugs." The government has been saying since the 70's and 80's that pot kills brain cells. Well now they have discovered that it actually helps produce brain cells. So if it is helping you produce braincells, then smoking it will give you good judgment.

Im not saying there are not pot heads out there that smoke all day and play xbox and live in their moms basement. There are lots of em. But the fact is, these people would be sorry anyway with or without the pot. I know a guy like this. He was always sorry with pot, quit smoking, and still sorry. Wont work or get a job etc. But you would be surprised at how many people in "upper society jobs" smoke pot. Lots of Doctors, Lawyers, etc. Are they practicing good judgement? Or do they simply know more facts about pot that you dont know.

I know you want to group Marijuana in that same group with coke, meth etc. I personally am against those hard drugs as well. But pot should not be grouped into that category. It has been legal longer in this country that alcohol. But legalizing weed would make those harder drugs go way down. Because even that 1 out of 104 people that goes on to coke, he wouldnt do it if he wasnt at the dealers house and the dealer says "want to try this?" No he would buy it from a gas station like cigs and beer. More underage students try drugs way before alcohol, because it is easier to get because the dealer doesnt card you.

[David88vert]

This is false. Only 1 out of every 104 users of marijuana go on to use Cocaine. and less that 1 out of 104 use heroin or meth. I would bet that more that 1 out of 104 people who drink use cocaine. Your gateway drug "theory" is false and its the same propaganda the government has been pushing out. Just like the whole "this is your brain on drugs." The government has been saying since the 70's and 80's that pot kills brain cells. Well now they have discovered that it actually helps produce brain cells. So if it is helping you produce braincells, then smoking it will give you good judgment.

Im not saying there are not pot heads out there that smoke all day and play xbox and live in their moms basement. There are lots of em. But the fact is, these people would be sorry anyway with or without the pot. I know a guy like this. He was always sorry with pot, quit smoking, and still sorry. Wont work or get a job etc. But you would be surprised at how many people in "upper society jobs" smoke pot. Lots of Doctors, Lawyers, etc. Are they practicing good judgement? Or do they simply know more facts about pot that you dont know.

I know you want to group Marijuana in that same group with coke, meth etc. I personally am against those hard drugs as well. But pot should not be grouped into that category. It has been legal longer in this country that alcohol. But legalizing weed would make those harder drugs go way down. Because even that 1 out of 104 people that goes on to coke, he wouldnt do it if he wasnt at the dealers house and the dealer says "want to try this?" No he would buy it from a gas station like cigs and beer. More underage students try drugs way before alcohol, because it is easier to get because the dealer doesnt card you.

Please provide evidence to back up your statements from a recognized authority - not a biased agency on an agenda to legalize it.

I've personally known more potheads to move on to harder drugs than not. Of course, I'm fairly careful in choosing my friends, so I don't know a lot of them.
Medically, it can reduce the death of neurons - not create new ones. It does this by inhibiting their proper function. That is fact.

If you think that smoking pot will improve your judgment - you've just proven that you don't possess a rational thought process. It is just as inhibiting as alcohol.

I agree that a lot of potheads would still not be productive if they took no drugs at all.
I also agree that it should be treated more like alcohol, and less like harder drugs. But the fact is that our opinions do not change the fact that it is illegal. Using it cannot mean that you are showing good judgment. That is an undeniable fact.

[preferredduck]

Please provide evidence to back up your statements from a recognized authority - not a biased agency on an agenda to legalize it.

I've personally known more potheads to move on to harder drugs than not. Of course, I'm fairly careful in choosing my friends, so I don't know a lot of them.
Medically, it can reduce the death of neurons - not create new ones. It does this by inhibiting their proper function. That is fact.

If you think that smoking pot will improve your judgment - you've just proven that you don't possess a rational thought process. It is just as inhibiting as alcohol.

I agree that a lot of potheads would still not be productive if they took no drugs at all.
I also agree that it should be treated more like alcohol, and less like harder drugs. But the fact is that our opinions do not change the fact that it is illegal. Using it cannot mean that you are showing good judgment. That is an undeniable fact.

he said it pretty good about how the gateway works. i saw this first hand. show up at a buddies to get some really good stuff and he has some good coke, ex, and meth, wanna try it it's free etc etc, and the dealer doesn't card is in the video i referred to. usually when someone sells they sell many things so it is easy to get people to try new things and as my previous post stated if it's in the same category it must be the same if that's what the gov't says, they wouldn't lie would they.

[99hatch]

I've personally known more potheads to move on to harder drugs than not. Of course, I'm fairly careful in choosing my friends, so I don't know a lot of them.
Medically, it can reduce the death of neurons - not create new ones. It does this by inhibiting their proper function. That is fact.

Evidently you dont choose your friends too well, if they are all moving on to harder drugs.

I personally dont like any harder drugs, but have tried them in college. It definitely not for me. But the Harder drugs like Cocaine, are more prevalent in the bar/party scene. Im not saying that everyone that drinks does it, im just trying to make a point.

[David88vert]

Evidently you dont choose your friends too well, if they are all moving on to harder drugs.

I personally dont like any harder drugs, but have tried them in college. It definitely not for me. But the Harder drugs like Cocaine, are more prevalent in the bar/party scene. Im not saying that everyone that drinks does it, im just trying to make a point.

Evidently you dont read too well - and that point is noted.

[ISAtlanta300]

[QUOTE=99hatch;38854970] I would bet that more that 1 out of 104 people who drink use cocaine. [QUOTE]

Like they say in the movie 'half baked', you have smoked yourself retarded. So you're saying that 1 out of 104 people who drink do cocaine? Even my mom and sister who like to have a glass of wine with dinner? Even my brother and cousin who like to have a cold beer after a hard day of work? Even my grandma who likes a shot of brandy when making rumcakes?

Dude, please lay off the pipe..... killing braincells.. here's the evidence....... LOL

[preferredduck]

I am not saying that it is not healthier than alcohol or prescription drugs. We agree that in and of itself, it is better on the lungs than tobacco. However, as you yourself mentioned, users often turn to harder drugs. That is not marijuana's fault, as it is the user who chooses what they intake, but you cannot deny that the people who are willing to use marijuana have the tendency not to use better judgment, and resort to harder drugs.

There is no possible way that you can say that a person who smokes an illegal drug that there is job testing for can be practicing good judgment.

there is a section of this in the american drug war by kevin booth. basically all the commercials and education the youth gets tells them pot is just as bad as lets say meth, so after trying pot and seeing it's not bad they try meth and get hooked. that video has a very valid point. i used to smoke years ago but never tried meth, heroin, i did try i few other things but never became a junky and knew when enough was enough but when you put pot and meth in the same learning session for young people it's misleading and they try it. i know people who have smoked and never tried another drug period so it's not really a gateway drug it's all in the marketing. watch the video i referenced it will blow your mind, seriously it did mine and made alot of sense.

[David88vert]

there is a section of this in the american drug war by kevin booth. basically all the commercials and education the youth gets tells them pot is just as bad as lets say meth, so after trying pot and seeing it's not bad they try meth and get hooked. that video has a very valid point. i used to smoke years ago but never tried meth, heroin, i did try i few other things but never became a junky and knew when enough was enough but when you put pot and meth in the same learning session for young people it's misleading and they try it. i know people who have smoked and never tried another drug period so it's not really a gateway drug it's all in the marketing. watch the video i referenced it will blow your mind, seriously it did mine and made alot of sense.

You are referring to Alex Jones buddy? The same guy who claimes that the CIA pushed crack to the LA gangs? Didn't he make a mention at one point that the govenment was trying to kill off black people? That's a reliable source?

[preferredduck]

You are referring to Alex Jones buddy? The same guy who claimes that the CIA pushed crack to the LA gangs? Didn't he make a mention at one point that the govenment was trying to kill off black people? That's a reliable source?

no kevin booth never said the gov't was trying to kill black people, there is a video of a LA narcotics detective talking to the director of the CIA and basically punked him out because the CIA was trying to recruit him while "wal mart" ricky williams was selling crack. his supplier was involed with the iran contra and as he says i dont have a boat, plane etc, so i cant go get it out of the country it's brought to me. he was also warned when raids were about to happen, and that only comes from someone on the inside. also look at the numbers on how much opium came from afghan before were occupied it to present day levels. it went from like 2% to 95% since the US military has been there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT5MY3C86bk

mike ruppert and john deutch video, he is very specific on alot of issues and it the video crack is still alive and well in LA even though the gov'ts war on crack is over, it's now the war on meth from mexico!!

[David88vert]

no kevin booth never said the gov't was trying to kill black people, there is a video of a LA narcotics detective talking to the director of the CIA and basically punked him out because the CIA was trying to recruit him while "wal mart" ricky williams was selling crack. his supplier was involed with the iran contra and as he says i dont have a boat, plane etc, so i cant go get it out of the country it's brought to me. he was also warned when raids were about to happen, and that only comes from someone on the inside. also look at the numbers on how much opium came from afghan before were occupied it to present day levels. it went from like 2% to 95% since the US military has been there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT5MY3C86bk

mike ruppert and john deutch video, he is very specific on alot of issues and it the video crack is still alive and well in LA even though the gov'ts war on crack is over, it's now the war on meth from mexico!!

Kevin Booth is only lauded by those who are interested in promoting marijuana - like High Times. He does not claim to be a journalist either, and admits his bias. No problem there. People can have their opinions, but don't think that his opinions can be construed as fact. He has no "evidence", just interviews with people of dubious character. You're going to trust what Rick Ross says, and take that as gospel? Tommy Chong? The people who distorted their senses to the extreme are who you rely on their memories?

Why do you think that he is not taken seriously? Look and his website and you can see. This is a guy that has publically claimed that Gary Webb was assassinated by the government, even when the Sacramento County coronor determined that it was suicide, and his ex-wife said that Webb had been depressed for some time over his inability to get a job at another major newspaper. Webb also left suicide notes to his ex-wife, his two sons and his daughter. Yet, somehow, Kevin Booth, a man who claims that his schizophrenic brother was a major influence on his life, says he knows better, even though he had never met Webb. Maybe getting high opened up his subconcious to see what no one else could see?

[preferredduck]

Kevin Booth is only lauded by those who are interested in promoting marijuana - like High Times. He does not claim to be a journalist either, and admits his bias. No problem there. People can have their opinions, but don't think that his opinions can be construed as fact. He has no "evidence", just interviews with people of dubious character. You're going to trust what Rick Ross says, and take that as gospel? Tommy Chong? The people who distorted their senses to the extreme are who you rely on their memories?

Why do you think that he is not taken seriously? Look and his website and you can see. This is a guy that has publically claimed that Gary Webb was assassinated by the government, even when the Sacramento County coronor determined that it was suicide, and his ex-wife said that Webb had been depressed for some time over his inability to get a job at another major newspaper. Webb also left suicide notes to his ex-wife, his two sons and his daughter. Yet, somehow, Kevin Booth, a man who claims that his schizophrenic brother was a major influence on his life, says he knows better, even though he had never met Webb. Maybe getting high opened up his subconcious to see what no one else could see?

ohh i don't preach what they say as gospel. there are some valid points to certain aspects of the video but trust me not all. it's like alex jones, only read into it so much and stop and if your smart and check the mainstream media you can figure it out. my father is retired military and can tell you some things of the contra and it's not good. he has lost alot of trust in our gov't and he served in the military for 22 years. honestly i don't smoke anymore except when my pinched nerve in my neck acts up and i throw up everything, then i'll sometimes smoke a little and 20 mins later i can hold down my meds and liquids and not become dehydrated. and my Dr's wanted to keep giving me meds with tylenol for pain daily and after 4 years of pleading to change it i showed signs of liver problems and a month after switching meds they were gone. i don't trust everything out there anymore and do my own research to what suits me. i don't believe everything on the news and i don't trust some aspects of our gov't since it is controlled by the federal reserve(a private bank) so take it for what it's worth there. i have necer been to his website and his brother was cracked out for sure.

also on suicides i don't know much about that guy, but dr hunter s thompson who was researching the WTC events called his wife and said he had a meeting with someone with vital info and winds up dead the next day(suicide) and i highly doubt he of all people would. also look round the time of the economy going bad there were alot of people at banks and corps, very high up the ladder too who mysteriously commited suicide. it seemed funny at the time and i wasn't there so i don't know.