Bringing up spelling aye...your a registered democrat arent you?Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
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Voted for obama/ I still like him
Voted for McCain/ He would have done better
Voted for Obama/ should have voted McCain
Voted for McCain/ Should have voted for Obama.
I didn't vote.
Bringing up spelling aye...your a registered democrat arent you?You have PM!!!
We know your stance...and I am not going to "responce" to someone who can't spell the word!
I'm laughing at the republicans who are trying to give Bush the credit for the rise in GDP this quarter. I am sure when things do turn around it will have nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with Bush, right?
My choice for POTUS was Dennis Kucinich. After him, John Edwards. Then Hillary, then Biden, then Obama. But even though Obama was not my first choice, I still thought he was favorable over McCain, especially when he chose Sarah Palin as his running mate.
I took the serious consideration of Palin as VP to be a personal slap in the face to myself and all other academics/scholars/inetllectuals. The woman is seriously dumb, not on a folksy/populist level, but dumb as in "I can't read books" dumb.
So theres that, I was also voting againt bullshit trickle down economics and agressive foreign policy. The McCain/Palin ticket was all about escalating conflict with Russia. FUUUUUUUUCK THAT NOISE!!11!!!
As far as Obama goes, I'm indifferent to what he's done so far.
The Good:
I got some tax relief from the stimulus.
GITMO is at least not torturing people anymore. Maybe
The domestic auto industry is still hanging in there thanks to C4C and the bailouts.
Unemployment benefits were extended.
Pell Grants were raised.
I'm enjoying seeing all the self-righteous indignation from ignorant Republicans/Teabaggers/"libertarians"/Birchers/Birthers/Truthers/Deathers/gun nuts/conspiracy theorists
The Bad:
I'd really like to see more of a push for UK style single payer. Just put make medicare available to all and keep private insurance available to those who want supplemental coverage.
GITMO is still used to detain the prisoners. There are institutions in the US that could house the detainees, some in districts with unemployment pushing 20%. So the NIMBY factor is not as much of an issue as it has been before.
Speaking of GITMO, the torture there wasn't really investigated/prosecuted the way it should have been. I'd like to see Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, and those at the DOJ who were in co-operation with them dragged before a war crimes tribunal.
We're still in Iraq and Afghanistan, and now a surge is being discussed in AFGN. We need out of both places ASAFP.
The government still holds a lot of toxic assets left over from AIG etc.
The Ugly:
I'd hate to wake up next to Michelle Bachmann... ugh...
or Ann Coulter
Doesnt really matter who was put in office no one person is gonna fix this horrible thing we call an "economy" anytime soon /thread
Bingo. It would require a tremendous overhaul of our system. Think REVOLUTION. The FED has fucked us for too long and needs to be abolished. The banking system has helped destroy America (Andrew Jackson WARNED US of the evils of banks, he paid them off in what 1838 and now here we are at our knees to them). People need to WAKE THE HELL UP and not just vote on party lines. Both parties are seriously malfunctioning. The politicians only care about being re-elected, they DO NOT serve the people of this country.
Obama was given the nation in its worst state in recent memory....sadly his policies and his advisers are VERY clueless. These morons thought unemployment would top at 8%.
I'm all for Heath Care for all, sounds good in theory. The FREAKING BILL is 2000 pages long. They KNOW Americans are not going to read it.
Well I have read some, it is DISGUSTING the amount of loopholes and TAXES it will add. It will crush many small businesses.
Seriously, I go to a voting booth and I cringe b/c they are mostly all unethical twits.
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I don't care for party affiliation. I don't care if they are Dem, Rep or Alien. The Constitution needs to be protected and upheld. The higher-ups in government has been laying framework to circumvent it for decades. Republican and Democrat alike. Sadly too many people are willing to give up freedom for a warm blanket of "security". Now, I understand there are things the government has to do now because of advancements in technology. But they have stretched their tentacles into almost every facet of our lives. That's not the way it's supposed to be.
I voted for McCain because I believe he would of done a better job than Obama. Far better actually. Obama is a puppet that gets a pat on the head when he does what he is told. I still find it funny that when they were having the debates on CNN between McCain and Obama, that Obama swore withing the first six months of office he would have all troops out of Iraq. Like some of you said, he is demanding to send more. Obama is a pretty face and a good actor that's about it honestly. I don't trust him because I believe he is a snake in the grass.
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He's not a puppet...he is just very good at moving his head left and right reading the teleprompter.
You know they say the only way to get Obama to look you in the eyes when he is talking is to put a teleprompter right behind you.
I seriously LOL'd at this.
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Eh the way I look at it is either way we go right now with the idiots leading this group into the dark future is we are fucked. I'm not talking gorilla raping a Chihuahua fucked, but something worse. The idea in fight club sounds good right about now lol. I mean of course, without the whole psycho schizophrenia thing going on.
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I don't care what Obama's been saying or done - all I know is that he's one well-spoken dude.
It's a nice change.
Get your hick ass outta this thread Matt lol
You actually sound like this old guy that was my neighbor years ago before he passed.
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Now for some comic relief:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5xVRXLgLxw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqLvBUSJucg
Lol I'm reminded of something funny enough. America is the Titanic was. Supposedly, as it was deemed, the unsinkable ship. Isn't that how many millions love to think about America? That she is unstoppable, unsinkable, unbreakable? Well people, I do believe that we have hit our ice berg and we are slowly going down. Or if we haven't hit our ice berg we are about too. Then what happens? Well, we fall of course. Only, if we fall this hard, we will not be getting back up. Just sayin'....
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Only thing I can say about buying a home is GOD DAMN. I helped my mother buy a house because her credit is not so good as were mine is almost perfect. At the time we had save up 10k for a down payment on a 150k home. I was making good money for someone with just a high school diploma. 600-700 bucks a week depending on my over time. 600 a week being with none. But as luck would have it I got laid off after being there for slightly over a year. Saved most of the money I had made for a rainy day but that doesn't last long when you have bills constantly rolling in each week. So i got a job at a gas station to help some money of what I could keep coming in. After 7 months the whole staff except for the store manager of course was no longer needed. This gas station group does this about once a year and a half. Anyways, right now I can not find a job. It is not because I'm to proud to flip burgers if I have to, but more because there is literally nothing out here where I live. Unless of course, you have 5 or more plus years of experience and 4+ years of college. Like right now my mom is all that's working. she makes about 1200-1300 every two weeks. Barely enough to keep our heads above water. But we also suffer because we go hungry. We have nothing to eat here. Today we had to scrape up a couple of dollars for her to eat at work. But, just to say everything is not as bad as it seems is a joke. I know we don't have it near as bad as some people but still. Some people have it worse. Everything is not a perfect as the leaders of this country want everyone to think. Until people realize there has to be a solution to this problem nothing will be fixed or changed. Not a quick fix, not a panic move, none of that bullshit. Because as we are seeing now, that isn't working.
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Great post! I dont mean it, on your standing right now...I am right there with you. I went from 50 hours a week at $13 down to 32 hours a week, then to no job. Trying to even find a part time job right now is hard. Fuck I would love 25-30 hours a week at $9-10 an hour.
Thanks man, like you said tho. I would not mind something like that either. Hell going from $13.75/hr to $8/hr was hard enough but still supplied me with some money to get things took care of. The first job I was talking about paid me more money per week through unemployment than the other job I picked up. But unemployment doesn't last forever and sometime you can't be to proud to take what you can get to keep some money coming in. Like tomorrow I have an interview at the Wrigley gum plant up here. I was told I might only be able to get 9.75 or 10.00 per hour starting off. I told them that would be fine with me.
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I still say the movie Fight Club had some good ideas..
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cliff notes from page 3 to now
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O and btw about the statement saying:
1. With Obama we hit the wall at 85 mph.
2. With McCain we hit the wall at 55 mph.
We when I was 17, I was running about 70-75 ish on a 35 Mph road in the rain. Hydroplaned in a curve and slammed into a bank head on flipped and hit a power pole in the air. Anyway, the point being. I wish I would of hit the bank, which was my wall, a little slower.
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i think that's a pretty obvious fucking statement there matt.
Well you know how some people on here are. Some you can tell them the answer in a question and they still scratch their heads.
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yea but the way echonova put it, you'd have to be in the womb to not get it.
Shit I wish I was still in the damn womb. All nice and cozy. Don't have to do shit lol.
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I just want someone to explain to me using facts how the 1.2 trillion healthcare bill will help us. Tony I won't lie, I'm not reading that whole fucking thread to find your one answer.
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And herein lies part of the problem we have today in society and thank you for your honesty. Rather than take the time and understand people want the answer to be given to them. You have some strong opinions to not have taken the time to see the other side of the argument.
that's a stupid thing to say tony. That's like obama showing up to a debate and then when asked for a rebuttal he says "refer to my dissertation, in which i have answered all of these questions."
I'm amazed that the article you quoted even used Reagan to validate their point, its well known how much the National Debt grew under Reagan yet the article states that revenues increased.
No doubt there is a sweet spot where taxation is too excessive and a point where it is too lax. The tax cuts under Bush, the rising deficit and expansion of government tells me that the tax rate at that time was too lax. Can't justify it when it contributed to the problem we are currently in.
Ronald Reagan increased the deficit by 35 percent in eight years, whereas Barack Obama has increased the deficit by 450 percent in eight weeks. Reagan created an extra $37 billion in annual deficit. Obama has already created an extra $1.4 trillion in annual deficit.
IE basically saying $.01 out of $100
lol I know I've posted on this before, so I'll brb with what i posted.
i think tony put me on ignore because i kept pummeling his statements?
The big almighty savior Obama that was supposed to deliver us from all bad things as some have said, has done absolutely jack shit for me. Including his waste of billions.
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As far as the deficit goes, notice a pattern here? Unmistakenable pattern.. I do find it funny that a post from a year ago is relevant to a discussion we're having today.. proof that the same issues get brought up over and over with no objective resolve in the conversation, just repititous information.
Now.. with those figures I have to concede the point on Federal Spending with Obama.. it is astronomically high for a fiscal year budget. No excuses, no passes.This is info from the Heritage Foundation, a conservative group.Since the 1960s, deficits driven largely by increased levels of spending have been the norm, while surpluses were an exception. The current 2008 deficit projection — 2.9 percent of GDP — is slightly above the 45-year historical average of 2.8 percent of GDP.
Average Federal Deficit as a Percentage of GDP, by Administration
Federal Spending Has Increased Steadily Regardless of Congressional Leadership
Real annual federal spending has more than tripled since 1965 and has nearly doubled since 1980.
Total Federal Spending, in Billions,1965–2008
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I have no problems with the spending as long as its going into schools, healthcare, roads and bridges, etc etc. Projects that keep people working and keep money circulating. Keynesian economics.
What I do have a problem with is spending money on such a gigantic defense budget. Defense is at 21.6% (DOD + war on terror) while health and social services is 2.30% and education is at 7.32%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fy...ycategory2.png
If you add up the defense spending of the entire world, the US is paying HALF.
Very good post and another topic at hand, fiscal responsibility. However again, to get out the recession, we need to cut taxes, not bailout banks.
Clinton didn't do it by himself, the Republican led Newt Congress got it passed as well. I wish we could get those guys back in office.
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Repubs didn't come in till 96, Clinton's second term. Actually Clinton can thank H.W Bush, remember "Read my lips, no new taxes." Then he raised taxes? Yeah, that was the reason he didnt get reelected but the increase catapulted the economy..
Also I am amazed that no one has brought up Obama going to congress over trying to raise the national debt ceiling?
Tony, I think you're missing my point. The healthcare will do nothing good, and I've yet to hear one thing it does that IS good.
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How about researching the subject before forming an opinion? The problem is you're waiting to hear something instead of seeking the information yourself. I state this because I was a strong opponent of Universal Healthcare, hated the idea and I had the same arguments a lot of you had. Then I started researching, I talked to people who live in a system where there is Universal coverage and it changed my outlook on the subject. I never would have changed had I not sought the information and expected someone to come to me with it.
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