POLL: Obama - your take now?

[Atlblkz06]

Hey guys,

Its been a while since I've posted but I need your help on this poll. I was curious how you guys feel about our president now that he has been in office for a year.

Love em?/ Hate em? Vote and tell me why. (blind poll so fess up lol)

If you care to, drop in a line on these hot topics:

* American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) - $787B "buy-in" plan
* Socialized health care bill (opt-out penalty?)
* Winning the Nobel peace prize
* Energy policiy (smart grid)
* Foreign Policy
* whatever else you can think of.

Also, I'm not looking for arguments, just a quick poll n go.

[Bajjani]

Hey guys,

Its been a while since I've posted but I need your help on this poll. I was curious how you guys feel about our president now that he has been in office for a year.

Love em?/ Hate em? Vote and tell me why.

If you care to, drop in a line on these hot topics:

* American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) - $787B "buy-in" plan
* Socialized health care bill (opt-out penalty?)
* Winning the Nobel peace prize
* Energy policiy (smart grid)
* Foreign Policy
* whatever else you can think of.

He sucks ass, I didn't like him to begin with, but I'm not debating politics again today.

[Hundo®]

He sucks ass, I didn't like him to begin with, but I'm not debating politics again today.

+++

and nobel peace prize? wtf is that crap. for what?! why in gods name did he win that?

can't stand him still.

[S2KJD]

hahaha agreed or least im not reading through it all again today!

[MachNU]

Come on give the man some credit....He's a born american...oh wait no he wasnt, well he did stop the war....oh wait nevermind he's asking to send more troops, well he cut spend....oh wait nevermind he's spent more in 8 months than most previous presidents did in 4 years, hell he is trying to get more bi-part....oh wait no he's not, he jumps when the dem. party say's jump, well he's trying to be more eco friend....oh wait he took Air Force one to all sorts of pointless places, spending tons of tax payers money and not really helping with polution, OH I KNOW I KNOW....he gives great speaches....oh wait nevermind he cant talk unless a teleprompter is in front of him, He did win the Nobel Peace prize.....oh wait all that was for "strengthen international diplomacy"

well fuck I got nothing....

[amandDA]

Come on give the man some credit....He's a born american...oh wait no he wasnt, well he did stop the war....oh wait nevermind he's asking to send more troops, well he cut spend....oh wait nevermind he's spent more in 8 months than most previous presidents did in 4 years, hell he is trying to get more bi-part....oh wait no he's not, he jumps when the dem. party say's jump, well he's trying to be more eco friend....oh wait he took Air Force one to all sorts of pointless places, spending tons of tax payers money and not really helping with polution, OH I KNOW I KNOW....he gives great speaches....oh wait nevermind he cant talk unless a teleprompter is in front of him, He did win the Nobel Peace prize.....oh wait all that was for "strengthen international diplomacy"

well fuck I got nothing....

best thing ive read all day

[S2KJD]

Come on give the man some credit....He's a born american...oh wait no he wasnt, well he did stop the war....oh wait nevermind he's asking to send more troops, well he cut spend....oh wait nevermind he's spent more in 8 months than most previous presidents did in 4 years, hell he is trying to get more bi-part....oh wait no he's not, he jumps when the dem. party say's jump, well he's trying to be more eco friend....oh wait he took Air Force one to all sorts of pointless places, spending tons of tax payers money and not really helping with polution, OH I KNOW I KNOW....he gives great speaches....oh wait nevermind he cant talk unless a teleprompter is in front of him, He did win the Nobel Peace prize.....oh wait all that was for "strengthen international diplomacy"

well fuck I got nothing....

haha you will be +repped tomorrow when i have more to give out

[IMPORTchic]

I voted McCain but for a hypocritical reason on my part really. I was not about ready to vote for Obama. Dont like him or his ideas for the most part yet believe he is doing an okay job with helping the US. His stimulus packages etc sure did pull through fast, but its not like he is the only one behind those. Without congress backing and voting them, they would have fell through as anything would. Guess that is what you get with a mostly democratic congress. The reason I feel that I am a hypocrite for voting for McCain is b/c I was okay with some of his ideas, yet I voted him b/c I KNEW Obama would win due to all of the ignorant low life ppl coming out of the woodwork just to vote for him due to his race. I was just trying to level things out as I know a good many ppl did. Obviously that backfired. haha I just think the US has got in WAYY too much economical trouble and nothing drastic is going to change right now. I dont know too much in depth about all the new hot topics to really comment, but I do feel something is going right seeing that GDP has rose like 3.4% since last quarter. That doesn't just happen coming out of a recession without someone doing work. I know that it is going to take quite some time to get unemployent/inflation/etc back to normal, but I feel that things are headed in the right direction. I do not know much about the health bill, but from what I do know, I do not agree with it. As far as the Nobel Peace Prize...WTF!! Really?!

Just my , take it or leave it.

More I think about it. I really dont care for him, but it is what it is. He is our president. *shivers*

[MachNU]

I voted McCain but for a hypocritical reason on my part really. I was not about ready to vote for Obama. Dont like him or his ideas for the most part yet believe he is doing an okay job with helping the US. His stimulus packages etc sure did pull through fast, but its not like he is the only one behind those. Without congress backing and voting them, they would have fell through as anything would. Guess that is what you get with a mostly democratic congress. The reason I feel that I am a hypocrite for voting for McCain is b/c I was okay with some of his ideas, yet I voted him b/c I KNEW Obama would win due to all of the ignorant low life ppl coming out of the woodwork just to vote for him due to his race. I was just trying to level things out as I know a good many ppl did. Obviously that backfired. haha I just think the US has got in WAYY too much economical trouble and nothing drastic is going to change right now. I dont know too much in depth about all the new hot topics to really comment, but I do feel something is going right seeing that GDP has rose like 3.4% since last quarter. That doesn't just happen coming out of a recession without someone doing work. I know that it is going to take quite some time to get unemployent/inflation/etc back to normal, but I feel that things are headed in the right direction. I do not know much about the health bill, but from what I do know, I do not agree with it. As far as the Nobel Peace Prize...WTF!! Really?!

Just my , take it or leave it.

More I think about it. I really dont care for him, but it is what it is. He is our president. *shivers*

You do realize that any of Obama's Stimulus plans wont really be seen or have an affect until probably late 2010 or early 2011. What you where referring to is the ones that Bush passed in 07/08. It generally takes a few years before the effect's of any stimulus plan is felt.

[Echonova]

You do realize that any of Obama's Stimulus plans wont really be seen or have an affect until probably late 2010 or early 2011. What you where referring to is the ones that Bush passed in 07/08. It generally takes a few years before the effect's of any stimulus plan is felt.

I'm sure you realize that is because most of the money isn't slated to be spent until right before the 2010 election... Also if they passed universal health care tomorrow it won't take effect until after the Presidential election is over... Conidecdence? I think not.

[MachNU]

Voted for Obama, still like him, even more than before.

Curious, but where things you voted on him for? IE what where promises/ideas from his campign that you believed in, and that he has done anything about?

I'm sure you realize that is because most of the money isn't slated to be spent until right before the 2010 election... Also if they passed universal health care tomorrow it won't take effect until after the Presidential election is over... Conidecdence? I think not.

Oh I agree. I have said it before. Everyone though Bush did a terrible job, because anything Clinton did fell over into Bush'es term's. Anything Clinton did came from Bush Sr. term...so on and so fourth. Hell thats why the Stimulus effects we saw for a brief time where due to Bush'es plans. Now where just fucked with Obama. Or at least the next preident in 2012 is FUCKED.

[Hundo®]

Curious, but where things you voted on him for? IE what where promises/ideas from his campign that you believed in, and that he has done anything about?

beat me to the punch. i can't imagine someone saying they voted for obama because of the things he said he would do, and they're satisfied with him because he fulfilled those things. total rubbish. healtcare is clearly on it's way to being fulfilled unfortunately, but he has not done even a hair of what he said he would otherwise.

[IMPORTchic]

You do realize that any of Obama's Stimulus plans wont really be seen or have an affect until probably late 2010 or early 2011. What you where referring to is the ones that Bush passed in 07/08. It generally takes a few years before the effect's of any stimulus plan is felt.

Yes, and no. Like I said, I dont know enough to stick my nose in it too deep. I am still young and have not been involved that many years. I can only go on what I read online, and what my econ teachers have taught me past few years. They feel that he is doing the best job possible right now minus the healthcare deal. I dont know that anyone else could have done much better. The economy was already sliding previous to this from overspending and deceptive monotary policy and such. We shall just see. *crosses fingers*

I feel like this whole govt system is corrupt period.

[Echonova]

Where the "I voted for McCain but I hated only having two choices, but I went for the lesser of two evils" choice?

[MachNU]

Where the "I voted for McCain but I hated only having two choices, but I went for the lesser of two evils" choice?

I think that fall's into "I voted for McCain, because he could have done a better job!"

[Echonova]

I think that fall's into "I voted for McCain, because he could have done a better job!"

Not really, this is the way I look at it...

You are in a car heading for a brick wall.

With Obama driving you will hit the wall at 80mph
With McCain driving you will hit the wall at 55mph

Either way... you're hitting the wall. Question is how fast do you want to get there?

[Hundo®]

Not really, this is the way I look at it...

You are in a car heading for a brick wall.

With Obama driving you will hit the wall at 80mph
With McCain driving you will hit the wall at 55mph

Either way... you're hitting the wall. Question is how fast do you want to get there?

best analogy ever. and exactly why i went for mccain.

[IMPORTchic]

best analogy ever. and exactly why i went for mccain.

X's 2!!!! That is just the normal republican approach anyways. lol

[MachNU]

Not really, this is the way I look at it...

You are in a car heading for a brick wall.

With Obama driving you will hit the wall at 80mph
With McCain driving you will hit the wall at 55mph

Either way... you're hitting the wall. Question is how fast do you want to get there?

Thats what I mean...the better is the degree in speed.

[Echonova]

Thats what I mean...the better is the degree in speed.

Better would having the choice of having a guy that would hit the fucking brakes.

[Elbow]

Voted for Obama, still like him, even more than before.

[MachNU]

Funny Echo you should compare it to speed. Here is an interesting, and very insightful video of a guy doing the same thing, explaining it via mph.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5yxFtTwDcc

[Echonova]

Funny Echo you should compare it to speed. Here is an interesting, and very insightful video of a guy doing the same thing, explaining it via mph.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5yxFtTwDcc

Yea, I'm on my mobile broadband card right now... I'll watch it when I get in the hotel tonight.

[Bajjani]

Funny Echo you should compare it to speed. Here is an interesting, and very insightful video of a guy doing the same thing, explaining it via mph.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5yxFtTwDcc

Wow...that video is cool but depressing.

[MachNU]

Wow...that video is cool but depressing.

Watch some of his other video's, the guy is pretty dam smart, in how he explains things.

[Bajjani]

Health care bill = sad sad day for America

[Bajjani]

http://www.youtube.com/user/10000Pen.../0/70lkobYY0Hc

I thought that one was funny.

[MachNU]

http://www.youtube.com/user/10000Pen.../0/70lkobYY0Hc

I thought that one was funny.

Had not seen that one yet...but holy crap is that guy smart!

[Atlblkz06]

Smart maybe, I am very careful about such videos.
There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics

I'm not saying they're wrong - but I want to see the actual numbers and come to the conclusion based on fact - not some dude's interpretation.

[MachNU]

Smart maybe, I am very careful about such videos.
There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics

I'm not saying they're wrong - but I want to see the actual numbers and come to the conclusion based on fact - not some dude's interpretation.

actually his numbers are pretty dam close, if you actually go back and research them

[Atlblkz06]

actually his numbers are pretty dam close, if you actually go back and research them

I'm not talking about just the numbers. Thats exactly my problem with it.

The video conveniently ignores the fact that we're in the worst recession since the great depression. Show me how the video accounts for this small fact! If the govt did nothing, we'd all be screwed.

[MachNU]

Bingo. It would require a tremendous overhaul of our system. Think REVOLUTION. The FED has fucked us for too long and needs to be abolished. The banking system has helped destroy America (Andrew Jackson WARNED US of the evils of banks, he paid them off in what 1838 and now here we are at our knees to them). People need to WAKE THE HELL UP and not just vote on party lines. Both parties are seriously malfunctioning. The politicians only care about being re-elected, they DO NOT serve the people of this country.

Obama was given the nation in its worst state in recent memory....sadly his policies and his advisers are VERY clueless. These morons thought unemployment would top at 8%.

I'm all for Heath Care for all, sounds good in theory. The FREAKING BILL is 2000 pages long. They KNOW Americans are not going to read it.

Well I have read some, it is DISGUSTING the amount of loopholes and TAXES it will add. It will crush many small businesses.

Seriously, I go to a voting booth and I cringe b/c they are mostly all unethical twits.

I will agree with most of that post. Like I previously said, Obama got it bad. Granted yes the prior presidents term had to deal with rough stuff, 9/11, the war, the failing economy, but by 07/08 we where steadly creeping up. Obama is taking what was already slowly, and very very surely correcting itself, fucking with it some more, and basically putting the final nail in the coffin. The only way the economy is going to fix itself its by the masses, not the government.

I'm not talking about just the numbers. Thats exactly my problem with it.

The video conveniently ignores the fact that we're in the worst recession since the great depression. Show me how the video accounts for this small fact! If the govt did nothing, we'd all be screwed.

No if you actually watch them the guy referrs to the great depression in one.

[1SICKLEX]

I will agree with most of that post. Like I previously said, Obama got it bad. Granted yes the prior presidents term had to deal with rough stuff, 9/11, the war, the failing economy, but by 07/08 we where steadly creeping up. Obama is taking what was already slowly, and very very surely correcting itself, fucking with it some more, and basically putting the final nail in the coffin. The only way the economy is going to fix itself its by the masses, not the government.
.

I agree. My stance is CUT TAXES. That immediately gives businesses and people money to spend or invest. If we are going to have a damn deficit, well instead of bailout out these companies, GIVE US TAX BREAKS.

The tax code is way to complicated and we pay to much. If you are wealthy and don't have an accountant, you are screwed.

[1SICKLEX]

I'm not talking about just the numbers. Thats exactly my problem with it.

The video conveniently ignores the fact that we're in the worst recession since the great depression. Show me how the video accounts for this small fact! If the govt did nothing, we'd all be screwed.

The government did NOTHING during the past decade. There was NO REGULATION. Its like they never passed Sarbanes Oxley. The numbers DID NOT ADD UP. Anyone who tried to warn dumbass Greenspan was told STFU.

Bush AND Obama should have let Capitalism take its course. Let those greedy, unethical banks and financial institutions fall. Those that were in better shape would take advantage and the people would win.

This too big to fail is utter bullcrap. They simply privatize gains and socialize losses to the American people.

These idiots tried to have bullshit computer models trick the system. YOU CANNOT TRICK THE ECONOMY. Did they really think the economy would rise every year? They tried to prevent the bubble from bursting with dumbass low interest rates.

They let it happen b/c the elected officials sleep with big business.

[MachNU]

The government did NOTHING during the past decade. There was NO REGULATION. Its like they never passed Sarbanes Oxley. The numbers DID NOT ADD UP. Anyone who tried to warn dumbass Greenspan was told STFU.

Bush AND Obama should have let Capitalism take its course. Let those greedy, unethical banks and financial institutions fall. Those that were in better shape would take advantage and the people would win.

This too big to fail is utter bullcrap. They simply privatize gains and socialize losses to the American people.

These idiots tried to have bullshit computer models trick the system. YOU CANNOT TRICK THE ECONOMY. Did they really think the economy would rise every year? They tried to prevent the bubble from bursting with dumbass low interest rates.

They let it happen b/c the elected officials sleep with big business.

Agreed. Or the same thing as giving into Unions at most major car manufactor plant.

[Atlblkz06]

The government did NOTHING during the past decade. There was NO REGULATION. Its like they never passed Sarbanes Oxley. The numbers DID NOT ADD UP. Anyone who tried to warn dumbass Greenspan was told STFU.

Bush AND Obama should have let Capitalism take its course. Let those greedy, unethical banks and financial institutions fall. Those that were in better shape would take advantage and the people would win.

This too big to fail is utter bullcrap. They simply privatize gains and socialize losses to the American people.

These idiots tried to have bullshit computer models trick the system. YOU CANNOT TRICK THE ECONOMY. Did they really think the economy would rise every year? They tried to prevent the bubble from bursting with dumbass low interest rates.

They let it happen b/c the elected officials sleep with big business.

I'm a little confused about what you're saying but - do you think a ZERO Regulation policy will work? Umm yea do you remember ENRON? People will will lie, cheat, steal - anything to get that money!

The problem is - those greedy institutions may have died - but they GOT AWAY WITH OUR DAMN MONEY! People were too stupid to see that they cant afford a 400k house with a 50k salary - I mean WTF! These institutions will come and go and drain us if they're not stopped.

The only alternative to regulation is - public education?

SOX - stuff is a ROYAL pain in the ass. I gotta deal with that crap since I'm in technical business consulting. But it opens up the books for inspection - so Enron 2.0 can be avoided. I dont know how that can be a bad thing.

Another point - if the govt let everyone weak fail - our unemployment would be twice as much - it'd cause a cyclic effect and cause our economy (which is based on consumer spending) to unravel. At that point we'd have foreign investors swooping up everything - thats the end of the US as a superpower. Actually wait thats kinda happening already.

Unrestricted capitalism is like saying : Hey do you wanna kick me in the balls?

[1SICKLEX]

Its clear why we (the country) are where we are reading many of these responses......

They are all politicians...if you really think one is that much better than the other, I have some beachfront property to sell you in Iowa....

I strongly suggest reading our history and not just reading from links/sources and talking to people you agree with.

[MachNU]

Its clear why we (the country) are where we are reading many of these responses......

They are all politicians...if you really think one is that much better than the other, I have some beachfront property to sell you in Iowa....

I strongly suggest reading our history and not just reading from links/sources and talking to people you agree with.

Judging by your responce you did not read alot of the responces to this thread.

[Echonova]

I have some beachfront property to sell you in Iowa....

PM me pics and your asking price.

[1SICKLEX]

PM me pics and your asking price.

You have PM!!!

Judging by your responce you did not read alot of the responces to this thread.

We know your stance...and I am not going to "responce" to someone who can't spell the word!