THE PRESIDENT WINS NOBEL PEACE PRIZE

[tony]

LOL missed the point again.

Can you not see the handwriting on the wall. His approval ratings have dropped 20 points in 9 months. WHY? Dont tell me its because people WISH him to fail or WANT him to fail.

Its because people dont trust what he is doing. Unemployment is still climbing despite his promise it wouldnt. The economy is still struggling even though he said STIM 1 would rescue us. Healthcare is nowhere near done even though he said "BY SEPTEMBER " we would have a vote.

Everything he has promised has NOT BEEN DONE. Thats lack of confidence in your leaders, plain and simple.

QUOTE ME NOW

This time next year his approval ratings will be BELOW 45% as unemployment climbs and the economy drags on. ESPECIALLY if he gets his wish with healthcare

Im not wishing for his failure, i just know its coming

Show me a president that maintained their approval rating for a year, it doesn't happen especially when you're starting at 70%. If 53% is lack of confidence (where Obama is at now) then what is the 32% that Bush had? Absolute disdain? As it was said before, you're not going to satisfy everyone and honestly, the only ratings that matter to me are the results of that election in November every 4 years. The pushback on health reform is reason enough for me not to care about public opinion.

Even if he was still at 70% im sure you'd be saying its his celebrity status and nothing to do with his presidency so this approval rating discussion is moot.

[BanginJimmy]

The pushback on health reform is reason enough for me not to care about public opinion.

So you believe it is Congress's job to push their agenda no matter what their constituency says? That does sound a lot like the dems way of passing this healthcare bill.

Even if he was still at 70% im sure you'd be saying its his celebrity status and nothing to do with his presidency so this approval rating discussion is moot.

I agree and disagree. First off, polls are all biased. If MSNBC does a poll, they will concentrate their poll in liberal areas. FOX does the opposite. They will poll primarily conservative areas. Secondly, going back to those polls, alot of people are saying they dont agree with his policies, but do approve of him. How is that even possible?

[tony]

So you believe it is Congress's job to push their agenda no matter what their constituency says? That does sound a lot like the dems way of passing this healthcare bill.

I believe the majority do not always know what is in their best interest, case and point the fact that there was similar pushback on segregation.. or for women to have the right to vote. I think when we look back 10 or 20 years from now at the current healthcare system people will wonder why we didnt do anything sooner.

[BanginJimmy]

I believe the majority do not always know what is in their best interest,

SO you believe that just because someone is in congress they are smarter than anyone else? You really do drink the kool-aid. Name just ONE thing the US Govt has not screwed up when it got its hands on it. When you realize that you cant come up with one, think out those same people deciding what kind of health coverage you are allowed to get for your family and yourself. THEY will decide what procedures you are allowed to get based on costs and what you contribute to society. Remember, this is the same administration that brought back the VA death book.

I think when we look back 10 or 20 years from now at the current healthcare system people will wonder why we didnt do anything sooner.

Why do you say this? The English have nationalized healthcare and hate it. The same is true of the French and Germans. The same countries that have these nationalized healthcare systems are the ones that have their citizens that can afford it coming to the US for medical care.



No one is doubting that we need to make some changed to healthcare as a whole, but dumping the best system in the world for one that doesnt work doesnt seem all that smart. It actually sounds pretty damn stupid if you ask me. They say they want to use competition to lower prices, yet none of their proposals will do anything to lower costs, if anything they will raise costs on all but the govt plan. Funny how that works huh. People that want a single payer system are writing these bills, They know they cant get one by calling it a single payer system so they are content in doing it more slowly.

How about expanding competition by allowing you to buy policies from across state borders? How about lowering prices with tort reform? How about ending the cost shifting policies by fighting medicare fraud and using that money to actually pay the real price of a medical procedure? These are all plans brought forward by republicans that have been killed without a vote by dems. The simple fact is that Dems want a nationalized, and eventually single payer, plan and will stop at nothing to get it.

[tony]

Name just ONE thing the US Govt has not screwed up when it got its hands on it.

Brown vs. the Board of Education. I have a list of them if you really really want it. Obviously discrimination couldn't be handled on the state level, the fed had to step in.

[BanginJimmy]

Brown vs. the Board of Education. I have a list of them if you really really want it. Obviously discrimination couldn't be handled on the state level, the fed had to step in.

I guess I need to be more clear so you can't sidestep the question. Name 1 thing that Congress has not screwed up.

[tony]

I guess I need to be more clear so you can't sidestep the question. Name 1 thing that Congress has not screwed up.

I answered the question, congress is just one facet of government, you still have the judicial and executive branch that has just as much authority.

Just like brown v. The 1964 civil rights act passed by congress was historical for obvious reasons.