i guess this doesn't surprise me at all...
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=911911&page=1
Obama's "impartial" town hall meeting...
i guess this doesn't surprise me at all...
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=911911&page=1
Obama donors showing up to his town hall? Shocking!
Its obvious the girl is reading from a card, someone probably helped her prepare the question.
The girl asked about the protesters... give her the benefit of the doubt, if the right actually had anything to offer this debate other than asshattery you all might be able to convert her.
the girls mother was a huge $$$ contributer to obama's campaign so the little girl has been to every townhall he has done so believe me he knew her name. I would love obama to show up to a townhall meeting like the senators have been attending where not everyone is prescreened to be an obama ass kisser:idb:Originally Posted by Total_Blender
Of course Obama's townhalls are going to be more tame, the secret service wouldn't risk putting him in front of an openly hostile crowd. Hell, they arrested a guy with a knife on him and an illegal handgun in his truck at Obama's town hall yesterday. The town hall was at a high school, so not only is the guy in trouble with the Secret Service (cavity search, anyone?) but he's also in trouble locally because its illegal to have knives and guns on school property.
THe problem isnt having an OBAMA supporter there, the problem is she was PLANTED.
Look i dont care if theres people out there that support the health care plan he is pushing. But Town Halls are supposed to be open to anyone. They planted this little girl whose mother is a big time Obama supporter, to do 2 things
1) Give a childs face to the cause and make it look like the "big bad republicans" are protesting out side and oh my god gee willigers why is that so Mr . Obama.
2) Gave Obama a chance to shift the meeting to blaming the republicans.
If you cant see that your head is so far up Obamas ass i cant help you. The Town Halls are hostile, its people FED up with the lies and bullshit that Washington DC is feeding us, and they want the truth, not campaign speeches. Obama wouldnt dare put himself in a situation he cant control.
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When has a president ever had a town hall that wasn't scripted, or at least managed in a fashion that the president won't be asked anything crazy?
Given the hostile environment at the Specter and McCaskel town halls last week, I am not surprised at all that the town hall was "scripted" or whatever. You're just not going to get a chance to disrespect the president in public. At all. The secret service will see to that.
Blender is right. After the last couple of times Obama went off teleprompter he looked like an ass they had to make sure that it didn't happen again. His image is already hurt because of Gates and healthcare, he cannot risk another hit.
They say that the president himself has not seen the questions, but that doesn't mean that his staff haven't seen them.
He hasn't been telepromptering at the town halls.
Everyone in politics uses teleprompters. Conservatives use them as well, so its not like the Right has any moral ground on this issue.
You think your right wing "commentators" don't have some kind of scrolling text they are reading from? You think they don't have a team of people helping them write their monologues, screening their calls, etc?
no one's saying that both sides don't have teleprompters or script writers. however, the difference is that when bush was in office, everyone knew he was a dumbass that couldn't speak worth a shit and needed every bit of help he could get.
but obama, from day 1, has tried to pass himself off as some sort of smooth talking, eloquent genius. well this event, along with others recently, has outted him as being no better than bush in a lot of ways.
oh of course. just tired of the bs "image."
can't remember the senators name but at her townhall meeting yesterday she asked who has medicare and 80% raised their hands and then she asked who wants it to change and all most all put their hands down, but at obama's the image is portrayed that all americans are on board cause yes all attending are preselected but not all get that who are watching...
i should just delete my post above cause im with this guy
It was Sentaor McCaskel and that was in response to some snotty "libertarian" comment about how "the government can't do anything right". The Senator totally proved that idiot wrong lol.
He's far from the only politician to take screened questions. This "incident" doesn't really proven anything one way or the other about his eloquence as a speaker or his "genius". Bush couldn't even handle a "gimme" question like that without screwing up.
Bush also wasn't on a teleprompter at all times.
No one has been as dependant on teleprompter as Obama.
I don't know why I bother with you. You will never see a fault with your Savior Obama.
Any time he doesn't he sounds like tard, Worse than bush ever dreamed of sounding.
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This really shows the great orator at his finest moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc
Point and counter point, Thank you.
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his town hall meeting didn't have people asking really good questions and his answers were shaky and he never really answered them. i am going to my local town hall meeting in 4 days and im taking my camcorder.
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I'd love to go to the town hall with my rep but i honestly don't think i could stomach sitting through 4 hrs of listening to David Scott scream b/c no one will listen to him. I have already gotten into it with his office in the past for putting signs in my yard without asking on 4 different occasions.
I guess at least the president was more courteous than this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L3FnWNkIzU
oh my lulz...
She is divorcing and unemployed and she does NOT want a government solution.
So I take it she won't be choosing to receive unemployment compensation then?
One thing I will nitpick about Obama's stance on healthcare is that he's pretty much guaranteeing people that they can keep their existing plans. But really, the details with particular plans are up to employers/insurance companies. So people can keep their plans as long as the employers choose to provide them. But most insurance plans are raising premiums and cutting coverage, I know the insurance here did that last year (before the election, mind you). I was going to sign up for insurance... before they pulled a dick move on us.
So while we are getting the rug pulled out from under us by our insurance, we're also getting furloughs, which puts me even urther away from getting private insurance. So a public option, or some kind of subsidy voucher would be awesome in my particular case.
The people I really feel bad for are those here who make less than I do and have families to support. Between the furloughs, the rising costs of insurance, and the inflation rate, these people have been pretty much thrown to the wolves.
The main cost saving points of the bill are compromises with the insurance companies and drug companies that end government subsidies payed out to big pharma and big insurance. That will cut something like 80 billion, and the rest of the money is money that is already in the system... just shuffled around. They are saying it won't increase the deficit.
Anyway, the status quo is just not a sustainable option. And I don't see how the Teabaggers/Astroturfers/Deathers add anything to the debate except empty rhetoric about how "government is bad" and misimpretations of the Constitution that forget the commerce clause or the elastic clause.
Unemployment benefits are payed for by the unemployment insurance taxes that EMPLOYERS pay... Just fyi
And the costs associated with the program are paid for by the same funds the EMPLOYER paid... Not the General fund. Employers are charged a percentage and are also charged administrative fees on top of the base. That percentage is calculated based on the claims and wages paid. These taxes are collected by both the state and the feds (SUTA and FUTA).
I disapprove of this health care bill. I still like Obama, but like all politicians they're for the people/companies that have their wallets open. Thats why there has been no regulation of banks even though he preach that he would bring regulation back to banking.
The republicans know how to get their base active, just use these scary words like Gay marriage, 9-11, Mexicans, abortions and etc. To me this would be a great opportunity for them to shine if they proposed atleast some kind of idea to reform health care. Whether you're for this bill or not, I think we all can come to together and say that we need some kind of health care reform. The fucking politics is killing this country.
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This is 100% non debatable truth. I wouldn't try to argue this as he and I obviously own businesses and knows the procedure. The government only takes the claims amd distributes the money that the Employers pay in. You as a regular tax payer do not provide funding towards unemployment. Besides the fact that until Obama is not helping unemployment at all. Everyday more and more people are losing their jobs. Now come on and try to argue that! I dare you. If you try to argue it I want you to provide real links showing where employment is on the rise, not just give some opinionated argument. We need more real facts to try and get peoples heads out of Obama's ass so far you are blinded.
Sorry to thread jack. Just felt I needed to state that.
The part of the stimulus that went to unemployment was to make the benefits last longer. Up to 18 months not the standard 6. (Which to me is beyond ridiculous!)
I'm sure she would not want medicaid for her kids, for one her soon to be ex-husband probably has to maintain coverage for the children, and for two who wants to have to deal with the drama and bs it takes to have children on medicaid.
The welfare system is a failure always has been. I understand people needing help to get on their feet in the event of a loss of income, but there comes a point when enough is enough. The states should go to a welfare to work type system that gives people the option of getting a job to begin transitioning off the system or puts them to work for the state doing some form of community service.
BTW, Blender was her opposition to the healthcare reform act the only thing you saw wrong in that video?
Politicians are busy people. You don't know what she was on the phone about. Could have been her sick kid or something.
The congresswoman did turn to the woman and listen when the woman started to ask the question instead of spewing rhetoric.
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Here's an excerpt from the only non-Fox News source covering this incident:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sle...t_16.html#more
Jackson Lee explained she was on her cell phone during Tuesday's town hall meeting because she had called the House health care hotline seeking answers to a number of questions about particular elements of the health care bill moving through Congress.
"I had been on the cell phone getting a series of questions answered," Jackson Lee said. "I don't know why [Republicans think] it's so challenging. I happen to be able to think, listen and maybe even talk at the same time."
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Yes I know thats from a blog, but really this incident is only a big deal to Republibots. Rep Jackson Lee is doing another town hall tonight and over a dozen in the next couple of weeks. Many congressmen aren't doing town halls AT ALL.
And whats more, this lady was NOT one of Rep. Jackson Lee's constituents. For those of you who don't know, Rep Jackson Lee represents the 5th Ward of Houston. She got 77% of the vote at her last election.
Where exactly did you read she wasn't one of her constituents if it was from the blog you linked to it says...
"The constituent, identified as Tracy Miller on a video posted on YouTube, was well into her question about health-care reform when she realized Jackson Lee was talking on her cell phone."
And i'm sure she can multi-task but the call could have been made at a different time. All she needed to do was be courteous to her constituents.
The left has resorted to calling people that disagree with this policy Hate mongers, fear mongers, brown shirts (Nazi Gaurds), lynch mobs, etc. When in reality all the people are trying to do is get their voices heard! After all that is a fundamental right of American CITIZENS isn't it
I'm glad you asked that because it was actually Fox News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXbOmpJfjoY
2:08 in this video the lady tells Greta that she thanked Rep Jackson Lee for opening the town hall to people who were not her constituents.
But she didn't state that she was one of the non constituents present. That is kind of a moot point anyway because even if she was not a constituent she still deserved to be treated with respect, also if you continue through the interview with Greta you will hear Ms. Miller say that she was not the only one who was treated this way.
Interview with Rep Jackson-Lee... You have to be kidding me!! (from CNN not FOX)
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=GdnzuzaGkU
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