Originally Posted by AirMax95
Took the letters right off my keyboard.
Took the letters right off my keyboard.
So, back to your statement though. WHY SHOULD HE HOLD HIS TONGUE AND DISASSOCIATE HIMSELF FOR FEAR OF BEING LABELED AS SOMETHING THAT IS FASLE?
He should be able to discuss on what the hell he feels, just like any other american, president or not.
He is not Racist and has not done anything to be Racist.
Seriously, he was called a racist for say "the cop acted stupidly". He didn't even say WHITE cop....he said COP/OFFICER. WTF? How is that racist. Now, a case is dropped against the New Black Panther Party, and he is racist? The hail is going on here?
People need to stop and really look at history to understand racist and racism. Speaking on a topic that involves another race does not make you racist. It does not mean you feel that your race is superior, you are hatred towards another race, nor that you are discriminating against another race.
And btw I am starting to agree with Liz on the subject of if you wanna talk race then post about race. If you wanna talk politics then talk politics. I just don't believe that race and politics go hand in hand now days. It was only relevant to this discussion because yes his name was brought into it. It seriously just gets to me seeing anything about race now days. Maybe when people of all races start to realize that everything that happens in Washington affects everyone in this Country, of every race, then better issues can be discussed.
Didn't he inject himself into the Gates fiasco?
Politician to Politican = don't see race....they see power and money. I don't think all are corrupt, but they walk a thin line and can easily be swayed.
What people are trying to do is shut him up pretty much! They also labeled him racist, because he is supporting "racist" Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor. Give me a break.....now everyones racist, lol.
So, back to your statement though. WHY SHOULD HE HOLD HIS TONGUE AND DISASSOCIATE HIMSELF FOR FEAR OF BEING LABELED AS SOMETHING THAT IS FASLE?
He should be able to discuss on what the hell he feels, just like any other american, president or not.
He is not Racist and has not done anything to be Racist.
Seriously, he was called a racist for say "the cop acted stupidly". He didn't even say WHITE cop....he said COP/OFFICER. WTF? How is that racist. Now, a case is dropped against the New Black Panther Party, and he is racist? The hail is going on here?
People need to stop and really look at history to understand racist and racism. Speaking on a topic that involves another race does not make you racist. It does not mean you feel that your race is superior, you are hatred towards another race, nor that you are discriminating against another race.
Just an example. So, if I said a racial slur to a black man or woman and it made headlines, should he really take time out of his day that he should be using on more important issues, to go on national television and say I acted stupidly. Hell no. It doesn't matter how important of a figure the guy thinks he is. He is no better than any other black/white person. If you can't understand that then I feel sorry for you. End of story.
Refer to below.....blah.
I see where you are going, but it still falls back to how society wants you to act. Sure, he could have skipped the subject and moved on, but he chose not to.
The issue is not that he said something, the issue is what he said had him LABLED as a RACIST, to country that can't define RACISM.
Remember when people were pissed because he was choosing his Final four BBall picks? Can he not be human?
Yeah, he's racist also because he supports Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor.....who is also a "racist".
Geeze....there are some butt hurt people!
Let's have a racist party, we can all come!
it's not supposed to happen but it does. if they commited a crime then they should be punished.
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Back on topic and no mention of race. Hooray for you.
Seriously....case closed.
They should have been punished, but they said lack of evidence had the charges dropped.
Sucks...
Agreed
Case was already won, what do they need more evidence for?
Hell that video is enough to convict ANYONE unless they get a presidential pardon, which is exactly what this was.
As far as him being racist maybe that was a poor choice of words. He just hates whitey.
How does he hate whitey?
Nevermind.....forget.....
I'm sorry that you are too blinded to see any faults in him but it seems pretty obvious to me.
No, I see his faults, but I asked you how does he hate whitey?
If it is so obvious, just put it out there for us "blinded" people.
This and your OP have proven to be null and void. Now is the time to take it for what its worth because you are beinging to sound ignorant.
My boyfriend is better than you...
It's obvious because if you were raised by a white mother and your black father wasn't around, you would hate whitey too!
Btw, I think it was a mistake for him to get involved in the Gates thing but he was trying to talk about Healthcare and he said he would take one last question from the press and they asked him about the Gates thing. He heard one of his friends got arrested in his own home and didn't have all the facts and made a "stupid" comment. Get over it... doesn't make him racist.
Its obvious when you look at the facts. Obama spent 20 years listening to Wright's hate, which he obviously agreed with because he stayed there.
Then you have his friend Gates, who immediately throws the race card when he is obviously the only one in the wrong.
Then you have Sotomayor, who has said several times that a hispanic is better suited to make judicial decisions than a white male.
Finally you have his wife. The same woman who was never proud to be an American until the oppertunity for power was before her.
You can also look at several quotes from his books that also paint that picture.
What else do you need to see to open your eyes?
I agree that it is obvious that he sat in there and heard the racist speeches from Wright and did not leave. While he says he did not agree with them, they definitely did not upset him enough for him to get up and leave.
I disagree that Gates was the only one in the wrong. If someone charged into your house after a long trip, you would be irritated also. He just took the wrong tactic in answering, and the cop arrested him after knowing it was Gates' house just to cover his ass. That was improper also. This was simply a situation that spun out of control when it was well-intentioned in the beginning.
While there are questions regarding her, Obama did not know her personally, and is simply going with who his advisors recommend. I doubt he chose her because she is racist. That would be the most ignorant error, and he is not know to be blatantly ignorant.
That's not what was said. Her quote was removed from context and your statement twists it to a different meaning/connotation. Personally, I think her Harvard thesis shows her to have racist tendencies though.
Is Obama racist? Not blatantly. No more so than most of the members on this forum. I think that he has done a better job of avoiding racial tensions than some past presidents. That does not mean that I think he is doing a good job, or a bad one though.
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let's look at this another way, shall we...
in all fairness, if it wasn't for obama being elected in the first place, then "HIS justice department" may not have the particular jobs that they have. hell, for all we know his people felt like "well, these guys might've helped my boss get his job, which in turn led to me getting my job. i think we can let this go."
not to mention, the ARTICLE CLEARLY STATED the charges were dropped due to a law that the good savior BUSH PASSED. when you're cited for speeding, noise pollution, disorderly conduct, etc. whomever the powers that be are will already have a case against you...does that mean the charges will stick??? NO! INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, and in this case there was a way for these guys to appear innocent according to THE LAW.
This was a civil case, not a criminal one. Because the defendants didn't show for court they received a summary judgement against them. At that point the case was over and won for the govt. Why in hell would they drop a case that was already won?
So Obama gets a pass for talking out his ass and calling a police dept stupid. Now he gets another pass for this. How many free rides are you going to give this moron?
The police dept did handle the situation badly; they should not have arrested Gates. He was in the right to chide them, but he went over the line in using the word "stupid".
I notice that whenever White conservatives discuss race, they are very glib about it. Lots of "period/end of story/get over it/it ain't 1850" etc. The conservative side of the race debate seems to have a lot to say to Black America, but seems unwilling to listen to other points of view.
And the the black point of view is that the white guy is racist. I have never once said get over anything but how long will it be used as a crutch? It has become acceptale in this country to stereotype whites and especy white cops as racists. Why does that not get any attention?
How were the police wrong in arresting someone that is causing a scene in public? If anything the cop showed very good restraint with Gates then Obama.
the bottom line is the case was dropped due to the fact that these guys were protected by THE LAW. a law "created" by a white man, upheld by a black man, & "protected" a group of black men. sounds to me like you issue should be with BUSH.
lol, I ca't believe you're still stuck on the gates thing. in all fairness, gates was on his PRIVATE property. isn't it conservatives who always demand freedoms & less government? why shouldn't gates or ANYONE be able to say whatever they want to whomever they want when on their personal property. if we to go by your "standards" then obama has every right to come to YOUR private property, & arrest you now for calling him a racist on a PUBLIC forum.
there is a video of them standing out front with nightsticks and i read they are from texas. what the fuck were they doing in philly, visiting cousin ray ray. if they were outside my voter building they would have left in handcuffs hours before a video would have been shot. usually there are police around making sure the "campaigning" isn't done at the voting building. They would have also been arrested if they stayed in texas. i for one think something more should be done about this but what i'm not sure. we all know if another group would have been out there with weapons they would still be in jail waiting for a hearing.
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well you never see the white side of his family, they don't get a tour of the white house. he also had several insances in a row where he should not have opened his mouth. on the gates arrest he said "i don't know all the facts yet but it seems the police acted stupidly" and at that point all he knew was his black friend was arrrested by a white cop. also look at the attorney general's new hate crime bill they are trying to sneak in other bills. some things just seem a certain way. also the civilian militia he wants is mainly young black men who think he is jesus or something.
they will soon try to get rid of protests soon because of these town hall meetings they say are GOP funded and insurance company ran. I CALL BS ON THAT!!! i think there are just alot of pissed off people who have seen him lie about every single one of his campaign promises and that doesn't make you feel very good about him anymore. transparency? Where? more like no transparency.
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the police had rights as soon as the call was put in for a possible burglary. i have an alarm system at my house. about 4 years ago i set it off one morning and did not hit the right button. guess what my white ass had to do, put my hands in the air and prove i lived at the residence. after about 10 mins they they left but the whole time they treated me like i did not live here, it's their job. if i was a criminal they did not want me to leave, so the point being gates should have cooperated.
Don't get me started on bush, i think he should have criminal charges against him.
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Ok, well, I guess I hate whitey too
If you want a discussion thread on Wright, we can do so. If you want one on Gates, lets do that too.
Sotomayor has explained her comments and has been made clear what she meant. 98% of law in this country has been made by one race.
I myself at one point was not proud to be an American. The history alone gives me that feeling. My position now is numb. Michelle Obama said her piece numerous times, so what? That does not make her racist. That shows she is a compassioniate human that does not accept the past actions of this country.
Quotes from his book, please. The man, black half, went through the same ups and downs as any other black man. Sure he was privilged to an extent, but when the majority doesn't like you it shows, and you can feel it.
Would anyone else like to take a stab at how Obama hates whitey, is racist, or any other left field name?
Dick Armey's FreedomWorks (the same people who brought you Teabagging) are busing people from their Republican districts into Democratic districts to attend and disrupt the Democratic town halls. They are trying to create the image of a Republican presence/threat in the constituencies where there is little or none. Instead of Democrat congressmen having to answer to their own constituents, they have to answer to the wingnuts Dick Armey is hauling around.
Other 527's are doing this as well. They make comparisons to the Freedom Riders and other movements that used groups from different locations to challenge local laws. But Freedom Riders and the other groups did not attempt to thwart the democratic process (as is Democracy, not the political party) by interfering with the opportunity of local citizens to directly discourse with their own representatives in congress.
The money for FreedomWorks, Americans For Prosperity, etc is coming directly from insurance companies. They probably spend more money on astroturfing, swiftboating, and political patronage than they spend on cancer research.
calling the police does not give them any extra rights. the call is to make them aware of a danger to the public and/or an individual, and request their assistance with the use of the law.
once gates was identified as the owner of this particular personal property, further validating that there was no crime in process, then he should've no longer been considered the suspect of ANY other crime. he used his FREEDOM OF SPEECH to express how the situation made him feel. the cop acted stupidly by using his powers against someone who hadn't broken any laws due to him being on his personal property. why do you think he requested gates to "come outside?"
at the end of the day, reality OBVIOUSLY doesn't matter to some of you. due to the fact that no one owns slaves anymore, and we have a black president, black people are no longer justified for suggesting racism still exist...and if it does, then it's the blacks who are racist.
actually the phone call was probable cause and from my understanding he did not immediatley show who he was. gates should not have ran his mouth and pulled the race card and just should have said here is my ID officer, thanks for looking out for everything i own. go tell a cop a remark similar to his or flip them off or whatever you like and i bet you will get charged with something. we do have freedon of speech and you can say what you want, but on the flip side to this you should not be degrading to a cop, or any other person for that matter. i have the first ammendment right too but if i were to drop the N bomb i would get sued, charges filed, etc. i still want to find an attorney about my incident last year. i was called a cracker at work and lost my job. i guess teh rights only go so far these days.
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Im still trying to figure out why everyone thinks Obama has anything to do with this? Obama doesnt preside over the Judiciary branch of government, The supreme court does. Obama is head of the Executive branch of government. Please read up on Government Checks and Balances. FURTHERMORE, the president can only pardon FEDERAL crimes and crimes against the United States
This country sure would be fucked if presidents could just go pardoning people left and right
its still a civil case. at best a case for the state.
Read up on all those questionable pardons. all of them were federal crimes
I am too. There's definitely more to this story than we know. The laws are more defined than people actually think. And since it's a decent sized organization like the NBPP, there are alot of powerful attorneys involved. The facts are that they were credentialed to be there legally, and no real threat of violence was made. Tapping a night stick in your palms is no more a threat of violence than me looking at you and cracking my knuckles at the same time. But in no way does this make Obama a racist.
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