Socialistic health care

[ISAtlanta300]

A universal system does nothing but reduce the cost of healthcare so it is easily affordable and obtainable for persons like me who can afford coverage and those making $6.50 an hour who cannot. It also takes away the notion that life decisions our decided on a cost basis and not a need basis.

Dude, you really don't get it do you? Do you even know HOW they will reduce the cost of healthcare? For one, to give you GENERIC medicine. Say goodbye to your Allegra and your Claritin... here's a box of tissues. (just to put it in a perspective/ example). And they will only operate you when it is ultimately and absolutely necessary. No, for real. They will try everything and the kitchen sink hoping that you will die before that costly operation. Trust me man. Cost cutting and medical care do not belong together. I would definitely do not want to be in a country where they are CUTTING CORNERS with my health to make it 'affordable' for the rest.

[ISAtlanta300]

Let me give you one example of first hand experience: Say right now you have a nice medical benefit that includes dental, vision and health. Here comes Socialist Medicine:

you: "Hi Doctor"

Doctor: Hey there.. ok so let's see what we're dealing with here.....
hmmm.. looks like you're going to need braces. That'll be $ 2000

You: "impossible.. here's my social healthcare card'

Yes, but that only covers for MEDICAL procedures

You: 'and?...;

Well, under the policy, braces are considered a cosmetic procedure. It is not life threatening, hence not medical...

You: ' oh....'

Yes, I also see that you have some cavities.... and oh.. I see a tooth here that would need a crown.. would that be ceramic or porcelain?

You: 'hmm whichever is nicer'

Doctor: The porcelain is 4000 and the ceramic is 6500

You: 'but my social healthcare...'

Doctor: yes yes, I told you already..... it only covers medical issues. Crowns are a cosmetic addition. They are not necessary. A man can live without teeth. Not life threatening.

You: 'Ok ok.. well, is there ANY procedure that my social healthcare covers???'


Doctor: ' why yes... it covers cavities....'

You: ' Great !! it covers the filling?'

Doctor: " No... it only covers the removal of the tooth... "


You: '.............'

Doctor: "but look at the bright side.... with the social healthcare, you get 2 yearly checkups for free... ain't it a DEAL???"

[jfman]

Dude, you really don't get it do you? Do you even know HOW they will reduce the cost of healthcare? For one, to give you GENERIC medicine. Say goodbye to your Allegra and your Claritin... here's a box of tissues. (just to put it in a perspective/ example). And they will only operate you when it is ultimately and absolutely necessary. No, for real. They will try everything and the kitchen sink hoping that you will die before that costly operation. Trust me man. Cost cutting and medical care do not belong together. I would definitely do not want to be in a country where they are CUTTING CORNERS with my health to make it 'affordable' for the rest.

Let me give you one example of first hand experience: Say right now you have a nice medical benefit that includes dental, vision and health. Here comes Socialist Medicine:

you: "Hi Doctor"

Doctor: Hey there.. ok so let's see what we're dealing with here.....
hmmm.. looks like you're going to need braces. That'll be $ 2000

You: "impossible.. here's my social healthcare card'

Yes, but that only covers for MEDICAL procedures

You: 'and?...;

Well, under the policy, braces are considered a cosmetic procedure. It is not life threatening, hence not medical...

You: ' oh....'

Yes, I also see that you have some cavities.... and oh.. I see a tooth here that would need a crown.. would that be ceramic or porcelain?

You: 'hmm whichever is nicer'

Doctor: The porcelain is 4000 and the ceramic is 6500

You: 'but my social healthcare...'

Doctor: yes yes, I told you already..... it only covers medical issues. Crowns are a cosmetic addition. They are not necessary. A man can live without teeth. Not life threatening.

You: 'Ok ok.. well, is there ANY procedure that my social healthcare covers???'


Doctor: ' why yes... it covers cavities....'

You: ' Great !! it covers the filling?'

Doctor: " No... it only covers the removal of the tooth... "


You: '.............'

Doctor: "but look at the bright side.... with the social healthcare, you get 2 yearly checkups for free... ain't it a DEAL???"

$6500 for cavities - you are an idiot, an obvious lemming of the propaganda machine.



Under Canada`s plan dental care is provided up until you are 10 years old. Then you are on your own, most decent employers provide a dental plan since it is fairly cheap. And if you dont have a dental plan, dental care in the province I live in is less than half what it cost in Georgia. I know I have lived in both places and I have been sick in both places as well.

I had a very severe inflamation of the intestine here in Canada. I went to the ER, got a private room almost instantly (within the hour) saw a doctor, they hooked me up on an IVY antibiotic solution, the next day I passed a Cat Scan because they wanted to make sure there hadent been a tear anywhere in my system. Spent 3 days in my own room at the hospital with a nurse could walk in 30 seconds after I press the little button. After 3 days I had recovered they sent me home with an appointment to come back a week later. A week later they did a colonoscopy just to make sure everything was still good in there.



Is UHC expensive - yes it is. Is it the horrible system the right wing propaganda machine makes it out to be. Most defenetly not.

If I was poor i'd rather be sick in Canada than in the US

If I was middle class, I'd rather be sick in Canada than in the US

If I was rich, I'd rather be sick in the US than in Canada

But I'll tell you about a system that I think is crappy, a half socialised system where anyone can get the care they need but where only a segment ofusers pay for and where the insurance company get their cut no matter what. A system where you, the insured, pays for a person who can afford to put 24's on a new Tahoe but doesnt buy healthcare because they dont want to pay for it.

[trini_gsr]

Is UHC expensive - yes it is. Is it the horrible system the right wing propaganda machine makes it out to be. Most defenetly not.

If I was poor i'd rather be sick in Canada than in the US

If I was middle class, I'd rather be sick in Canada than in the US

If I was rich, I'd rather be sick in the US than in Canada

this has been a very interesting thread. i've been hearing the news on this and have been doing research trying to get more informed. while i'm generally leaning away from UHC...i think jfman's statement above pretty sums it up exactly.

i'd like to ask you guys this - how responsible should we be for our neighbor's health/well-being? and how does that weigh against how responsible ppl should be for their OWN health/well-being? what do you think is a good ratio?

[ISAtlanta300]

$6500 for cavities - you are an idiot, an obvious lemming of the propaganda machine.

Learn to read before replying.

I said $ 6500 for dental crown.




...idiot...

[BanginJimmy]

Is UHC expensive - yes it is. Is it the horrible system the right wing propaganda machine makes it out to be. Most defenetly not.

If I was poor i'd rather be sick in Canada than in the US

If I was middle class, I'd rather be sick in Canada than in the US

If I was rich, I'd rather be sick in the US than in Canada

If you were poor, of course you would want free healthcare.

Middle class, of course you would want healthcare, but what is the REAL cost of it? You get what you pay for.

If you were rich, you would stay as far from Canada as you could. Low quality care compared to American standards. Also VERY expensive. It is actually more costly for the average person than the American system, people just dont see it because it is embedded into their taxes.

But I'll tell you about a system that I think is crappy, a half socialised system where anyone can get the care they need but where only a segment ofusers pay for and where the insurance company get their cut no matter what. A system where you, the insured, pays for a person who can afford to put 24's on a new Tahoe but doesnt buy healthcare because they dont want to pay for it.

This is exactly what the dems are proposing. Make those evil rich people that prey on you poor underprivileged folk pay for it. I wonder how long it will take for companies to start eliminating healthcare completely after the dems get health benefits taxed on top of taxing the business at a higher rate.