Obama to announce auto mileage, emissions standards

[tony]

Its just strange to me how when the "Drill here Drill now" initiative was put forth our dependency on oil was oh so important and urgent, but even an empty threat of taking away muscle cars (which wont happen) in an attempt to achieve the same goal and the sentiment goes from one spectrum to the other. Lack of priorities and partisan bull ish is the reason why we can't make progress on issues like these.

[BanginJimmy]

Its just strange to me how when the "Drill here Drill now" initiative was put forth our dependency on oil was oh so important and urgent, but even an empty threat of taking away muscle cars (which wont happen) in an attempt to achieve the same goal and the sentiment goes from one spectrum to the other.

Drill here, Drill Now, was about reducing dependency on foreign oil, not oil as a product. If the US wants to reduce foreign oil consumption then we need to drill more. If the US wants to reduce oil consumption as a whole, we need a replacement for plastics, heating oil, most solvents, and oil fired power plants also, not just a few dollars a year in gasoline. Oil fired plants are easy, though expensive, to replace with nuclear plants. Plastics, heating oil and solvents are much harder to replace.

Lack of priorities and partisan bull ish is the reason why we can't make progress on issues like these.

Although I dont see this as anything more than govt intervention in business and completely unnecessary it cuts both ways. Both sides of the aisle are more interested in partisan politics than us on the street. Just look at that liar the dems put in as speaker of the house if you need further proof.

[tony]

Drill here, Drill Now, was about reducing dependency on foreign oil, not oil as a product.

Its the same thing, reduction of oil consumption in this country which in turn lessens our dependency. Actually higher standards is a more effective approach seeing as how when oil is produced it becomes a global commodity..

[BanginJimmy]

Its the same thing, reduction of oil consumption in this country which in turn lessens our dependency. Actually higher standards is a more effective approach seeing as how when oil is produced it becomes a global commodity..

Its not the same thing, but you are right, oil is a global commodity so domestic oil companies need to have some sort of benefit for selling domestically only.

[NevrNufTorq]

Its not the same thing, but you are right, oil is a global commodity so domestic oil companies need to have some sort of benefit for selling domestically only.

i love tony man, he comes up with some valid points but he's flopping on this one from the topic. now, it's WE dont wanna drilll elsewhere. no WE in it, i'm all for drilling here now. get your boy back on track, drill here now, and quit telling me what i have to buy!!!

[TSiFTW]

It's socialism all socialism. If you guys want to live the rest of your lives being told what you can and can't do then keep voting for dipshits like Obama. Told what you can drive! HELL NO! I don't want to drive the same 35mpg turd everyone else is driving. Sure there will be different cars, but they may as well be the same after all the restricions. It all equals the same thing. And as far as aftermarket goes, Federal Emmissions standards would make modifying a car almost impossible to stay legal. I for one don't want to be completely contolled by our government, and I'm quite sure that most of the general population does not want that either. For the ones that do. Wake up people. This is all serious.

[Vteckidd]

Its just strange to me how when the "Drill here Drill now" initiative was put forth our dependency on oil was oh so important and urgent, but even an empty threat of taking away muscle cars (which wont happen) in an attempt to achieve the same goal and the sentiment goes from one spectrum to the other. Lack of priorities and partisan bull ish is the reason why we can't make progress on issues like these.

ehhh

I guess what it boils down IMO is choice. I want the choice of going out and buying a 10mpg v10.

The last thing i think we need is government imposing standards that will

a) Cost the auto companies estimated 47 Billion extra to comply with
b) dictate what types of cars they can manufacture

I get the argument that if you have a gas guzzling v8 you need a hybrid to offset it. But my point is wht couldnt the car makers come to this on their own.

Look its no secret they are being beat by the imports because of price and MPG. So IMO let capitalism take its course. Either they find a way to compete with their competition, or they go under.

Obama is passing rules and ultimately dictating the types of cars they can build with a strict federal standard. These guys havent made a product worth a shit in 10 years, some say 20. Let them go, let someone like Carlos Ghosn come in and turn them around ,or let them go under.

Government shouldnt interfere IMO

Drill Here Drill Now is about producing oil locally for consumption. It was not legislating how a company should be run, what it should produce, etc.

[eraser4g63]

ehhh

I guess what it boils down IMO is choice. I want the choice of going out and buying a 10mpg v10.

The last thing i think we need is government imposing standards that will

a) Cost the auto companies estimated 47 Billion extra to comply with
b) dictate what types of cars they can manufacture

I get the argument that if you have a gas guzzling v8 you need a hybrid to offset it. But my point is wht couldnt the car makers come to this on their own.

Look its no secret they are being beat by the imports because of price and MPG. So IMO let capitalism take its course. Either they find a way to compete with their competition, or they go under.

Obama is passing rules and ultimately dictating the types of cars they can build with a strict federal standard. These guys havent made a product worth a shit in 10 years, some say 20. Let them go, let someone like Carlos Ghosn come in and turn them around ,or let them go under.

Government shouldnt interfere IMO

Drill Here Drill Now is about producing oil locally for consumption. It was not legislating how a company should be run, what it should produce, etc.

By far this is what i have been preaching since the damn bail outs started. The government should have nothing to do with a product ANY company creates unless it is unsafe. If the big three can't keep up with what Honda, Nissan or Mazda are doing than it is time to look for an exit strategy. As far as I can tell all this administration has done is force the economy in to a more socialist state, spend money, raise taxes and lie to cover there ass. Like I said before and I will say again I feel bad for the people who will loose their jobs because of theses companies going belly up, You know what fuck that I don't feel bad for them they cause the problem to begin with ( UAW). All in all this is nothing more than a ploy to bend over for people of the left like Al Gore and the whole god damn green movement, and in the end this will burn the economy to the ground.