U.S increasing aid to Afghanistan & Pakistan...good?

[Total_Blender]

I didn't say anything about having social programs just for the sake of having social programs. I've explained the need for reforms to make these programs based on results rather than blanket spending many times.

Moving education to a results based / service learning system would be a good start (having schools with high dropout rates lose funding/accreditation, and gearing curriculae more toward university/job placement). Another one would be mandatory vocational rehabilitation / job placement assistance for those chronic users of unemployment and welfare. Some of these are systems we have now that just aren't being used/enforced to the extent they need to be.

[BanginJimmy]

I didn't say anything about having social programs just for the sake of having social programs. I've explained the need for reforms to make these programs based on results rather than blanket spending many times.

Moving education to a results based / service learning system would be a good start (having schools with high dropout rates lose funding/accreditation, and gearing curriculae more toward university/job placement). Another one would be mandatory vocational rehabilitation / job placement assistance for those chronic users of unemployment and welfare. Some of these are systems we have now that just aren't being used/enforced to the extent they need to be.

I didnt mean to imply you did, but a vast majority of social program proponents are not in favor of anything that puts limits on usage, or programs to help people get off the programs.

A brief outline of my plan (which isnt much different than yours):

1. Random drug testing. (no time limits on failures)
-If you fail 1 test, no check for the month and you MUST goto a NA course
-if you fail 2 tests, 90 day suspension and you have to complete a govt paid for resident treatment.
-fail 3 times, permanent loss of benefits and if you have kids, you are reported to DFCS as unfit and a chronic drug user.

2. Benefits limited to 3 years, extendable to 5 years if you show sufficient progress in a 4 year school. After the 3 years are up you have to be at at, or close to, the junior year. HOPE (or something similar) covers 100% of school costs including tuition, fees, and books. Also an allowance for general supplies.

3. Free, govt paid for, birth control. No additional money for additional kids after you enter the program. No, waivers.

[eraser4g63]

I didnt mean to imply you did, but a vast majority of social program proponents are not in favor of anything that puts limits on usage, or programs to help people get off the programs.

A brief outline of my plan (which isnt much different than yours):

1. Random drug testing. (no time limits on failures)
-If you fail 1 test, no check for the month and you MUST goto a NA course
-if you fail 2 tests, 90 day suspension and you have to complete a govt paid for resident treatment.
-fail 3 times, permanent loss of benefits and if you have kids, you are reported to DFCS as unfit and a chronic drug user.

2. Benefits limited to 3 years, extendable to 5 years if you show sufficient progress in a 4 year school. After the 3 years are up you have to be at at, or close to, the junior year. HOPE (or something similar) covers 100% of school costs including tuition, fees, and books. Also an allowance for general supplies.

3. Free, govt paid for, birth control. No additional money for additional kids after you enter the program. No, waivers.

I like you idea there but personally i think you are giving two many chances with the drug abuse. other than that that it sounds good.

[preferredduck]

I didnt mean to imply you did, but a vast majority of social program proponents are not in favor of anything that puts limits on usage, or programs to help people get off the programs.

A brief outline of my plan (which isnt much different than yours):

1. Random drug testing. (no time limits on failures)
-If you fail 1 test, no check for the month and you MUST goto a NA course
-if you fail 2 tests, 90 day suspension and you have to complete a govt paid for resident treatment.
-fail 3 times, permanent loss of benefits and if you have kids, you are reported to DFCS as unfit and a chronic drug user.

2. Benefits limited to 3 years, extendable to 5 years if you show sufficient progress in a 4 year school. After the 3 years are up you have to be at at, or close to, the junior year. HOPE (or something similar) covers 100% of school costs including tuition, fees, and books. Also an allowance for general supplies.

3. Free, govt paid for, birth control. No additional money for additional kids after you enter the program. No, waivers.

some of the users of social programs i know couldn't pass a drug test to keep medicaid b/c the 3 breaks in their back and lost leg from the knee down b/c of all the meds they have to take. lets not forget abt oxycodone, xana, seroquil, soma. did you know most true pain patients that can't get help. then drink until they pretty much die b/c they can't get meds or treatment through social programs and were hurt on the job. my girlfriends brother is in this bind and if you met him and talked for an hour you would see he has severe, like 75% dissabled and 40% less in the brain and the nice corporation he worked for(cargill) got away good on that one. i agree of getting rid of the trash on welfare, etc. i was a loan officer at world finance a few years ago and most of our clients couldn't pass a test but abused the system and got away with it and were sped through the process/ i saw a 21 year old get rushed through in a week b/c his anti depression meds made it where he couldn't work amd i take pain meds/ muscle relaxes. and nerve pills from a pinched nerve and could not get help and will not get help. that would save billions a year.

[eraser4g63]

Moving education to a results based / service learning system would be a good start (having schools with high dropout rates lose funding/accreditation, and gearing curriculae more toward university/job placement).

My wife would beg to differ, she is a Fulton co. Special Ed teacher. The biggest problem with this is you get more of what we have now. Kids wont learn fundamentals of life because they will teach kids the test ( how else are they going to measure these criteria). When this occurs they forget that knowledge as soon as the test os over, studies have shown this numerous times. You really want to increase the knowledge of the kids and help them do well in life? Then look at the private schools that place kids based on how they do on a subject testing system. IE-you may have a kid that is reading and comprehending what they are reading on a 5th grade level but their math may be par or sub par. So you place that child in an advanced reading class and cultivate that skill that is there and the child is placed in a math class that will work on his math skills. Right now in schools if a child test sub par on anything they place the child in special Ed for every thing. This not only hinders the child but actually begins to cause them to become bored with their other studies. The school system needs reform I will not contest that but a results based ideology is the wrong direction. The best way to go about it is to take the handcuffs of the teachers and allow them to teach. Between no child left behind ( Fuck you W.) and other programs they have literally cause the down fall of the public school system. And if you want teachers to care and be more compassionate allow them more freedom in the class room and better pay, in any case you always get what you pay for.

Sorry for the multiple post in a row.