Piracy
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090408/ap_on_re_af/piracy
Somali pirates take 20 Americans as hostages. How much longer til we start seeing some of these contracting companies stationing their men on ships traveling in that area?
The US govt needs to come down VERY had on these people, to the point of possibly scaring off more of these types of men.
they need to do some serious somali ass-kicking. like a punk on the playground, just needs an ass whoopin
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Well the ships crew decided to do it themselves and they are now free. But in all fairness we need to come down on them like a fucking plague.
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Somalians can afford satellite phones and GPS equipment?
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They can when these shipping companies are paying out multi million dollar ransoms
btw oops on my post i heard on the radio like five minutes later they still had and still do have the captain hostage.
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Read that earlier today.. Good shit..
yeah big oops on my part oh well
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warships are heading that way and by now I would bet that those ships have some SEALS aboard.
Hell yeah ha i don't care who you arrghhhhhhhh, if you were a pirate right now and knew this info you'd be shitting yourself
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i say on piracy the ships need to be allowed to have some protection, even a trained "maritime" personnel or two on the boat with heavy guns and an RPG, or rocket launcher to take out a lil speed boat, but i wouldn't publicize it, just do it and i bet the pirates would go away then!!!!
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All sorts of international laws come into effect when you have armed merchant ships entering ports. Not to mention if the ships were armed if pirates were successful in seizing the ships then they would then have the ships weaponry at their control. Most countries are weary of the possibility of pirates Seizing an armed ship in one of their ports.
From the articles I have read in shipping journals, the shipping industry is also generally opposed to arming their ships, as expecting their crews to fight off pirates is just too much liability.
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they got 10 million for this ship!!
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/con...8/s2377212.htm
Somali women flocking to port in hope of marrying pirates
Posted: 11:14 AM ET
Former Navy SEAL Kaj Larsen decribes the dificulties in combating pirates off the Somali coast.
Pirates are holding a U.S. captain hostage at sea. The Navy is watching everything that happens. So what is supposed to happen next? And what is driving this problem? We talked to someone who knows a thing or two about the pirates and has experience covering them in Somalia. Kaj Larsen, former U.S. Navy SEAL, spoke to T.J. Holmes on CNNs American Morning Thursday.
Larsen says the root conditions of poverty, lawlessness and civil war on the ground in Somalia are to blame. The large sums of ransom money being paid out to pirates, he says, is even leading some Somali women to venture to the port town of Bosaso in hopes of marrying these newly-rich men.
T.J. Holmes: We know that piracy pays. What is it thats going to break this cycle if every time they take a ship, they get paid. Why stop it?
Kaj Larsen: Thats the 50 or $100 million question, which is about the money that the pirates took in last year in ransom. The solution unfortunately is not going to be a military-centric one. Ultimately, you to have to find some way to govern this ungoverned space, this lawless sanctuary that the pirates have in Somalia. Thats really the only long-term solution youre going to see to this problem.
Holmes: Lets start with the military solution. Why not send a message?
Larsen: Certainly there would be some deterrent effect. I think in this case, the incentives are so large. The money that theyre making is so extraordinary, especially by Somalia standards, that it would be difficult. However, in this particular situation, the goal is to solve it as quickly and as safely as possible without putting the hostage in jeopardy.
Holmes: There are hopeless, deplorable conditions in Somalia. A life of piracy looks pretty good for some of these young men compared to the conditions in Somalia.
Larsen: You couldnt have said it better, T.J. Ive been on the ground in Somalia. One of the interesting demographic things thats happening right now is that single Somali women are flocking to the port town Bosaso where these pirates come out of in the hopes of marrying a pirate. So you can see that it really is the root conditions of poverty, lawlessness and civil war on the ground in Somalia are really what are breeding this problem.
Holmes: Is it worth the risk for these companies to continue to go through the Gulf of Aden? Does it cost much to take another route? Is it worth it to take the chance, pay the ransom, and keep moving?
Larsen: So far, thats been the model. As these attacks increase, weve seen six in the last week alone, the cost of doing business in that area is just going to be too high. The insurance companies are going to jack up the rates of insurance. And at some point, theyre not going to be able to continue without taking much more serious security measures or without finding an alternative route.
Holmes: Do you think this situation will begin to draw more attention to whats happening there off the Horn of Africa and maybe more action will begin to be taken by countries all over the world?
Larsen: I think this is a clarion call to the international community that Somalia is and continues to be a failed state. And that if we dont continue to pay attention to it, if we dont start changing the conditions on the ground there, if we dont start governing that ungoverned space that its going to be a breeding ground for piracy and possibly international terrorism. So yes, I would hope that this situation, that the silver lining in the cloud is that people would start paying attention to this horrific situation in the country there.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090410/ap_on_re_af/piracy
He tried to get free but our commander in chief has successfully neutered our military. There is no reason a team of SEALS could not drop in on these men in the middle of the night and place a couple well placed rounds in their head and leisurely steer the lifeboat back to the destroyer.
i'm with you on that, but you know policy tries to make it peaceful, but france ended a pirate hostage situation today and one of the hostages died. the pirates are suppocively sending help but i wouldn't want to try to face a destroyer or two.
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Agreed. The Navy is sitting there just watching this guy and when he jumped ship there should have been guys on stand by on the deck ready to take these bastards out. I've been saying this for years. But we are witnessing the wussification of America. The public school system is teaching our kids at an early age that if you are attacked to just allow them to attack you and eventually someone will come and break up the fight. Whats gonna happen when the entire country is trained to do the same thing and no one is there to fuckin help them. It's ridiculous.
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One of the boats we have there is the USS Boxer, which carriers a bunch of Marine aboard.
why is the rum always gone?????
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Obama finally got off his ass and let the military do its job. Even though this worked out well, I think it highlights the fact that shipping companies need to be allowed to hire private security to protect the ships, crew and the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of cargo they carry.
I'm not familiar with the rules... But are they not allowed ot have there own personal security? I see no reason why there would be laws forbidding them from having there own armed guards on the ship.
According to national laws and some international laws, armed ships are considered warships. The same holds true for armed men aboard ships. Some shipping companies do use armed security on their boats, but they get them off the boats before they enter any country's territorial waters.
There are politics involved with something like this. You cant just jump in right off the back and start shooting, gotta have a plan. Obama weighed his options, went with a plan, and executed it. Those pirates werent gonna kill that man right off. If they really wanted to kill him, he woulda been dead 4 days ago
This should have been over with 4 days ago. They need to treat these people like the criminals they are. Give them a chance to surrender, if they dont, kill them and let the bodies rot in the lifeboat.
What option other than killing them is there? They arent going to surrender, that was obvious from day 1.
its a problem with the insurance companies, im sure those guys would be glad to have a few weapons on board.
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If the marines woulda went in 4 days ago, everyone woulda died. Primary objective is to preserve life. Intel, recon, getting the seals out there takes time.
SEALS were already there. The Objective is to preserve INNOCENT life, who gives a shit about the aggressors?
It would have been very easy for 4 SEALS to SCUBA to the boat in the middle of the night and end this with about 8-12 shot fired. There would have been no danger to the innocent Captain on the lifeboat.
I miss when we were gangster in our World War II days. The Japs haven't fucked with us since.
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Our once mighty country has been infected by the plague of political correctness. We can no longer use our hard fought might for the good of our country or the good of American citizens. We must first consider if we will hurt anyone's feelings first.
Of course it would, at the right time. You dont think the pirates were expecting an attack on day one? I would be. Thats why they tried to talk them down and get them in a position where they thought they had the upper hand, then surprise attack. I wouldnt have done this any differently.
And the objective is to preserve ALL life if possible. How do we learn anything from a dead enemy? Same reason why we didnt pop Saddam a couple times when we caught him in that fox hole. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer
Fuck feelings. Isn't that what people in relationships nowadays say? I mean, shit, u eventually get over it. Hell with how many innocent people we killed in Iraq, we should have just sent a nuclear bomb over there and saved a few American lives by not sending our troops...shit.
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I would guess significantly fewer than Saddam killed in any 6 year period. Also significantly fewer than local insurgents killed.
Exactly. Would have saved time, money, lives, and ol Dubya looking like an asshole in front of the whole country.
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We are and have been the laughing stock of the world community for some time now. Words are great to fix some problems but how many slaps on the wrist do the people who are aggressive towards America(ns) get before we act? I know the whole speak softly and carry a big stick doctrine but when the hell can we use that big stick?
Try not. Do or Do not.
never it's been sitting there collecting dust, and we're waiting for "the right time", which will be too late by the time we use it!
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I guess as always good intention are not worth shit.
Try not. Do or Do not.
ok the captain has now been saved by the navy, 3 pirated were shot and a fourth surrendered. and other pirated are outraged that we killed three of them though they wanted to kill an american citizen. this area of the world might get interesting. we have bigger boats than then too.
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He only looked like an asshole to the same people who would say he looked like an asshole no matter what he did.Exactly. Would have saved time, money, lives, and ol Dubya looking like an asshole in front of the whole country.
We have only been a laughing stock since 2006. Before that, other countries actually listened to what we said.
Get used to it, Bush's last 2 years and now Obama's congress means they wont do anything. Hell, look how long it took to make a decision with only 5 lives at stake, what do you think he will do when its 5000 lives.Words are great to fix some problems but how many slaps on the wrist do the people who are aggressive towards America(ns) get before we act? I know the whole speak softly and carry a big stick doctrine but when the hell can we use that big stick?
Do us a favor and never let yourself take control of a hostage situation.....PLEASE.
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