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    Quote Originally Posted by blacknightteg
    yes i watched the whole entire speech dick. an i understand what he is saying and am pleased by what i have heard. i just get tired of all this dumbass bashing. the man just came into office, hasnt even been in there 100 days yet and your bashing him.
    Which lie did he tell you that pleased you? I cant believe anyone actually believes a word this moron says. What happened to no lobbiests in his administration? What happened to no more politics as usual? What happened to transparancy? All of these things went to the wayside just as soon as it was no longer politically expedient.

    All of that sounds to me like a great reason to bash him.


    Quote Originally Posted by blacknightteg
    the guy has to fix all the bullshit that took place of the past 8 years. yes, bullshit. GW did nothing for this country except for put us into a hudge amount of debt,
    What BS for the last 8 years is he going to fix? Cant say housing because that was started under Clinton. Cant say terrorism because that was allowed to bloom under Clinton. Dont take this a basging on Clinton though, I only mention him becuse he was the previous president. You can DEFINATELY throw out fiscal responsibility with Obama doing his best to add 1.2T to the natioal debt less than 60 days. That does not inclue intrest either, including intrest it would be about 1.7T. At his current rate Obama will triple our national debt in 4 years. Yes, that means 30T in the hole. We wont even mention the damage he is trying to do to business owners.

    Bush did nothing huh? You dont think the country as a whole being 1000x safer than the previous administration was worth something? How about the fact that Bush led the largest boom our economy has ever seen? How about the fact that he led the way to getting the US out of the recession he inheritted from Clinton? Sounds to me like he did nothing at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by blacknightteg
    tarnish our reputation as a country,
    Name a single country that hates us now that dint hate us before Bush got in office. I will bet you that you cannot name one. Oh and before you start that list, you can immediately knock France, Germany, Russia, and China out. All of them had a vested intrest in the Hussain regime as they were selling him weapons.


    an keep us in a war thats not going anywhere. [/quote]

    I actually see the wa going alot of places. Secular violence is down. Foreign fighters coming into the country is coming down to a trickle. Police and military forces are finally starting to weed out some of the militia members on their own. No, its not happening overnight, but no one ever said it was.

    Quote Originally Posted by blacknightteg
    i applaud obama for doing what he is doing.
    What exactly is he doing besides campaigning and spending our money at an unprecidented rate? I havent seen him do a single thing.


    Quote Originally Posted by blacknightteg
    he's under a lot of pressure and to me he's handing it well.
    He is under very little pressure. If he succedes he will take all the credit, if he fails he will blame it on Bush. He really is in a no lose situation unless the MSM quit hanging on his balls.


    Quote Originally Posted by blacknightteg
    that 2% you are crying about should give a fuck, they still make enough money, the taxes are just pocket change im sure.
    Who decides how much money is enough? They are already penalized for acheiving financial sucess, why should they be further punished? What happens if he decides that your tax bracket is making too much money also? Just because you worked hard in school and got a good job doesnt mean you should be able to have things that the HS dropout with 6 kids doesnt have.

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    ok banging jimmy here it goes

    ok first of all if i remember correctly there may have been a mild recession in the end of 2000, but it depends on who you talk to.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4264572/

    but the trouble started after bush, gas prices soared(oil background) and it was also reagan and bush's dady who trained, sold , and funded osama bin laden to "fight off the russians" and made al-quada what it is today. GW also passed 700B in bailout and there is no transparency(AIG asking for another 150B just today) and used fear tactics to do so. "the markets will collapse if we don't act now" that was the final nail in the FEMA coffin and yes we are 100x times safer because there are a million foriegn troops in the US while all our soldiers are in some freakin desert. And btw where are the WMD's, thats the whole reason we even went there and yet we have found nothing, go figure must be a business venture considering the fact that haliburton(cheneys old company) got all exclusive contracts in iraq until they were exposed. sounds to me like bush commited several crimes, like nixon only much worse, and thats why most countries don't like us anymore. and bush has made a new rule saying he or nobody else close to him can never go under oath about some of the bad things they may have done. and you don't think the US sells weapons, give me a break, we had like 80,000 missing weapons in afghan at the first of january, did they get stolen, or just sold, ever seen lord of war. and honestly obama is throwing money out the window just like bush did, so none of them are right. our budget actually at least had a surplus under clinton, when has that ever happened before. damn im done peace!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    ok banging jimmy here it goes

    ok first of all if i remember correctly there may have been a mild recession in the end of 2000, but it depends on who you talk to.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4264572/
    The recession wasnt exactly mild, but it wasnt severe either. Most of the reading I saw said that tax cuts along with the housing boom kept the recession short.

    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    but the trouble started after bush,
    No the trouble started before Bush. Just because we didnt see the effects until 2006 doesnt mean thats when they started. Clinton killed a bill to allow offshore drilling in 94. Clinton signed off on the CRA in 93. Clinton push for a got lower standards for loaning.

    If we were drilling for oil in '94 we would be free of middle eastern oil and therefore all of the insecurities of the region.

    If the CRA was never passed banks would not have been forced to make loans to people that could never pay them back. It was only after that legislation that this mortgage investment market sprang up. Banks wanted to try to minimize their exposure by selling off bundles of these loans in the hopes that they made money on them.


    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    gas prices soared(oil background)
    In case you didnt know this, gas prices are not set by the white house. They are set by the free market. There was a large oil boom that lasted a little over a year and heavily overpriced oil. That ended and we now have gas at a price that reflects the supply and demand.



    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    and it was also reagan and bush's dady who trained, sold , and funded osama bin laden to "fight off the russians" and made al-quada what it is today.
    They decided that fighting the russians and bringing an end to soviet expansionism was important, and they were right. What happened next was what went wrong. Instead of helping to rebuild the country, they simply left. This allowed the Taliban and other fundamentalists to pretty much take over the country.



    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    GW also passed 700B in bailout and there is no transparency(AIG asking for another 150B just today)
    And I was 100% against that bill also. There is absolutely no excuse for govt to get involved in the open marketplace. If a company cannot survive on its own then it needs to fail.



    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    and used fear tactics to do so. "the markets will collapse if we don't act now"
    Those are the EXACT same things Obama is saying though. In fact, Obama is more of a fear mongerer than Bush ever was.

    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    and yes we are 100x times safer because there are a million foriegn troops in the US
    Explain this please. I have absolutely no clue what you mean here.



    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    And btw where are the WMD's, thats the whole reason we even went there and yet we have found nothing,
    Actually no it wasnt the only reason we went there. It was part of the equation, but it wasnt the only reason the Global War on Terrorism was the main reason we went there. No, we didnt find any, but at the same time, we will never know if there really were some there. Hussein had several months to get rid of them before we went in there. There is proof that he has used them in the past, and he claimed to have them at the time. That is enough reason for me.



    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    go figure must be a business venture considering the fact that haliburton(cheneys old company) got all exclusive contracts in iraq until they were exposed.
    I agree it was BS, but at the same time, many of the job haliburton got used to be done by the military but the military was drawn down so far during the Clinton regime that many of those jobs went away.



    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    sounds to me like bush commited several crimes, like nixon only much worse, and thats why most countries don't like us anymore.
    Name a single crime that Bush committed. Also state the code that it violates. I'm not going to do your portion of the research. If you are going to make the claim you need to have some sort of info to back it up.


    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    and bush has made a new rule saying he or nobody else close to him can never go under oath about some of the bad things they may have done.
    Its called executive privilege and Bush wasnt the first to use it. Nixon used it and so did Clinton. I would also like your reference to the fact that Bush "made up the rule" for executive privilege.


    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    and you don't think the US sells weapons, give me a break, we had like 80,000 missing weapons in afghan at the first of january, did they get stolen, or just sold, ever seen lord of war.
    Where did I ever say that the US doesnt sell weapons?


    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    and honestly obama is throwing money out the window just like bush did, so none of them are right.
    Obama is throwing it out FAR quicker than Bush did. Hell Obama is throwing away 790B in less than 2 months. It took Bush more than 4 years to blow through that much money. Now Obama is asking for MORE money AND another bailout package.


    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    our budget actually at least had a surplus under clinton, when has that ever happened before. damn im done peace!!
    Yes we had a small surplus for 1 year. On the other hand Clinton drew down the military and other national security agencies to a dangerous point.

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    i dunno if i should subscribe or not!!!!........its funny how people watch these things now that obama is in and never watched it when bush was in!!!! ....1

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackboi50
    i dunno if i should subscribe or not!!!!........its funny how people watch these things now that obama is in and never watched it when bush was in!!!! ....1

    I have watched the last 3 state of the union adresses (if you include this one). I honestly think they are pretty much pure BS. They never say anything of real significance and I honeslty cant make myself believe a single word out of a career politician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    I have watched the last 3 state of the union adresses (if you include this one). I honestly think they are pretty much pure BS. They never say anything of real significance and I honeslty cant make myself believe a single word out of a career politician.
    see jimmy i completely agree with you!!!...........i believe all of these speeches are pure psychological games!!! the president is thinking "hey let me say this so everybody feels good and will clap and applaud"

    my point im trying to make is why is there a thread about it???........just wait to see how much is BS then say something about it!!! the man just spoke......i can bet u only 25% of what he says will come to life

    like ive said before "ill believe it when i see it" .....1

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackboi50
    like ive said before "ill believe it when i see it" .....1
    I typically take this same approach, but then I look at what he has done to this point. He has gone back on 3 major campaign policies. His first 30 days has been the anti-thesis of transparancy. Most of that is due to congress, but as said before, he is the face of the govt, and this is even more true when his party has significant control of both houses. He has done a 180 on fiscal responsibility with his first spending bill, now there is another bill out there for ANOTHER 410B. The of course you have the lobbiest issue which needs no explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    but the trouble started after bush, gas prices soared(oil background) and it was also reagan and bush's dady who trained, sold , and funded osama bin laden to "fight off the russians" and made al-quada what it is today.
    I stopped reading at this point. You obviously have absolutely no clue as to what the hell you are talking about. Reagan didn't do that CARTER DID. How many times do I have to explain that to people on here? Don't believe me? Here's the interview from a few years back that I have posted at least a dozen times

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html


    Please do research before opening your mouth.

    The ignorance of some people amazes me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redGT
    I stopped reading at this point. You obviously have absolutely no clue as to what the hell you are talking about. Reagan didn't do that CARTER DID. How many times do I have to explain that to people on here? Don't believe me? Here's the interview from a few years back that I have posted at least a dozen times

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html


    Please do research before opening your mouth.

    The ignorance of some people amazes me.
    it was done in the cold war era, and for your knowledge my father was on a submarine during the cold war, it could have been carter, but i know bin laden was screwed under reagan, and ollie north was jailed for selling weapons to the iran contra force. no reason for calling someone an idiot for not remembering everything. excuse me for being wrong at exactly which president did that, let me correct myself THE US TRAINED AL QUEDA
    damn and after reading the article it happened right in the last couple of months of his term. let me ask you also who was it involved in the savings and loan scandal back in the day.
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