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    Default conspiracy theorists of the world....UNITE!

    it's late...or rather....early....and after watching the news this past couple of days, i had somewhat of a conspiracy theory.... (you don't have to read the entire articles...either the title or first paragraph).

    http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article....ticle_id=98796

    ^ this article....plus this one :

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n4696186.shtml

    EQUALS....HHMMMM

    i'm not really big on conspiracy theories, i just found this ironic. i also have two other articles that MAY explain this situation....

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_154893.html

    AND/OR

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/10212008...ode_134547.htm

    (i'm anxiously awaiting a few responses)

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    what is your theory?

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    i find it interesting that Joe Biden said, while Obama was campaigning, that the new president would face some type or threat/attack early on in the presidency.... and then after that no one really heard anything from him for a while....



    and what is your theory???

    news article+news article= another news article
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    I guess I could've explained it, huh?

    basically...what's the real deal behind the whole gaza situation? I mean, I know they've been fighting for years, but this "new war" just sort of popped up without warning...or threats made.

    I guess it's just ironic that the price of oil has dropped 60 percent (from jan 08) & all of a sudden...israel wages an all out war, oil prices are moving back up, & our government's only response has been "hamas started it." lol, fox news even has a commercial kind of like "feed the child," asking for donations to help our israeli friends! when hezbollah & israel were fighting, not a day went by when the US didn't insist on a cease-fire.

    the obama article, was more of a reference to the comment joe biden made about him being tested in the 1st six months & bush leaving the problem all in his hands!

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    I just saw on the news that Bush is talking about a cease fire but nobody is going over to the Middle East.

    Bozzio for president.

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    We got enough problems, Israel can handle theirs. Conspiracy? Who knows, maybe they wanted to get it out of the way before Bush got out of office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen
    I guess I could've explained it, huh?

    basically...what's the real deal behind the whole gaza situation? I mean, I know they've been fighting for years, but this "new war" just sort of popped up without warning...or threats made.

    I guess it's just ironic that the price of oil has dropped 60 percent (from jan 08) & all of a sudden...israel wages an all out war, oil prices are moving back up, & our government's only response has been "hamas started it." lol, fox news even has a commercial kind of like "feed the child," asking for donations to help our israeli friends! when hezbollah & israel were fighting, not a day went by when the US didn't insist on a cease-fire.

    the obama article, was more of a reference to the comment joe biden made about him being tested in the 1st six months & bush leaving the problem all in his hands!
    As we put a close to one of the worse presidency's in the history of this great nation, we should be sure to check out some of the biggest myths that have been floated by his henchmen in an attempt to save himself and his failing legacy. You're right, it is ironic that this war just happened over night.

    These ten myths were posted by Juan Cole an American scholar and historian of modern Middle Eastern and South Asian history. He is Richard P. Mitchell Collegiate Professor of History at the University of Michigan. In 2004, the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations requested Cole's testimony at hearings to better understand the situation in Iraq.

    http://www.juancole.com/2008/12/top-...iraq-2008.html

    1. Iraqis are safer because of Bush's War. In fact, conditions of insecurity have helped created both an internal and external refugee problem:

    ' At least 4.2 million Iraqis were displaced. These included 2.2 million who were displaced within Iraq and some 2 million refugees, mostly in Syria (around 1.4 million) and Jordan (around half a million). In the last months of the year both these neighbouring states, struggling to meet the health, education and other needs of the Iraqi refugees already present, introduced visa requirements that impeded the entry of Iraqis seeking refuge. Within Iraq, most governorates barred entry to Iraqis fleeing sectarian violence elsewhere.'


    2. Large numbers of Iraqis in exile abroad have returned. In fact, no great number have returned, and more Iraqis may still be leaving to Syria than returning.

    3. Iraqis are materially better off because of Bush's war. In fact, A million Iraqis are "food insecure" and another 6 million need UN food rations to survive. Oxfam estimated in summer, 2007, that 28% of Iraqi children are malnourished.

    4. The Bush administration scored a major victory with its Status of Forces Agreement. In fact, The Iraqis forced on Bush an agreement that the US would withdraw combat troops from Iraqi cities by July, 2009,and would completely withdraw from the Country by the end of 2011. The Bush administration had wanted 58 long-term bases, and the authority to arrest Iraqis at will and to launch military operations unilaterally.

    5. Minorities in Iraq are safer since Bush's invasion. In fact, there have in 2008 been significant attacks on and displacement of Iraqi Christians from Mosul. In early January of 2008, guerrillas bombed churches in Mosul, wounding a number of persons. More recently, some 13,000 Christians have had to flee Mosul because of violence.

    6. The sole explanation for the fall in the monthly death rate for Iraqi civilians was the troop excalation or surge of 30,000 extra US troops in 2007. In fact, troop levels had been that high before without major effect. The US military did good counter-insurgency in 2007. The major reason for the fall in the death toll, however, was that the Shiites won the war for Baghdad, ethnically cleansing hundreds of thousands of Sunnis from the capital, and turning it into a city with a Shiite majority of 75 to 80 percent. (When Bush invaded, Baghdad was about 50/50 Sunni and Shiite). The high death tolls in 2006 and 2007 were a by-product of this massive ethnic cleansing campaign. Now, a Shiite militiaman in Baghdad would have to drive for a while to find a Sunni Arab to kill.

    7. John McCain alleged that if the US left Iraq, it would be promptly taken over by al-Qaeda. In fact, there are few followers of Usamah Bin Laden in Iraq. The fundamentalist extremists, if that is what McCain meant, are not supported by most Sunni Arabs. They are supported by no Shiites (60% of Iraq) or Kurds (20% of Iraq), and are hated by Iran, Syria, Turkey, and Jordan, who would never allow such a takeover.

    8. The Iraq War made the world safer from terrorism. In fact, Iraq has become a major training ground for extremists and is implicated in the major bombings in Madrid, London, and Glasgow.

    9. Bush went to war in Iraq because he was given bad intelligence about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction capabilities. In fact, the State Department's Intelligence & Research (I & R) division cast doubt on the alarmist WMD stories that Bush/Cheney put about. The CIA refused to sign off on the inclusion of the Niger uranium lie in the State of the Union address, which made Bush source it to the British MI6 instead. The Downing Street Memo revealed that Bush fixed the intelligence around the policy. Bush sought to get up a provocation such as a false flag attack on UN planes so as to blame it on Iraq. And UN weapons inspectors in Feb.-Mar. of 2003 examined 100 of 600 suspected weapons sites and found nothing; Bush's response was to pull them out and go to war.

    10. Douglas Feith and other Neoconservatives didn't really want a war with Iraq (!). Yeah, that was why they demanded war on Iraq with their 1996 white paper for Bibi Netanyahu and again in their 1998 Project for a New American Century letter to Clinton, where they explicitly called for military action. The Neoconservatives are notorious liars and by the time they get through with rewriting history, they will be a combination of Gandhi and Mother Teresa and the Iraq War will be Bill Clinton's fault. The only thing is, I think people are wise to them by now. Being a liar can actually get you somewhere. Being a notorious liar is a disadvantage if what you want to is get people to listen to you and act on your advice. I say, Never Again.

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    well i dont know much about whats going on with Israel right now but god help the idiot who decided to fuck with them.... the Israelis are some bad ass MOFO's
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    Quote Originally Posted by SL65AMG
    well i dont know much about whats going on with Israel right now but god help the idiot who decided to fuck with them.... the Israelis are some bad ass MOFO's

    It's not hard to be a "badass" when you are killing innocent civilians and not the alleged intended targets. Not hard at all when you're using weapons that we (The United States) provided with aid or weapons that were directly handed to them. Israel, in my eyes, is nothing more than a world sanctioned THUG. I have friends that have experienced firsthand Israeli aggression and all the unmitigated bullshit that comes with it. The picture the media paints with Israel being the victim is erroneous. Israel violated the cease fire.

    What do you expect when you expel ppl from their homes, cut off borders so that you can not leave, bomb mosques and grade schools, and deny delivery of medicine and food?

    This conflict is nothing new. This conflict in a nutshell, is precisely why the rest of the Muslim Arab world hates us. We give aid and support to a country that antagonizes and picks on weaker ppl.

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    I also want to add that I'm thoroughly digusted by the fact that that the world stands by as Israel does whatever it wants to do. The target isn't Hamas. The real premise is to occupy Gaza and install the government of their choosing.

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    Conspiracy theorists are for morons

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    After some reading I can go with the idea that, Israel feels Obama wont be as supportive as the Bush administration (Notice Obama is more focused on the economy than the conflict, while Bush offers his verbal support) so they are trying to get this out of the way now.

    Understand though.. this conflict dates back to biblical times. Honestly I doubt there is much we could do to bring peace, like I said we have our own issues to deal with.

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    i just think that Israel cannot just quit their assault on gaza where the terrorists are because they have to show that they wont take their shit. Obama wont be supportive^^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyFresh
    It's not hard to be a "badass" when you are killing innocent civilians and not the alleged intended targets. Not hard at all when you're using weapons that we (The United States) provided with aid or weapons that were directly handed to them. Israel, in my eyes, is nothing more than a world sanctioned THUG. I have friends that have experienced firsthand Israeli aggression and all the unmitigated bullshit that comes with it. The picture the media paints with Israel being the victim is erroneous. Israel violated the cease fire.
    not hard to do when the terrorists wear no uniforms and purposefully hide in areas with high civilian populations.

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyFresh
    What do you expect when you expel ppl from their homes, cut off borders so that you can not leave, bomb mosques and grade schools, and deny delivery of medicine and food?
    When at war, these are things you do to your enemy. Mosques and grade schools are being bombed because you have the terrorists planning, hiding, or training in those buildings. If those that wish to fight Isreal put on a uniform and fought from areas that would not lead to high civilian casulties then my guess is that civilian casulties would be minimal.


    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyFresh
    This conflict is nothing new. This conflict in a nutshell, is precisely why the rest of the Muslim Arab world hates us. We give aid and support to a country that antagonizes and picks on weaker ppl.
    We give aid and support to a country that is an ally. Why should we not? As for them picking on the little guy, that is false. Israel puts national security over other peoples feelings, which is the way it should be. Also, Israel has plenty of reasons to be wary of others. They have been attacked more times than any other country in the region in the last 30 years, I cant say I blame them for being a bit trigger happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyFresh
    It's not hard to be a "badass" when you are killing innocent civilians and not the alleged intended targets. Not hard at all when you're using weapons that we (The United States) provided with aid or weapons that were directly handed to them. Israel, in my eyes, is nothing more than a world sanctioned THUG. I have friends that have experienced firsthand Israeli aggression and all the unmitigated bullshit that comes with it. The picture the media paints with Israel being the victim is erroneous. Israel violated the cease fire.

    What do you expect when you expel ppl from their homes, cut off borders so that you can not leave, bomb mosques and grade schools, and deny delivery of medicine and food?
    This conflict is nothing new. This conflict in a nutshell, is precisely why the rest of the Muslim Arab world hates us. We give aid and support to a country that antagonizes and picks on weaker ppl.

    are you phuking kidding me. who was firing missiles into who's city?????

    israel didnt violate shit, theyre just showing that they are not to be fucked with, as they should


    the mosque was a weapons store-house. they did the right thing.
    here in the US we wouldnt touch a church/mosque/whatever if we knew it was being used as a weapons storage facility because the hand of PC(political correctness- i.e. we care what people will think about us too much) is stuffed so far up Most peoples asses


    cut off supplies and the people will be much more likely to tell where the terrorists are hiding.


    props to the israelis for having the balls to do what should be done.
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    Israel isnt really a country we helped with the weapons...they have made their own artillary, tanks, vehicles, and their own small arms weapons, they even manufacture most of their own bullets, only thing they really dont have is a navy to speak of...im sure we have helped them out in times of severity, but they really dont need us..their soldiers are trained better than us...our only comparison is our special forces units

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    Quote Originally Posted by SL65AMG
    are you phuking kidding me. who was firing missiles into who's city?????

    israel didnt violate shit, theyre just showing that they are not to be fucked with, as they should


    the mosque was a weapons store-house. they did the right thing.
    here in the US we wouldnt touch a church/mosque/whatever if we knew it was being used as a weapons storage facility because the hand of PC(political correctness- i.e. we care what people will think about us too much) is stuffed so far up Most peoples asses


    cut off supplies and the people will be much more likely to tell where the terrorists are hiding.


    props to the israelis for having the balls to do what should be done.

    i agree with you, but some of what you said is a little bit false...we have attacked mosques, churches, and schools during operation iraqi freedom..back in 2003 when we dropped all those bombs, we took out almost everything baghdad had, that is why it became known as the shock and awe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 09ssturbo
    i agree with you, but some of what you said is a little bit false...we have attacked mosques, churches, and schools during operation iraqi freedom..back in 2003 when we dropped all those bombs, we took out almost everything baghdad had, that is why it became known as the shock and awe.
    i was saying that here on US soil we would never "attack" a place of worship....
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    it would depend...a catholic church, definatly not, because then the vatican would get involved and make it more complicated...if terrorists or an invading country took shelter in a regular christian/or anything other church, it would be an option most likely, cuz if we were invaded, martial law would be called and people would have no more freedoms at all, and anything would be considered.

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    i haven't had a chance to keep responding in this post...but to make my point (which a few of you disagreed with earlier), i still believe that there's some sort of ulterior motive behind this new war. true enough, there's been fighting over there FOR YEARS, but this just seemed a little too random IMO. like i said, we haven't heard ANYTHING leading up to this war...just one day on the news "israel has put tanks on the gaza border, and is initiating airstrikes." the news has mentioned that both israel and palestine have elections soon (which may have something to do with it).

    tony, don't get me wrong...i'm not saying we should get fully involved, but we have the power to tell israel to "take it easy," and they listen. truth be told, the situation is further inflicting damage to our arab world relations...something we DEFINITELY don't need right now.

    i found on cnn that the israel defence force has a youtube channel (also a little "strange"). here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/user/idfnadesk

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    we've had this conversation before steven...

    but yeah i'd nuke israel and every zionist off of the face of the planet if it were up to me... seriously that sh!t gets my blood boiling.

    If it wasn't such a holy place to my religion (as well as most of yours) we cant...

    Greedy zionist bastards


    disclaimer... ANTI ZIONISM IS NOT EQUAL TO ANTI-SEMITISM for you narrow minded folk

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomGuy
    we've had this conversation before steven...

    but yeah i'd nuke israel and every zionist off of the face of the planet if it were up to me... seriously that sh!t gets my blood boiling.

    If it wasn't such a holy place to my religion (as well as most of yours) we cant...

    Greedy zionist bastards


    disclaimer... ANTI ZIONISM IS NOT EQUAL TO ANTI-SEMITISM for you narrow minded folk
    yeah i know...

    you know me though, i'm pretty easygoing and intentionally take the time to understand different people, cultures, etc. it just bothers me that people "hate what they can't understand, and fear what they can't conquer." the end result is always war...war without a TRUE cause. it's pretty fucked up that we can side with individuals who've killed 680 peopleso far...of that number 30% were women & children...100 (as of 1/5/09) were hamas fighters ("the enemy"). not to mention, a fuckin UNITED NATIONS REFUGEE CAMP WAS HIT (KILLING 40 INNOCENT)...and yet...if you kill a motherfucker running into your home who isn't past your front door and facing you...you're deemed a criminal. i understand that there aren't any RIGHT ways to fight a war...but i mean come on. i've yet to see a 10yr old israeli boy on a stretcher with his face swollen 3 times over from shrapnel and the beeping of life support in the background...or israeli kids laying 2 on a stretcher both with a missing leg, and our reporters ARE IN ISRAEL! but yet, fox news has the nerve to have "feed the child" type ads to support our AILING israeli friends. come on man...this particular fight is a joke.

    people in general are greedy...the world is greedy...but it's like damn, when will we ALL learn (rhetorical question, with the answer being NEVER)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen
    yeah i know...

    you know me though, i'm pretty easygoing and intentionally take the time to understand different people, cultures, etc. it just bothers me that people "hate what they can't understand, and fear what they can't conquer." the end result is always war...war without a TRUE cause. it's pretty fucked up that we can side with individuals who've killed 680 peopleso far...of that number 30% were women & children...100 (as of 1/5/09) were hamas fighters ("the enemy"). not to mention, a fuckin UNITED NATIONS REFUGEE CAMP WAS HIT (KILLING 40 INNOCENT)...and yet...if you kill a motherfucker running into your home who isn't past your front door and facing you...you're deemed a criminal. i understand that there aren't any RIGHT ways to fight a war...but i mean come on. i've yet to see a 10yr old israeli boy on a stretcher with his face swollen 3 times over from shrapnel and the beeping of life support in the background...or israeli kids laying 2 on a stretcher both with a missing leg, and our reporters ARE IN ISRAEL! but yet, fox news has the nerve to have "feed the child" type ads to support our AILING israeli friends. come on man...this particular fight is a joke.

    people in general are greedy...the world is greedy...but it's like damn, when will we ALL learn (rhetorical question, with the answer being NEVER)?
    In the last 3 years (since Israel completely left Gaza) there have been more than 10k rockets and mortars fired into Isreali citiesnd town from Gaza. Are you trying to tell me that not a single one of those rockets hurt a civilian? The truth of the matter is that Hamas is purposefully using civilians as a human shield. They have weapons caches in grade schools, firing mortars from mosques, and using refugee camps as training camps. All of these things have been documents beyond a doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    In the last 3 years (since Israel completely left Gaza) there have been more than 10k rockets and mortars fired into Isreali citiesnd town from Gaza. Are you trying to tell me that not a single one of those rockets hurt a civilian? The truth of the matter is that Hamas is purposefully using civilians as a human shield. They have weapons caches in grade schools, firing mortars from mosques, and using refugee camps as training camps. All of these things have been documents beyond a doubt.

    i'm not saying not a single rocket hit a civilian...but think about it this way...hamas is considered a terrorist group for primarily attacking civilians, right? how is israel ANY different? not to mention, israel created a youtube channel showing themselves bombing the hell out of gaza...how come they haven't posted JUST 5 out of 10k shots of hamas hitting them with rockets??? the international press is lined up on the israel/gaza border and not a single one of them has shown footage of a rocket flying into israel. yet, we can see (at any given moment) israeli helicopters blasting away (even dropping clutster bombs which i THOUGHT were illegal to use), jets firing off multiple rounds and dropping bombs, palestinian children and babies with missing limbs...the list goes on.

    i can't deny that there are certain groups that attack israel, but like i said...THIS TIME AROUND, it all seems a little weird, and i seriously doubt launching rockets over the boarder these past 6 months (which is what israel is pissed about) has anything to do with the war. if that's the case, then maybe we should bomb the piss out of mexico for all of the innocent lives that drug cartels take during the drug war...right? if there's dope stashed underneath an orphanage, and guns firing from that "vicinity," fuck the kids...bomb them too! they're only casualties of war!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen
    i'm not saying not a single rocket hit a civilian...but think about it this way...hamas is considered a terrorist group for primarily attacking civilians, right? how is Israel ANY different?
    Because, as I have stated several times, Israel is attacking places that are at the very least known to harbor Hamas fighters. Hamas is the ones putting weapons caches in schools, not the Israelis.


    Quote Originally Posted by stephen
    not to mention, Israel created a youtube channel showing themselves bombing the hell out of gaza...how come they haven't posted JUST 5 out of 10k shots of hamas hitting them with rockets???
    So now the hundreds of news articles documenting the attacks on Israel are made up? It didnt happen because MSNBC didnt show you a video of it?

    The youtube channel can be for any number of reasons if it was, in fact, set up by the Israeli military. Maybe it made to be a warning to others that are planning to help Hamas.

    Quote Originally Posted by stephen
    the international press is lined up on the israel/gaza border and not a single one of them has shown footage of a rocket flying into israel.
    Already answered, but like I said, since MSNBC says its not happening, then you take it as the truth. DO a search and you will find hundreds of articles that seem to say that Hamas is actually firing those rockets.

    Here is a short vid for you too.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIZ3g...eature=related



    Quote Originally Posted by stephen
    yet, we can see (at any given moment) israeli helicopters blasting away (even dropping clutster bombs which i THOUGHT were illegal to use), jets firing off multiple rounds and dropping bombs, palestinian children and babies with missing limbs...the list goes on.
    SO what is your plan for Israel? Just do nothing and hope something will change?

    Quote Originally Posted by stephen
    i can't deny that there are certain groups that attack Israel, but like i said...THIS TIME AROUND, it all seems a little weird, and i seriously doubt launching rockets over the boarder these past 6 months (which is what israel is pissed about) has anything to do with the war. if that's the case, then maybe we should bomb the piss out of mexico for all of the innocent lives that drug cartels take during the drug war...right? if there's dope stashed underneath an orphanage, and guns firing from that "vicinity," fuck the kids...bomb them too! they're only casualties of war!
    Since you know so much about the causes, why dont you inform us all what really caused this this new round of fighting. Israel did its part in the previous cease fire and left Gaza, yet the rockets never stopped falling.

    I'm not a blanket supporter of Israel, but in this case I agree 100% with what they are doing. In fact, I think they are showing alot more compassion than I think is warranted.

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    those were cute responses, but hey you know what...YOU'RE 100% RIGHT. AMERICA IS NEVER WRONG. AMERICAN ALLIES ARE NEVER WRONG. PALESTINIAN WOMEN AND CHILDREN LOSE THEIR RIGHT TO LIVE BECAUSE FOLKS PUT RPG'S IN THEIR BACKYARDS.

    there's NEVER BEEN ANY WRONG DOINGS BY THE "SUPER-POWERS OF THE WORLD."

    a situation like this can NEVER happen...

    BRIEF HISTORY LESSON...ONE YOU CAN RELATE TO:

    Tulsa Oklahoma Race Riots of 1921

    you want the FAMILIAR PORTION?

    Attack by air
    Numerous accounts described airplanes carrying white assailants firing rifles and dropping firebombs on buildings, homes, and fleeing families. The planes, six biplane two-seater trainers left over from World War I, were dispatched from the nearby Curtis Field (now defunct) outside of Tulsa.[8] White law enforcement officials later claimed the sole purpose of the planes was to provide reconnaissance and protect whites against what they described as a "Negro uprising."[8] However, eyewitness accounts and testimony from the survivors confirmed that on the morning of June 1, the planes dropped incendiary bombs and fired rifles at black Tulsans on the ground.[8]

    Even one white newspaper in Tulsa reported that airplanes circled over Greenwood during the riot. That account, however, had the planes working in conjunction with the police department to survey the riot.[citation needed]

    Several groups of blacks attempted to organize a defense, but were ultimately overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of whites and weapons. Many blacks, conceding defeat, surrendered. Still others returned fire, ultimately losing their lives.

    As the fires spread northward through Greenwood, countless black families continued to flee. Many died when trapped by the flames
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_Race_Riot

    hey, maybe those silly negroes had rockets under their homes, and in their backyards too, huh?

    EDIT: oh...and you need to check the date on your youtube vid... december 2007...they were at war during that time.

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    Man half the arab world is pissed because we support Israel. Im still confused as to why we even bother to at this point they really havent done us very many favors and obviously very little if anything is going to stop the fighting because not much has over the past 30+ years. i say at this point cut our losses and let them fend for themselves. Either they blow themselves up or wake up. But seriously though why do we support them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0p7!mu5
    Man half the arab world is pissed because we support Israel. Im still confused as to why we even bother to at this point they really havent done us very many favors and obviously very little if anything is going to stop the fighting because not much has over the past 30+ years. i say at this point cut our losses and let them fend for themselves. Either they blow themselves up or wake up. But seriously though why do we support them?
    because the greedy zionist bastards have infiltrated our government, and are in high places, etc. [/paranoid doomsayer tone]

    A better question is why are they even there to begin with. The whole creation of Israel ... even very recently "colonizing" on people's land... Like it was deemed theirs. What kind of BS is that? How can they bulldoze settlements.

    please watch a video called "occupation 101" or read up the thousands of sources on the web or first hand info from someone over there...

    And of course the pro-israel faggots are going to come into this thread that all of this is propaganda, etc go fuck yourselves Its not.

    I have some really close palestinian friends and I have some FIRST hand accounts of palestinian life in the oppressing israeli occupation.

    All i know is i'm on the boiling point and let any instance of that bs come here, I will have quite a few frags to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomGuy
    because the greedy zionist bastards have infiltrated our government, and are in high places, etc. [/paranoid doomsayer tone]

    A better question is why are they even there to begin with. The whole creation of Israel ... even very recently "colonizing" on people's land... Like it was deemed theirs. What kind of BS is that? How can they bulldoze settlements.

    please watch a video called "occupation 101" or read up the thousands of sources on the web or first hand info from someone over there...

    And of course the pro-israel faggots are going to come into this thread that all of this is propaganda, etc go fuck yourselves Its not.

    I have some really close palestinian friends and I have some FIRST hand accounts of palestinian life in the oppressing israeli occupation.

    All i know is i'm on the boiling point and let any instance of that bs come here, I will have quite a few frags to say the least.
    Honestly i just never really understood why we backed a country that was well from what i understand (and correct me if im wrong) created off another country's soil by a third party. really if anything needed to be created I would say a damn neutral territory all over fuckin gaza so nobody owns it but that isnt going ot happen or help and neither is world intervention. Like I say just let them duke it out. Because all these treaties are going nowhere and its like one big political stunt to bring peace to the middle east. nothing short of a hydrogen bomb is goin to solve that IMO. But I agree with the OP to a point this did come out of nowhere really. But seriously bro i say we just leave them the hell alone and let them solve their own problems seeing as we have a whole hell of a lot to deal with already.

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    Fawk the Middle East. It's been going down the drain since the 80's and there's no turning back. Religion of course was the main concern but it's been long forgotten and now it's more or less who's right and who's wrong. Fudge I can see why many people are speculating the end of world is going to be Dec. 21 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomGuy
    because the greedy zionist bastards have infiltrated our government, and are in high places, etc. [/paranoid doomsayer tone]

    A better question is why are they even there to begin with. The whole creation of Israel ... even very recently "colonizing" on people's land... Like it was deemed theirs. What kind of BS is that? How can they bulldoze settlements.

    please watch a video called "occupation 101" or read up the thousands of sources on the web or first hand info from someone over there...

    And of course the pro-israel faggots are going to come into this thread that all of this is propaganda, etc go fuck yourselves Its not.

    I have some really close palestinian friends and I have some FIRST hand accounts of palestinian life in the oppressing israeli occupation.

    All i know is i'm on the boiling point and let any instance of that bs come here, I will have quite a few frags to say the least.


    Exactly.

    It's easy to quote media propaganda bullshit all day long but as I stated in my previous posts, I have friends who have lived through the occupation and live through the daily aggression that Israel instigates, and I'm sorry but I tend to believe that over some half assed info in my local evening newscast or off some web site. The blocking of borders isn't just a recent thing, something that's happened since the recent happenings. This is shit that has been going on. The bombing of innocent people in Gaza has been going on. The bombing of mosques and schools has been going on. So ppl stand up and form groups to fight those who oppress them and they're terrorists because they don't contribute to our agenda? I'm not Arab or Muslim by any stretch of the imagination but I am tired of what these Zionist fucks are doing and what the rest of the world allows them to do. Fucking genocide is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0p7!mu5
    Man half the arab world is pissed because we support Israel. Im still confused as to why we even bother to at this point they really havent done us very many favors and obviously very little if anything is going to stop the fighting because not much has over the past 30+ years. i say at this point cut our losses and let them fend for themselves. Either they blow themselves up or wake up. But seriously though why do we support them?
    The fact that we ever became militarily(is this a word?) involved in the middle east still stuns me. There is absolutely nothing we can do to curb violence and hatred between any of those countries. They aren't going to give a flying fuck about US involvement when there is hundreds of years of instilled religous hatred involved. Our involvement in any shape or form just adds fuel to the fire. And of course we back the country that is just as bad, but we have good old Fox news to clean that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyFresh
    Fucking genocide is what it is.
    That is EXACTLY what it is! This is EXACTLY what it has been but people turn their cheek because of the religious background.

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    I challenge anyone in this thread who condones Israel's actions to watch Occupation 101 with an open mind. See if that doesn't change your perspective on the issue or at the very least, give an added insight on why things are the way they are and why Palestinians do what they do and embrace so called terrorists or as GW would call em, terrorizers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpine_aw11
    The fact that we ever became militarily(is this a word?) involved in the middle east still stuns me. There is absolutely nothing we can do to curb violence and hatred between any of those countries. They aren't going to give a flying fuck about US involvement when there is hundreds of years of instilled religous hatred involved. Our involvement in any shape or form just adds fuel to the fire. And of course we back the country that is just as bad, but we have good old Fox news to clean that up.

    It's not so much religious hatred as it is hatred for someone coming to your homeland, taking your home and land because someone else said it was ok to do so, and giving you the shaft and telling you to get the fuck on, without any regard for where you're now supposed to go, all the while killing your family along the way for no fucking reason. It has never been a religious based conflict as Palestine or what was known as Palestine was primarily Christian.

    To address BanginJimmy's posts towards me, given what I just explained, why would Israel not come under attack? A fake state/country that should not exist, backed by the British and Americans, land of the Palestinians taken over for more than 100 years now and all the while Palestinian land getting smaller and smaller.

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    I apologize up front because what I'm about to state goes against people that I typically agree with on these subjects. I'm neutral on who is right and who is wrong, I believe the conflict is an unstoppable force.

    With that said, I don't believe Hamas has a leg to stand on as the victim in this when their existence is based on AND written as the annihilation of Israel. I'm sorry, but if my neighbor states that they want to destroy me.. I probably wont adhere to calls for peace until they no longer pose a threat, no matter how small.

    Israel is wrong in their treatment of Palestine but Hamas perpetuates it with their initiative. Absolute blame is like figuring out which came first, the chicken or the egg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony
    I apologize up front because what I'm about to state goes against people that I typically agree with on these subjects. I'm neutral on who is right and who is wrong, I believe the conflict is an unstoppable force.

    With that said, I don't believe Hamas has a leg to stand on as the victim in this when their existence is based on AND written as the annihilation of Israel. I'm sorry, but if my neighbor states that they want to destroy me.. I probably wont adhere to calls for peace until they no longer pose a threat, no matter how small.

    Israel is wrong in their treatment of Palestine but Hamas perpetuates it with their initiative. Absolute blame is like figuring out which came first, the chicken or the egg.
    Tr00f... Still though I dont think we should support either side really. I still have yet to get why we do in the first place.. And if I'm not mistaken half the reason we keep gettin tagged by terrorists has something to do with that at some point and time so it really makes no sense to me. There is truly no justifiable reason whatso ever. At least i havent heard any.

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