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    President George W. Bush will doubtlessly be remembered for many things things, but his parting legacy may yet be his eleventh-hour pledge of $17.4 billion in low-interest loans to General Motors and Chrysler (Ford Motor Company has said it does not require relief at this time).

    The funding will reportedly come from the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), the financial industry bailout package signed off on this fall. Up front, the White House will earmark $17.4 billion in short-term financing for December and January, and in February, another $4 billion will be disbursed, provided it can draw the funds from the second half of TARP's $700 billion.

    More details are doubtlessly coming, but the bridge loans appear to hinge largely on whether General Motors and Chrysler are deemed "viable" enterprises by the government. In the terms of the agreement, that means that the automakers must prove whether they have a "positive net present value, taking into account all current and future costs, and can fully repay the government loan." There's no word yet on how they will prove said viability, but we expect to learn more soon. In the meantime, expect for both General Motors and Chrysler to stick to their previous production suspension announcements.

    Politico has more specifics on the bailout here.



    PRESS RELEASES

    GM Statement on Administration Providing Bridge Loan to Domestic Auto Industry

    We appreciate the President extending a financial bridge at this most critical time for the U.S. auto industry and our nation's economy. This action helps to preserve many jobs, and supports the continued operation of GM and the many suppliers, dealers and small businesses across the country that depend on us.

    This will allow us to accelerate the completion of our aggressive restructuring plan for long-term, sustainable success. It will lead to a leaner, stronger General Motors, a GM that is:

    *dedicated to great products, exciting design, and world-class quality

    *fully committed to leading in energy-saving vehicles and technologies,

    *responsive to the needs of our customers, our stakeholders and the communities we live in and serve.

    We know we have much work in front of us to accomplish our plan. It is our intention to continue to be transparent as we execute our plan, and we will provide regular updates on our progress. We again thank the Administration for this important support of our industry at this challenging time, and we look forward to proving what American ingenuity can achieve.

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    FORD MOTOR COMPANY WELCOMES ACTION TO PROVIDE EMERGENCY FUNDING TO GM AND CHRYSLER

    DEARBORN, Mich., Dec. 19, 2008 – Ford Motor Company said today that it welcomes action by the Administration to provide emergency funding for General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC.

    "As we told Congress, Ford is in a different position. We do not face a near-term liquidity issue, and we are not seeking short-term financial assistance from the government," Ford President and CEO Alan Mulally said. "But all of us at Ford appreciate the prudent step the Administration has taken to address the near-term liquidity issues of GM and Chrysler. The U.S. auto industry is highly interdependent, and a failure of one of our competitors would have a ripple effect that could jeopardize millions of jobs and further damage the already weakened U.S. economy."

    Ford recently submitted to Congress its comprehensive business plan, which details the company's plan to return to pre-tax Automotive profitability by 2011. In the plan, Ford said the transformation of its North American automotive business will continue to accelerate through aggressive restructuring actions and the introduction of more high-quality, safe and fuel-efficient vehicles – including a broader range of hybrid-electric vehicles and the introduction of advanced plug-in hybrids and full electric vehicles.

    "Ford has a comprehensive transformation plan that will ensure our future viability – as evidenced by our profitability in the first quarter of 2008," Mulally said. "While we clearly still have much more work to do, I am more convinced than ever that we have the right plan that will create a viable Ford going forward and position us for profitable growth."

    Ford is asking for access to a line of credit of up to $9 billion in bridge financing, but reiterated that it hopes to complete its transformation without accessing a government loan.

    "For Ford, a line of credit would serve only as a critical backstop or safeguard against worsening conditions, as we drive transformational change in our company," Mulally said.

    Ford reiterated that it is continuing aggressive actions to reduce costs and improve Automotive gross cash to fund its product-led transformation plan, despite the continued weakness in the global automotive market and economic environment. Ford said it is more committed than ever to deliver more of the safe, affordable, high-quality, fuel-efficient vehicles that consumers want and value. The company's plans include:

    * Delivering best-in-class or among the best fuel economy with every new vehicle introduced.
    * Investing approximately $14 billion in the U.S. on advanced technologies and products to improve fuel efficiency during the next seven years.
    * Introducing industry-leading, fuel-saving EcoBoost engines on today's vehicles for up to 20 percent better fuel economy and up to 15 percent fewer CO2 emissions versus larger-displacement engines.
    * Bringing to market by 2012 a family of hybrids, plug-in hybrids and battery electric vehicles.
    * Upgrading the Ford, Lincoln, Mercury lineup in North America almost completely by the end of 2010.
    * Bringing six European small vehicles from global B-car and C-car platforms to be built in Ford's North America plants.
    * Retooling three North American truck plants to produce small, fuel efficient vehicles.
    * Building on vehicle quality that is now on par with Honda and Toyota – and that consistently is being recognized by important third-parties like J.D. Power and Associates' Initial Quality Study – driven by Ford's disciplined and standardized processes for every product.
    * Building on vehicle safety leadership – with the most U.S. government 5-star safety ratings of any auto company and recently moving past Honda for the industry's most IIHS "Top Safety Picks" – plus new smart safety features, such as the industry-first MyKey technology that limits top speed and audio volume for teens and the first forward crash-avoidance system for mainstream vehicles.
    * Supporting Ford's products with a lean, flexible global manufacturing system on par with leading Japanese and European facilities.

    To read Ford's submission to the U.S. Congress and for more information about Ford's plan, please visit www.thefordstory.com.

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    Chrysler LLC Thanks the Administration and Treasury for Their Confidence

    Auburn Hills, Mich., Dec 19, 2008 - Chrysler LLC Chairman and CEO Bob Nardelli said on behalf of the men and women of Chrysler and its extended enterprise, that he would like to thank the Administration and Treasury for their confidence in the Company.

    "A letter of intent was signed which outlines the specific requirements that must be achieved," said Nardelli. "These requirements will require consideration from all constituents, requiring commitment first in principal, leading to implementation this coming year. Chrysler is committed to meeting these requirements."

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    Nardelli said the Company would remain focused on its challenge and this initial injection of working capital would help bridge the liquidity crisis the industry is facing and assist in helping return Chrysler to profitability.


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    This struggle reminded me of the first time I had to wrangle the keys out of my dad's hand to go for that first solo drive haha. You knew you were going to get it - but they're not going to give up that easy.

    Thats what this was all about - drama...

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    BOOO, should let them fail and go bankrupt, canceling the Union contracts, then come in and help them.

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    why aren't to foreign car companies struggling --- OHHHH thats right- they build shit that is worth a damn which is why my 1994 civic has only needed (the most expensive repair) a new ignition system at $500 (14 years since new) and my wifes POS '02 Ford Fuckus needed a $3 fuse that cost $300 to get (TWICE MIND YOU) since it needed special Ford tools to get up in the dash so that I could pass FOOKING emissions (for a dash light!!!!!).












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    /end run on sentence rant.
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    yea,union is what is fucking it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsany(atl)
    BOOO, should let them fail and go bankrupt, canceling the Union contracts, then come in and help them.
    If your dinner budget was on the line, you wouldn't say that.
    This isnt about helping the companies, its about letting their employees keep their jobs (for votes).

    IF the big manufacturors fail, it'll cause untold billions in losses that'll trickle down through the suppliers etc - ultimately hitting us, the consumer.

    Supposedly this is a loan - we'll see. I'm just looking forward to 2010 so we can put this shit behind us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlblkz06
    If your dinner budget was on the line, you wouldn't say that.
    This isnt about helping the companies, its about letting their employees keep their jobs (for votes).

    IF the big manufacturors fail, it'll cause untold billions in losses that'll trickle down through the suppliers etc - ultimately hitting us, the consumer.

    Supposedly this is a loan - we'll see. I'm just looking forward to 2010 so we can put this shit behind us.
    First of all the problem with the big three is the Unions, and that is who the bailout is for. And there will be problems well past 2010, not sure where that # came from.

    UAW $75 per hour, Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Hyundai $45 per hour.

    Also the UAW gave $1.8 million in donations to Govt offiials campaigns who were pro bailout.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-po...-bailout-inter

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsany(atl)
    First of all the problem with the big three is the Unions, and that is who the bailout is for. And there will be problems well past 2010, not sure where that # came from.

    UAW $75 per hour, Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Hyundai $45 per hour.

    Also the UAW gave $1.8 million in donations to Govt offiials campaigns who were pro bailout.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-po...-bailout-inter
    I dont think he was completely disagreeing with you.

    I personally think they should fail, wipe the unions, and try again. The problem is, though, the immediate impact of them failing would hit HARD throughout the U.S. It may not be worth the risk, and if it is, it's too hard to call.

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    Good. Im glad.. it was just a matter of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsany(atl)
    First of all the problem with the big three is the Unions, and that is who the bailout is for. And there will be problems well past 2010, not sure where that # came from.

    UAW $75 per hour, Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Hyundai $45 per hour.

    Also the UAW gave $1.8 million in donations to Govt offiials campaigns who were pro bailout.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-po...-bailout-inter

    where do you get this figure? 23$-28$ is more like it!




    Do auto workers really make more than $70 per hour?

    How much does a UAW member make at a domestic auto plant? Various sites have cited the figure at an average of seventy-three dollars an hour (The Heritage Foundation). Keith Olbermann says that the figure is actually at twenty-eight before benefits, which only add ten dollars to the amount. Other sources indicate that Toyota workers (who are not unionized) made more last year after profit sharing was calculated. So clear it up for us. What's the real bottom line?

    A: No. That figure is derived from what the auto companies pay in wages, health, retirement and other benefits, and includes the cost of providing benefits to retirees.

    Continued>>>
    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/do_auto_workers_r...
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    As Airmax said - I'm with you. I wish the stinkin' unions would go to hell.

    But the numbers are misleading. They only make $2x an hour but it costs GM about 75/hr to hire them because of all the added costs like inefficient management, and unrealistically good benefits. I may be wrong but this is what I think from limited research.

    Ultimately this is all a political game of chess - its not really about whats right or wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by nsany(atl)
    First of all the problem with the big three is the Unions, and that is who the bailout is for. And there will be problems well past 2010, not sure where that # came from.

    UAW $75 per hour, Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Hyundai $45 per hour.

    Also the UAW gave $1.8 million in donations to Govt offiials campaigns who were pro bailout.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-po...-bailout-inter

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    Huge surprise there... Bush had to get one more fuck up in before he left.

    Because it is after all the tax payers fault that domestic car manufactures don't give a shit about engineering, and efficiency.

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    They are paying for UAW retirements, the "Normal" person pays for their own retirement out of their check, not added to their check. All these bailouts are doing is delaying the failure. They are wasting "our" money, all these companies will be back in a few years asking for more money. If we really are a capitalist society we should let them fail and let the strongest come back and survive. But we are turning into a socialist society so that won't happen. We are going to end up like the USSR with no middle class and everyone is poor or super rich b/c the bailouts bankrupted our country.


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    General Motors says its total hourly costs are $69 an hour - including the pension and health benefits of more than 432,000 retired workers. Toyota, which has fewer retirees and less costly benefit packages, says its total wage costs average $48 an hour.

    $28.87 Honda workers earn includes the base wage of $24.80, plus an attendance bonus of $1.25 for each hour worked, a bonus-sharing program that adds $2.32 per hour, and an earnings payment of 50 cents per hour. Also, Honda workers are offered a competitive health care plan.

    At the Jeep plant in Toledo, workers were concerned about the perceptions of what they are paid.

    "We haven't had a raise," said Glenn Paisie, 53, of Point Place, a 30-year employee. "We don't get no raises. … We're only making a couple bucks more an hour than the foreign plants down in Georgia. The problem is they don't have any retirees to pay for. That's the biggest problem."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdmjames
    why aren't to foreign car companies struggling --- OHHHH thats right- they build shit that is worth a damn which is why my 1994 civic has only needed (the most expensive repair) a new ignition system at $500 (14 years since new) and my wifes POS '02 Ford Fuckus needed a $3 fuse that cost $300 to get (TWICE MIND YOU) since it needed special Ford tools to get up in the dash so that I could pass FOOKING emissions (for a dash light!!!!!).












    Foocking fords



    /end run on sentence rant.

    That is funny ... Your repair was enough to total the car through Insurance....LOL... Yea those Imports doe hold so much value...


    If I remember correctly Ford is not asking for money...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivenMind
    Huge surprise there... Bush had to get one more fuck up in before he left.
    Because it is after all the tax payers fault that domestic car manufactures don't give a shit about engineering, and efficiency.
    The problem isn't the manufactures. Its the unions that caused this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJ25RUN
    The problem isn't the manufactures. Its the unions that caused this.
    QFT!

    I am quite happy with this move, other than the fact of the damn Union...sumbishes! I breath easy for a few more months, just keeping a prayer on my lips, hoping I still have a job next week. GM rollercoster....ugh.
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    lol ford fuckus, but anyway about this bail out. doesnt GM have three months to show and prove that they are making profit from the loan that they are receiving? i mean thats alot of money, is three months enough time to prove that they are headed in a positive direction? somebody explain to me, maybe im missing something.
    Quote Originally Posted by jdmjames
    why aren't to foreign car companies struggling --- OHHHH thats right- they build shit that is worth a damn which is why my 1994 civic has only needed (the most expensive repair) a new ignition system at $500 (14 years since new) and my wifes POS '02 Ford Fuckus needed a $3 fuse that cost $300 to get (TWICE MIND YOU) since it needed special Ford tools to get up in the dash so that I could pass FOOKING emissions (for a dash light!!!!!).












    Foocking fords



    /end run on sentence rant.

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    no car company is going to show a profit this year, and I doubt there will be any that show a proit next year either. People are spending their money getting out of debt right now, not buying new cars/trucks. Even Toyota is going to lose money this year for the first time since before (fixed for EJ25RUN) WWII.

    On the other side, if congress would remove the ban on offshore drilling and allow us to produce our own oil, therefore securing cheap oil for the immediate future, trucks and large SUV's would start to sell again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    no car company is going to show a profit this year, and I doubt there will be any that show a proit next year either. People are spending their money getting out of debt right now, not buying new cars/trucks. Even Toyota is going to lose money this year for the first time since the end of WWII.

    On the other side, if congress would remove the ban on offshore drilling and allow us to produce our own oil, therefore securing cheap oil for the immediate future, trucks and large SUV's would start to sell again.
    Actually Toyota will show a loss for the first time in 71 years.

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    As long as major corporations exploit their workers there will be Unions, point fingers if you'd like. I'm against Unions just as much as you guys but look at the bigger picture here, the people wouldn't feel the need to organize if they were in a working environment that put a little emphasis on the backbone of the company.. the employees rather than nothing but profits.

    The big 3 created this mess, even the unions. Without the unions they will still fail under the initiative they have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony
    As long as major corporations exploit their workers there will be Unions, point fingers if you'd like. I'm against Unions just as much as you guys but look at the bigger picture here, the people wouldn't feel the need to organize if they were in a working environment that put a little emphasis on the backbone of the company.. the employees rather than nothing but profits.

    The big 3 created this mess, even the unions. Without the unions they will still fail under the initiative they have now.

    I agree to a point, but the UAW has gained enough political power that they are exploiting the Big 3. Without the over the top retirement program and other benefits the Big 3 could increase the quality of their vehicles and/or significantly lower their prices. Something as simple as replacing the retirement package with a 401k that the Big 3 contribute 2-1 with their employees would save them several million a month.

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