made in america must make a comeback!

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this is such bullshit!! you guys are saying americans dont deserve to make a decent living! are you fucking kidding me! who cares if they sweep floors or turn screws at gm they still deserve to make a decent wage! but yet you bitch about a auto worker working in a hot factory shift after shift makeing 30$ a hour! but yet you say absolutly nothing about the ceo's getting 20 million dollar boneus!

that is perfectly fine he did a good job even with record losses! pull your head out of your asses! no one on the planet is worth 20 mil a year! but you sure will bitch about a guy making 30$ a year turning screws in a factory! even tho the average toyota worker in japan makes a average 35$ hour and german auto workers get close to 40$ hour! but yet they keep importing this crap tax free! And more americans lose jobs!

Americans like to watch TV, play on Internet , play video games and drink beer,and shop. We have become a lazy society! what a load of shit with record number of people unemployed! hell they can sit at home go broke if they cant make a decent wage! whats the point of going to work at a slave wage? if walmart raised the price of every thing in there stores buy 1 cent they could more that afford to pay employees well over 10$ a hour but i am sure you guys will say they are not worth that! but what are they to do? if they cant make a liveing? i am sure there a lot of rice rich republicans to rob!

and while you young republicans that have your head up your asses! That think you have a lot in common with those ceo's making milions and billions! you dont! you have more in common with the crazed lunatic living under a bridge that you ever will with those guys! and that is how those guys see you as!

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this is such bullshit!! you guys are saying americans dont deserve to make a decent living! are you fucking kidding me! who cares if they sweep floors or turn screws at gm they still deserve to make a decent wage! but yet you bitch about a auto worker working in a hot factory shift after shift makeing 30$ a hour! but yet you say absolutly nothing about the ceo's getting 20 million dollar boneus!

that is perfectly fine he did a good job even with record losses! pull your head out of your asses! no one on the planet is worth 20 mil a year! but you sure will bitch about a guy making 30$ a year turning screws in a factory! even tho the average toyota worker in japan makes a average 35$ hour and german auto workers get close to 40$ hour! but yet they keep importing this crap tax free! And more americans lose jobs!

Americans like to watch TV, play on Internet , play video games and drink beer,and shop. We have become a lazy society! what a load of shit with record number of people unemployed! hell they can sit at home go broke if they cant make a decent wage! whats the point of going to work at a slave wage? if walmart raised the price of every thing in there stores buy 1 cent they could more that afford to pay employees well over 10$ a hour but i am sure you guys will say they are not worth that! but what are they to do? if they cant make a liveing? i am sure there a lot of rice rich republicans to rob!

and while you young republicans that have your head up your asses! That think you have a lot in common with those ceo's making milions and billions! you dont! you have more in common with the crazed lunatic living under a bridge that you ever will with those guys! and that is how those guys see you as!

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this is such bullshit!! you guys are saying americans dont deserve to make a decent living! are you fucking kidding me! who cares if they sweep floors or turn screws at gm they still deserve to make a decent wage! but yet you bitch about a auto worker working in a hot factory shift after shift makeing 30$ a hour! but yet you say absolutly nothing about the ceo's getting 20 million dollar boneus!

No you are only seeing YOUR side of the argument. Let me explain:

The CEOs making 30MIllion while their company tanks, IS A PROBLEM. I never said it wasnt, go read my post in the BAILOUT thread, im against it, we are in DANGEROUS territory. Think about it......
1) GOVT Bails out the Auto INdustry, that means we are giving money to poeple that run a shitty business and made BAD BUSINESS DEALS with the UNIONS. The handwriting has been on the wall for A LONG TIME.

2) If we bail them out, the GOVT wants a "car czar" to oversee the companies that get the money from the GOVT. Thats about as close to socialism as it gets, so what happens when we have the GOVT telling the "companies" what to do and how to invest their money and run their business? DANGEROUS, absolutely dangerous considering the govt cant run ANY thing right now correctly.

3) Do you really think they can take 25 billion and turn their companies around in 6 months or less (remember the bail out money is only to get them to March). What if the recession DEEPENS? what then, bail them out again? INflation? wheres the money coming from? Our money printers are running out of ink.......

4) How can we sit here and justify giving them money, when their execs are making MILLIONS while the company is going down in flames?

I assure you the answer is not paying the janitor $80,000 a year, and paying the CEO $28,000,000. No the answer is, if we want a LONG TERM FIX we let them go into bankruptcy an restructure. Not give them a handout that almost certainly is not going to work.

Furthermore, alot of the GM workers make WELL over $30 an hour, im sorry but $30/hour to do MENIAL jobs is not cost effective. Thats $60,000 a year roughly, and these are LOW END FACTORY JOBS. No one DESERVES anything an that is my point. But the real problem is with the unions.

Did you know that they employ more people than is needed. Example, a certain job calls for 100 workers at GM Plant. They hire 125. The extra 25 people are their IN CASE one of the 100 slots doesnt show up. But if all 100 peple are there, the extra 25 get paid FULL SALARY even though they do NOTHING. ALot of them admit to playing cards or just hanging out doing absolutely NOTHING. How is that cost effective?

$2000 of every car sold goes to their extremely expensive PENSION Plan. How is that a good business model?

IIRC GMs healthcare is also one of their most expensive plans out there for them in terms of COST.

So, you got 28MILLION a year CEO, employees making way over what they SHOULD be making, pension plans and healthcare plans put in place by the unions that are much to expensive, how do YOU PROPOSE THEY MAKE MONEY? If you think the answer is MAKE MORE CARS HERE then you have alot of business classes to take.

FYI Jap cars are made in the USA an they make it work, how is that?

that is perfectly fine he did a good job even with record losses! pull your head out of your asses! no one on the planet is worth 20 mil a year! but you sure will bitch about a guy making 30$ a year turning screws in a factory! even tho the average toyota worker in japan makes a average 35$ hour and german auto workers get close to 40$ hour! but yet they keep importing this crap tax free! And more americans lose jobs!

The difference is the Germans and the Japs dont have UNIONS,not like ours at least, and they are making a PROFIT. Toyota overtook GM in marketshare a few years ago. Hell if the company is making money pay whatever you want.

Microsoft employed more millionaire secrataries than anyone in the world (because they took stock options), but they were MAKING MONEY, so who cares.

WHen you have an industry that has time and time again FAILED, you have to fix it.

As far as importing tax free that isnt true. You have no idea how the industry works. Almost ALL the foreign cars are built HERE, IN THE USA, EMPLOYING AMERICAN WORKERS!@ From BMW in South Carolina, to Honda in GA an Ohio, to Toyota, etc. Alot of the AMERICAN Cars are outsourced, again, because of the incredible costs associated with their UNION STRUCTURE

Americans like to watch TV, play on Internet , play video games and drink beer,and shop. We have become a lazy society! what a load of shit with record number of people unemployed! hell they can sit at home go broke if they cant make a decent wage! whats the point of going to work at a slave wage? if walmart raised the price of every thing in there stores buy 1 cent they could more that afford to pay employees well over 10$ a hour but i am sure you guys will say they are not worth that! but what are they to do? if they cant make a liveing? i am sure there a lot of rice rich republicans to rob!

Record number of unemployed? its at 6.7%, Carter was well over 15%.

Minimum wage is about to be raised to $7 an hour in 2009, if you want to make a DECENT WAGE, get an education. If you want to make a decent wage, learn a skill. But, also realize that not every job pays $100,000 a year. You are WORTH what you are WORTH, and a janitor is not worth $80,000 a year sorry. He doesnt get to drive a Ferrari, he doesnt get to own a $700,000 home.

WHen did this country become about making the RICH POORER instead of the POOR RICHER? I mean come on!

WalMart pays actually pretty well for what they employ which is STOCKERS and CASHIERS. But im sure you think they should make $60,000 a year for ringing up your $2 a gallong milk

The comment about raising everything a penny is so ludicrous im not going to go into it. Why should a company shoulder the burden to pay their employees more than what they are WORTH? Most of them make a decent living. But come on you really think there is a CAREER in working at Wal Mart as a Cashier? If that is your career choice then you shot awfully low in terms of your life goals.

and while you young republicans that have your head up your asses! That think you have a lot in common with those ceo's making milions and billions! you dont! you have more in common with the crazed lunatic living under a bridge that you ever will with those guys! and that is how those guys see you as!

We dont have anything in common with the big shot CEO, none of us do. But what SOME people understand is that a person should be paid what they are WORTH. There are things that determine that, like EDUCATION, TEST SCORES, PERSEVERANCE, JOB PERFORMANCE, ETC

NOT, hey that guy makes more, I DESERVE MORE!

MADE IN AMERICA will only drive YOUR cost of goods UP, and we will then LOSE EVEN MORE JOBS , then i suppose you will make a thread how the EVIL CORPORATIONS OF THE WORLD HAVE DONE YOU WRONG.

The answer IMO is the Fair TAx, and i hope we move in that direction.