Originally Posted by 112480
Well saidMike..... man hopefully one day you will wake up. At least we know who you voted for... the economy florurished??? HAHAHA!!!!!!
Actually the economy did flourish during Bush's Presidency until the housing bubble burst. You can look at all measures of the economy and you will see that. Huge gains in the GDP, corporate and personal incomes ere way up, taxes were lower.
Greg you should really educate yourself.Well said
The numbers dont lie, the economy has seen some of the BEST NUMBERS UNDER BUSHs TERM. And he had to deal with 9/11, something clinton never had to deal with. And we have a war going on.
GDP, Personal salaries, taxes, unemployment, etc all were PHENOMENAL under BUSH.
Hell we had a 96% unemployment rate, how do you do that with a BAD ECONOMY?
Go read up on some stuff before you start believing everything that is being told to you
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what #s are u reading. u must have been in your own world for last few years.Greg you should really educate yourself.
The numbers dont lie, the economy has seen some of the BEST NUMBERS UNDER BUSHs TERM. And he had to deal with 9/11, something clinton never had to deal with. And we have a war going on.
GDP, Personal salaries, taxes, unemployment, etc all were PHENOMENAL under BUSH.
Hell we had a 96% unemployment rate, how do you do that with a BAD ECONOMY?
Go read up on some stuff before you start believing everything that is being told to you
Bigger crook than Nixon?
Right $20 says Obama makes Nixon look like an open book.
Responded to 9/11 like a moron?
Right considering the guy had a 90% approval rating after 9/11. Cause going after Bin Laden and the gang was the wrong move
Responded to Katrina like an asshole?
I love this one. I'll have find the link but you do realize that the slow response had next to nothing to do with him right? You do realize that the President can not be sent into an area by the President. the Governor or Mayor have to request it. Go find out how long it took either to do so.
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Of course he had a sky rocketing approval rating after 9/11. There is nothing like a good old fashioned, "evil" enemy to stir up the popular sentiments of slumbering patriotism. It's the oldest tricks in the persuasive politicians book.Bigger crook than Nixon?
Right $20 says Obama makes Nixon look like an open book.
Responded to 9/11 like a moron?
Right considering the guy had a 90% approval rating after 9/11
Responded to Katrina like an asshole?
I love this one. I'll have find the link but you do realize that the slow response had next to nothing to do with him right? You do realize that the President can not be sent into an area by the President. the Governor or Mayor have to request it. Go find out how long it took either to do so.
What, do you think the American people are going to boo, and hiss because he was spouting off empty rhetoric about an getting the "bad guy", bring those responsible to justice, and "winning"? Absolutely not.
But yea... some how I missed the part where invading Iraq, had anything to do with capturing the US trained group of militant extremist Saudis responsible for 9/11. Call me fucking crazy, but if a group of influential extremists nationals, from Poland whom our government had close ties to, pulled of the biggest attack on our countries soil in recent history, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to launch a full scale invasion, and forced regime change in Germany, because they had some outdated weapons, and a leader with a bad attitude. Now replace "Poland" with "Afghanistan" and "Germany" with "Iraq". The logic is simple.
RedGT don't give me that shit about Bush not being a crock. His Vice President is the former head of fucking Halliburton. Are you not aware of what services Halliburton provides for the US military? I mean really are you so fucking blind to not see how obvious this kind of shit is. It's blatant profiteering. He didn't pick anyone in his administration based on credentials, they're all businessmen, and they all stood mysteriously to make a god damned fortune off of the Iraq war, mostly at the cost of their own fucking people, via the exploitation of the general publics fear after 9/11. Yea bro, that's a fucking crook.
It's fucking astonishing how open they can be about this shit, and some people still not be even remotely suspicious, still happily waving the conservative ideology flag around, like it's some kind of cool uber-patriotic thing to suck Republican dick, while they rape and pillage your own people, and drive your country into the ground because they don't really give a shit, and neither do we. It's really fucking amazing.
But I guess it's all just unfortunate coincidence.
most of your post is simply mindless babble, but here are a points for you to consider.
You mentioned the profiteering of Cheney, yet you dont mention the ties that Obama and a few of his apointments have to the FM's and the bills they passed that directly caused them to profit from it.
Those same people that bring up republicans blindly sucking Bush's dick, are the ones that are blindly sucking Obama's. Every time someone mentions all of Obama's friends and advisors who have been outed as hating America or profitting from illegal activites they are called a racist or simply told that Obama didnt know about it so it should be ignored.
Dems always talk down about how McCain said the fundamentals of our economy were still strong, yet they ignore the remarks by Barney Frank when he said the FM's were strong, right before they collapsed. Al;so not mentioned was the huge amounts of campaign donations given to these dems by the same people that were cooking the books at the FM's.
How about Pelosi's land deal in Cali where she bought what was basicly worthless land at a very good price, right before she pushed a bill through that made that land worth more than 10x what it was bought for.
Bush's approval rating was high after 9/11 because everyone was literally, up in arms because of the attacks. Most Americans wanted something to be done to, not only make them feel safe, but to get some retribution as well. People wanted action to be taken and were willing sacrifice their own freedoms & support just about anything that was remotely close to getting the pay back they wanted. When Bush promised action, he told the masses what they wanted to hear so, of course his approval rating was high during that time.Right considering the guy had a 90% approval rating after 9/11
As for going after Bin Laden and the gang...that idea was quickly abandoned when Iraq became the primary focus of the "war on terror".
I give bush a 1 for couples of reasons. We put billions of dollars in the irag economic every month and they have a 90 billion surplus. While United States people are struggling to keep there homes and jobs. Also the reason the housing market is struggles because the Republican Party supports no regulation (a joke). We are trying to free a country that dont want or need our help. We are supporting the Iraq economic and they try to offer an oil partnership with Russia and not us. When Katrina hit it was not his fault that the people didnt leave but he is to blame for the late response. Also what you didnt hear after Katrina people couldnt leave because the army and police threaten to shoot them if they cross the bridge. When a storm hit the Mid West or Ca Fema reacts within 1-2 day not weeks. The City of New Orleans is still in the same shape years after, what happen to all the Federal money that was given to repair the city ( Which Dick Cheney company have the contracts for New Orleans and Iraq). Clinton was smart he never show how weak or strong the United States and no country were willing to find. Now bush have shown the world our weakness and now we get bitch slap by North Korea, Iran etc..
Wrong. The reason the housing market is as bad as it is is because the Dems pushed through legislation that basically required banks to give loans to people that could never pay them back. IMHO I don't see how renegotiating principle on home loans fixes anythings. The only way I see to start is over is to put the original requirements back in and enforce them. As for the people facing foreclosure. That sucks but why should everyone suffer for the mistakes a few. Let the bottom REALLY fall out and let's start over.
See my other postWhen Katrina hit it was not his fault that the people didnt leave but he is to blame for the late response.
I want to see concrete proof of this. I have heard this a few times but no one has ever backed up their claimAlso what you didnt hear after Katrina people couldnt leave because the army and police threaten to shoot them if they cross the bridge.
Not surprised. Who the hell lives in a city that is below sea level. CNN did a special on this about a year after and found that most people that left there that didnt come back found better opportunities living conditions then Pre-Katrina NO.The City of New Orleans is still in the same shape years after,
And that would be? The one country I would not want us to get into a war with is China. They could field our army a dozen times over.Clinton was smart he never show how weak or strong the United States and no country were willing to find. Now bush have shown the world our weakness and now we get bitch slap by North Korea, Iran etc..
God I love how much people drink the cool aid but fail to do research.
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If you want proof read a damn New Orleans news paper. What happen to the 2000 million to fix the levels which are still leaking and letting water in the city. I guess you ever been to New Orleans before the storm cause living anywhere esle would be better. But what ever everyone has their opinion
I just did a search and couldnt find any articles saying that people trying to leave NO were threatened by the Army. All I found was an article that said Grenta Police would not allow refugees to come into their city.
As for the "levels", you can blame the LOCAL govt in NO for that one. They used the money for other programs instead of using it to fix and upgrade levies.In an interview with UPI, Gretna Police Chief Arthur Lawson confirmed that his department shut down the bridge to pedestrians: "If we had opened the bridge, our city would have looked like New Orleans does now: looted, burned and pillaged."
Hurricane IKe prove the levels are still leaking and not repair correctly. I have family that live 100 yard from the level that had 4 feet of water in their yards. That happen with out the storm being anywhere close to
New Orleans. The local govement is reponsible for the repair of the levels it belong to the federal govement. The corp was pull from the project because of their poor design for the first levels. Also dont forget that cheney company owns the contract to repair New Orleans and every thing look the same. The only work that is repair that is going on in New Orleans is done by private company. If you want the article about the bridge try nola.com back edition. If that does not work Hbo did a mini series on the Kartina.
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I vote 6 because bush had a a lot of bad things happen during his terms... I felt they could of been handled better but no one is perfect
Last I checked, a President has the power to call for immediate action without the say so of Congress to get something started while he waits for the full cooperation (I can't remember the actual time frame, I took government classes about ten years ago). Also, I could probably run the country better, along with many other people. We wouldn't be corrupted by all of the oil companies that got us to that place (we do know about Cheney's previous job and his $30 million severance package, and we do know about where Bush's family got most of their money).
As for Mr. Kidd, blinders dude, I think you've glossed over some figures, or gotten them from the "conservative media."
Some say that his politics are terrifying, and that he once punched a horse to the ground...
Other than the funding he approved for AIDS research/prevention, his lows FAR out weighed his "highs".
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Bush straight up sucked balls!! I mean I even think that SAMMICH could even be a better President then BUSH!!!
and about OBAMA!! Holly shltt ! I think I will move to Germany!
bush is a moron there is something to be said that it only took him 8 years to figure out our economy wasn't doing so hot... the word RECESSION just entered his vocab recently
from failed domestic/international policies, katrina, and gun blazing attitude... i think history will only tell the one positive action was how he handled 911.
What a Fail. Weapon's of mass destruction? His entire presidency has been based on lies, miscommunication, and screwed up "intelligence".
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And the Bank Bail out? WHAT A JOKE! All he did was bail out his buddies. Try getting a loan for a new car or house, the banksters have horded all of our money. America got the short end of the stick and when it came time to bail us out from the auto industry, the industry that actually employs hard working Americas, how resistant were they? This industry drives America, puts food on our table and gas in our tanks that help keep us moving. They were afraid our tax dollars would actually benefit us.
And those still supporting him,
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While Bush did sign off on it, it was the dems, and Pelosi in particular that really pushed the bank bailout. When it failed in the house the first time, Pelosi added bribes into the bill to get the votes she needed to pass it.And the Bank Bail out? WHAT A JOKE! All he did was bail out his buddies. Try getting a loan for a new car or house, the banksters have horded all of our money. America got the short end of the stick and when it came time to bail us out from the auto industry, the industry that actually employs hard working Americas, how resistant were they? This industry drives America, puts food on our table and gas in our tanks that help keep us moving. They were afraid our tax dollars would actually benefit us.
And those still supporting him,
The auto bailout, again, blame the dems as they are the ones that killed it. Bush is actually the one that pushed it through.
But go ahead and hate on Bush, facts are irrelevant anyways.
What about spending $410 million A DAY on a war that still has no bases and is considered a complete disaster and mistake? Where are the weapons of mass destruction? Were we lead to believe things just so the government could have an unjust strong military holding in a middle east where the US has much interests for its own sake? All this done in the name of democracy and freedom, when we ourselves have acted so unjust.
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what does all this have to do with the post about the bailouts that you quoted?
I wont comment on the WMD aspect as the same info we used was used by another couple dozen countries that went into Iraq with us. I will say that I found several articles that pointed out that there was plenty of proof that WMD labs existed in Iraq. I guess that the 3+ months of warning that he had that we were coming were enough to get rid of them. On top of that, there is plenty of public info stating that Iraq did have WMD's as late as 01, and we all know that Sadaam had no problems using them. Also, it was a fact that we would have been in Iraq eventually anyways. It was only a matter of time before he pushed too far.
This is his presidency which I believe is the topic of the thread. The gangsters in Washington and the banksters in wall street are really taking this country for a ride.
Maybe one man isn't to blame for all this but hell, this all happened during his presidency. It well reflect upon him without a doubt. He is supposed to lead this country.
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Just FYI the average IA Bush Score is 3.95 out of 10
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I gave him a 2, I hate him, he sucks, HORRIBLY. BUT he handled 9/11 ok at the time so..
LOL @ the Bush lovers in here having a pissy fit because nobody likes their loved cock sucker.
Some people just DON'T get it. LOL. To each his own.
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I suppose McCain couldn't do far much damage than Bush ever could... correct? Sounds like to me that's what you are saying.
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McCain would have been a horrible president, but none of the changes he was going to make would be lasting, or very hard to change. Obama's health care plan, and his obsession with appeasing the Euros, will create programs that will be nearly impossible for anyone to remove.
With 40+ million people jumping into Obama's healthcare plan, what do you think will happen to any politicians that propose getting rid of that healthcare program? That fact alone will cost the taxpays nearly a trillion dollars a year.
i vote 1... he can suck dick for using our fucking tax money to go to war and kill innocent people in Iraq.. families have fucking died for no fucking reason because of that POS!! FUCK BUSH!!! GO OBAMA!! for 09 there will be a change
Peek-a-boo mofucka what now?!
If he isnt going to use tax money, what money is he going to use? Oh and dont forget that Bush couldnt do anything without congress. So I guess you should say fuck congress too. In case you forgot, both a rep and dem congress voted for the war.
Are these the same innocent people that were shooting at our troops?
really, is this the best you can do? As sad as it is, innocent people die in a war. This is especially true in an insurgency type of war.
What change will that be? I know he hasnt said anything about what he will change, and how he will make the changes.
Well, He's better than Truman!
the whole problem with katrina is that most of the people over there were fuckin lazy. they had ample chance to get out but everyone wanted to stay so they could blame it on someone else. oh yeah what color were most of em?
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Do they not have TV in N.O? I remember hearing for a week that it was a huge, strong hurricane and it would cause massive damage and probably overwhelm the levies. The hurricane was actually weaker when it hit land than the forecasters were expecting.
Federal govt is not responsible for first response or preliminary evactuations. The city and state handle that, and it was handled extremely poorly. Blaming that on Bush and ignoring the massive mistakes on the aprt of state nd city officials is just another way of showing your hate for Bush.
FEMA should have been ready and mobilized before that hurricane even hit so that they could go in and get their job done ASAP.
I will agree with you that no one handled the situation correctly at any level. But to assume that the whole city has the ability to just up and leave at will is a stretch.
FEMA cannot step in until the President makes a formal declaration of disaster. The president cannot declare a disaster until the local and state govts do the same. It took 3 days for the LA gov to declare a disaster.
No FEMA didnt handle it well, but their shortcomings were small compared to those of state and local authorities.
WEll let me ask you this then, when Hurricane Gustav hit this past year, why did Jindal do a 120290423493249 times better than the previous person in power?
New Orleans/Louisiana was at fault for being lazy and not getting their people out. They were at fault for not being ready for such a disaster.
FEMA fault was trusting the NO/LA govt thinking they could handle such a disaster
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