Oh My WOW

[Dracc]

AGREE 100%! I have been saying the same thing, if you take us out, another Sadam will step up, and the world will step back 10 years! And all those people who have died for this senseless war, will have died for nothing. I think Bush should be held as one of the greatest presidents ever for having the courage to go after a a nation/terrorist after they killed almost 1000 of our people on our soil. Not doing what clinton did in 92 and just going to the table to "talk it over!"

I can't agree with you completelly but I can say this.. bush will go down in history... as the worst president not because of the war.. but because he's an idiot plane and simple. You can't get better quotes from joe dirt himself.. but he's a dumb texas rednecc.. they dont bacc down from anyway.. now with that said I commend him for standing for what he believes in.. JUST LIKE BARACC... and as far as clinton.. he did what was good for the country at that time... think about it.. the economy was booming.. no war... hell.. I remember just driving on Fort Jaccson.. ( the army's largers training facility) with no checc points no MP's on gaurd.. just driving through.. so he did his JOB protecting the country at his best intrest.. and now because its not as safe to go outside like you used to you cant blame a man for time changing... people change.. time changes..

[MachNU]

I can't agree with you completelly but I can say this.. bush will go down in history... as the worst president not because of the war.. but because he's an idiot plane and simple. You can't get better quotes from joe dirt himself.. but he's a dumb texas rednecc.. they dont bacc down from anyway.. now with that said I commend him for standing for what he believes in.. JUST LIKE BARACC... and as far as clinton.. he did what was good for the country at that time... think about it.. the economy was booming.. no war... hell.. I remember just driving on Fort Jaccson.. ( the army's largers training facility) with no checc points no MP's on gaurd.. just driving through.. so he did his JOB protecting the country at his best intrest.. and now because its not as safe to go outside like you used to you cant blame a man for time changing... people change.. time changes..

Yeah true but alot of that was due to him cutting alot of military spending. Did you by chance check the video either Fox,CNN...cant remember which did it, about explaining major events that happened with Presidents in office who where older/wiser with military background vs. Presidents who came in with no military background and young?

[Dracc]

Yeah true but alot of that was due to him cutting alot of military spending. Did you by chance check the video either Fox,CNN...cant remember which did it, about explaining major events that happened with Presidents in office who where older/wiser with military background vs. Presidents who came in with no military background and young?

Yeah I saw that.. they had another one prior to that one when I was in high school we had a debate on and I won lol... basically.. Military back ground just says you served your country. Most presidents prior to clinton and bush had no choice.. IE draft. true age brings wisdom but age brings weakness in heart and mind.. McCain may be a was vet and all But.. time has taken its tole on his judgement. Baracc may be young with no experience in being in the military but that does not mean his judgement is not the same or above par to one that has served 25 years in the military like my father. You learn everyday wheather you know it or not so he will have mistakes just like every president. Just move on and dont make them twice. the difference about a presidents mistakes and yours and mine... we are not watched 24/7 and have a country watching waiting on us to move

[MachNU]

Yeah I saw that.. they had another one prior to that one when I was in high school we had a debate on and I won lol... basically.. Military back ground just says you served your country. Most presidents prior to clinton and bush had no choice.. IE draft. true age brings wisdom but age brings weakness in heart and mind.. McCain may be a was vet and all But.. time has taken its tole on his judgement. Baracc may be young with no experience in being in the military but that does not mean his judgement is not the same or above par to one that has served 25 years in the military like my father. You learn everyday wheather you know it or not so he will have mistakes just like every president. Just move on and dont make them twice. the difference about a presidents mistakes and yours and mine... we are not watched 24/7 and have a country watching waiting on us to move

Very Very Very True! But i meant it more in the light of what to do when the time came for them to make a decision. When Roosevelt - WWII, Kennedy - Berlin Wall, Johnson/Kennedy - Vietnam, Nixon - Water gate(none military), Bush Sr- Gulf War, Clinton - 92 WTC Bombing, Bush Jr - 01 WTC Bombing. I mean in the ways they reacted to this. Granted Obama might turn out to be a great president, but you cant deny his lack of exp in areas CRUIAL to running a nation. Plus it has to be a major strain on someone who can fart without someone being there to film it or question it!

[Dracc]

Very Very Very True! But i meant it more in the light of what to do when the time came for them to make a decision. When Roosevelt - WWII, Kennedy - Berlin Wall, Johnson/Kennedy - Vietnam, Nixon - Water gate(none military), Bush Sr- Gulf War, Clinton - 92 WTC Bombing, Bush Jr - 01 WTC Bombing. I mean in the ways they reacted to this. Granted Obama might turn out to be a great president, but you cant deny his lack of exp in areas CRUIAL to running a nation. Plus it has to be a major strain on someone who can fart without someone being there to film it or question it!

IN ALL FAIRNESS... Obama does not run the country.. Congress does.. He's what we called in my debates.. a pretty face.. All he is.. to be honest.. is a dictator.. just like bush.. he tells us what ALL of congress can't at once.. he's just a yes man.. granted he will have some decision making but thats about it... whats the difference from him running a county to running a country you say... nothing but numbers.. all the same rules apply just that he answers directly to congress now

[MachNU]

IN ALL FAIRNESS... Obama does not run the country.. Congress does.. He's what we called in my debates.. a pretty face.. All he is.. to be honest.. is a dictator.. just like bush.. he tells us what ALL of congress can't at once.. he's just a yes man.. granted he will have some decision making but thats about it... whats the difference from him running a county to running a country you say... nothing but numbers.. all the same rules apply just that he answers directly to congress now

Very true, but also in fairness, a Democrate as president, working for his party, which holds control of the house and senate. THEN you have a few supreme court justices who are fucking 90+ about to drop in the next few years, with someone to put dem. party members in there place, gives you control of the whole thing. Checks and Balances are only useful to a point. If 1 party controls the whole system, then the head man in charge runs the show!

[Dracc]

Very true, but also in fairness, a Democrate as president, working for his party, which holds control of the house and senate. THEN you have a few supreme court justices who are fucking 90+ about to drop in the next few years, with someone to put dem. party members in there place, gives you control of the whole thing. Checks and Balances are only useful to a point. If 1 party controls the whole system, then the head man in charge runs the show!

even so.. if someone is money hungry which most are.. then he's gonna do what he's told..

[BanginJimmy]

IN ALL FAIRNESS... Obama does not run the country.. Congress does.. He's what we called in my debates.. a pretty face.. All he is.. to be honest.. is a dictator.. just like bush.. he tells us what ALL of congress can't at once.. he's just a yes man.. granted he will have some decision making but thats about it... whats the difference from him running a county to running a country you say... nothing but numbers.. all the same rules apply just that he answers directly to congress now

Well Obama has a VERY sympathetic Congress for at least the next 2 years.