Stop this "Hussein" and playing dumb bullshit. you aren't fooling anyone.

[alpine_aw11]

lol do you listen to yourself talk sometimes? it was not just CNN reporting about those things. and regardless. the fact of the matter is that you specifically stated..show me one new station, one add, etc. and i did just that, why did you leave out new yorker when i said that. dude, you have got to one of the most die hard i vote how my dad voted all my life people i have ever seen

The picture you referred to in the New Yorker doesn't sustain your argument seeing as it was a parody of the public's views and didn't represent the views of the magazine.

[BobbyFresco]

lol do you listen to yourself talk sometimes? it was not just CNN reporting about those things. and regardless. the fact of the matter is that you specifically stated..show me one new station, one add, etc. and i did just that, why did you leave out new yorker when i said that. dude, you have got to one of the most die hard i vote how my dad voted all my life people i have ever seen

Thank you.

I have never seen two people so intent on deepthroating Mcclame as RedGt and MrKidd do.

[blacknightteg]

The picture you referred to in the New Yorker doesn't sustain your argument seeing as it was a parody of the public's views and didn't represent the views of the magazine.

regardless of the fact that it was meant to be a parody, when someone first see's that what are they going to think? one of two things. either, "thats some funny shit" or " holy crap, that right there just proves my point, im not the only one thinks he's that way". majority of the people that see that type of thing and dont like him just cuz of his name are going to run with something like that and preach that they were right all along, that he is a terrorist. so yes, there are people that are like that, regardless whether or not it doesn't speak for the whole party it represents the party and how a lot of people think.

[alpine_aw11]

regardless of the fact that it was meant to be a parody, when someone first see's that what are they going to think? one of two things. either, "thats some funny shit" or " holy crap, that right there just proves my point, im not the only one thinks he's that way". majority of the people that see that type of thing and dont like him just cuz of his name are going to run with something like that and preach that they were right all along, that he is a terrorist. so yes, there are people that are like that, regardless whether or not it doesn't speak for the whole party it represents the party and how a lot of people think.

Ok, and those people are idiots. Most American voters are political retards and whether Obama supporters like it or not that applies to both sides. You can't blame the media for people's stupidity.

[blacknightteg]

Ok, and those people are idiots. Most American voters are political retards and whether Obama supporters like it or not that applies to both sides. You can't blame the media for people's stupidity.

hell yes you can blame the media for peoples stupidity, how the fuck do you think most Americans find out about what the fuck is going on in the world at that moment? the media. the media is the number one source of information, and the source of information that so many people base their opinions and biases off of. Not every American is going to go and research every candidate on their own to find out stuff, because they think that is what the media is for. look at that old broad in the red shirt at one of McCains rallies. dumb old woman still thought that he was an Arab and that he was a fucking terrorist so she couldn't trust him. how ignorant is that.

[Vteckidd]

[color=black]

Just one question, though. Can you show me numbers that illustrate that "the MAJORITY of the females in my race are single mothers" and not your generalities based on some bullshit you just pulled out of your ass for fuck's sake?

uh, yeah, sure no problem

More than 70 percent of African-American children are born out of wedlock, with the majority raised by single mothers.

Remember CHICAGO is about as LIBERAL as it gets
http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/980319/johnson.shtml

Or if you prefer the US CENSUS BUREAU
Families
8.9 million
Number of black families in the United States. Of these, nearly one-half (47 percent) are married-couple families.

that means 53% arent married

More than 40 percent of Black children live with a single mother, compared with one-fifth of Hispanic children and about 12 percent of White children.


http://www.cbpp.org/6-15-01wel.htm

ANd just to show you how much of a racist i am, heres reporting from ALL RACES.

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/...ns/000793.html

Must be a lot of single mother whores out there huh?

my point wasnt to say anything about race, but you are so blind that you cant help it. My point was that he who is without sin should cast the first stone.

you cant sit there on your soapbox using words like Republitard, whore of a mother, etc and not expect me or anyone else to say something.

How can you sit there in judgement of a 17 year old ADULT when there a major crisis in our country over single mothers anyway? I mean come on. Are you that biased?

Obamas mama(haha i just noticed that) was 18 when she had him, so your telling me 1 year makes her a saint and not a whore?

again, these are stupid issues, "dont call me by my middle name" and other useless rhetoric is stupid, there is more important things at stake.

[Vteckidd]

Thank you.

I have never seen two people so intent on deepthroating Mcclame as RedGt and MrKidd do.

coming from an ignorant racist such as yourself ill take that as a compliment.

its funny how defensive you get when ,go look, i never once called you a name, or took a bad tone with you. I simply explained why i didnt agree with you.

then you go off on this tangent about how im a bigot LOL

again, you NEVER POST ANYTHING OF ANY VALUE, NO FACTS, NOT ONE CONVINCING ARGUMENT THAT ME OR ANY ONE ELSE WITH HALF A BRAIN HASN'T ALREADY PICKED APART.

If you cant or are unable to make an intelligent response, they have a place for you, its called THE WHORESLOUNGE.-------------------------->

[BobbyFresco]

coming from an ignorant racist such as yourself ill take that as a compliment.

its funny how defensive you get when ,go look, i never once called you a name, or took a bad tone with you. I simply explained why i didnt agree with you.

then you go off on this tangent about how im a bigot LOL

again, you NEVER POST ANYTHING OF ANY VALUE, NO FACTS, NOT ONE CONVINCING ARGUMENT THAT ME OR ANY ONE ELSE WITH HALF A BRAIN HASN'T ALREADY PICKED APART.

If you cant or are unable to make an intelligent response, they have a place for you, its called THE WHORESLOUNGE.-------------------------->

LOL @ ignorant racist. Wow. I guess there truly is a first time for everything.
Who are you trying to fool here?

Facts are facts and it's not the first time you have made bigoted statements and I am certainly not the only person that has called you out on it, but I digress.


And lastly, you are the very last person that should be making remarks about lack of intelligence when you can't express yourself during a debate without initiating insults of some sort.

Like I have stated before, just whenever you feel up to it, we can meet in person so that you may have the opportunity to tell me just how you feel about me. The same invitation is extended to RedGT. As a matter of fact, I will be in Atlanta this coming weekend. Your call.

[Vteckidd]

LOL @ ignorant racist. Wow. I guess there truly is a first time for everything.
Who are you trying to fool here?

insinuating im a racist for posting FACTS, is wanting special treatment, to me that is racism

Facts are facts and it's not the first time you have made bigoted statements and I am certainly not the only person that has called you out on it, but I digress.

Again anything i say that is negative about the black race you call a BIGOTED statement, as i just proved, its not, its TRUE. so how does that make me racist?

And lastly, you are the very last person that should be making remarks about lack of intelligence when you can't express yourself during a debate without initiating insults of some sort.

Again, go look through my FIRST POST, i never called you a name, nor did i insinuate any lack of intelligence you may have. I was actually pretty respectfull.

But ,as i expected, the second i mentioned BLACK, you jump all over me as a racist, and completely IGNORE the rest of my post.

Like I have stated before, just whenever you feel up to it, we can meet in person so that you may have the opportunity to tell me just how you feel about me. The same invitation is extended to RedGT. As a matter of fact, I will be in Atlanta this coming weekend. Your call.

Sure if youd like to meet up and have a healthy debate im all up for it. But again this isnt about YOU, this is about issues with candidates. you always want to make it personal.

SO you asked for numbers i just gave them to you, no explanation on that?

As i assume you just cant keep up with these topics, and you want to turn it into a me vs you thread.

Again the WL is that way ------------->

[Alan®]

lol do you listen to yourself talk sometimes? it was not just CNN reporting about those things. and regardless. the fact of the matter is that you specifically stated..show me one new station, one add, etc. and i did just that, why did you leave out new yorker when i said that. dude, you have got to one of the most die hard i vote how my dad voted all my life people i have ever seen

LOL. The original claim of this thread is that the right is demonizing Obama by using his middle name. You guys have to show how the right whether it be in the media or in the campaign itself has done that. Think about this there have been more senators on the LEFT that have made racially charged statements about McCain/Palin than anybody on the right has about Obama/Biden.

And on your last point, you make me laugh. Anybody that has met both me and my dad will tell you that he and I don't see eye to eye on a lot of stuff politically. If he voted Obama I would still vote for McCain.This coming from the guy that didn't watch the debate but said that Obama won because mommy and daddy told him that McCain might have fudged one fact without checking into it himself. Make sure you have any room to talk before trying to call the kettle black.

[Alan®]

I would love for you to say this to me in person.

Why wouldn't I? I didn't say anything racial or wrong. I simply stated facts. Sorry.

[flak_monkey]

I think you shouldn't vote. You clearly have no idea wtf you're talking about.

I think you should fuck yourself with a rusty pole.

[blacknightteg]

LOL. The original claim of this thread is that the right is demonizing Obama by using his middle name. You guys have to show how the right whether it be in the media or in the campaign itself has done that. Think about this there have been more senators on the LEFT that have made racially charged statements about McCain/Palin than anybody on the right has about Obama/Biden.

And on your last point, you make me laugh. Anybody that has met both me and my dad will tell you that he and I don't see eye to eye on a lot of stuff politically. If he voted Obama I would still vote for McCain.This coming from the guy that didn't watch the debate but said that Obama won because mommy and daddy told him that McCain might have fudged one fact without checking into it himself. Make sure you have any room to talk before trying to call the kettle black.

dude you have got to be completely over looking my posts that i am making and posting out of your ass. i told you where they mentioned and where he was mentioned in such a way and you continue to ask me where they have, lol i've told you 3 times. are you that ignorant.

[BKgen®]

lol i've told you 3 times. are you that ignorant.

lol yes he is.

[Alan®]

dude you have got to be completely over looking my posts that i am making and posting out of your ass. i told you where they mentioned and where he was mentioned in such a way and you continue to ask me where they have, lol i've told you 3 times. are you that ignorant.

You're right and I applaud you because most(and most have)would simply brush it off. But again my point is that the instinces you have shown have come from the left and not the right and the point that the OP was trying to make was that the McCain campaign and the right are all responsible for this and yet still there has not been one shred of proof that his claim as factual.


Tibby pants ftl go back to the wl

[bafbrian]

uh, yeah, sure no problem

More than 70 percent of African-American children are born out of wedlock, with the majority raised by single mothers.

Remember CHICAGO is about as LIBERAL as it gets
http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/980319/johnson.shtml

Or if you prefer the US CENSUS BUREAU
Families
8.9 million
Number of black families in the United States. Of these, nearly one-half (47 percent) are married-couple families.

that means 53% arent married

More than 40 percent of Black children live with a single mother, compared with one-fifth of Hispanic children and about 12 percent of White children.


http://www.cbpp.org/6-15-01wel.htm

ANd just to show you how much of a racist i am, heres reporting from ALL RACES.

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/...ns/000793.html

Must be a lot of single mother whores out there huh?

my point wasnt to say anything about race, but you are so blind that you cant help it. My point was that he who is without sin should cast the first stone.

you cant sit there on your soapbox using words like Republitard, whore of a mother, etc and not expect me or anyone else to say something.

How can you sit there in judgement of a 17 year old ADULT when there a major crisis in our country over single mothers anyway? I mean come on. Are you that biased?

Obamas mama(haha i just noticed that) was 18 when she had him, so your telling me 1 year makes her a saint and not a whore?

again, these are stupid issues, "dont call me by my middle name" and other useless rhetoric is stupid, there is more important things at stake.

x2, who really cares what his middle name is. Do you? Is that why you are or aren't voting for him? Let's stay focused people.

I am curious since you brought the percentage of single mother households, what are the absolute numbers ?

And on the media, I say NBC is more "left wing" than CNN.

[Vteckidd]

I am curious since you brought the percentage of single mother households, what are the absolute numbers ?

And on the media, I say NBC is more "left wing" than CNN.

i believe the answer is here

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/...ns/000793.html

[bafbrian]

i believe the answer is here

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/...ns/000793.html

Didn't see any absolute numbers. Percentages and absolute numbers can often be misleading if only one of the two is presented.

While African-Americans have a higher percentage, they only account for 12.7% of the population, Hispanics 14.8%, and Whites 73.9% according to the US Census Bureau.

If you calculate the percentages into absolute numbers, Whites have a higher prevalence of single mother households.

Like I said, without using both, the information can be misleading if one manipulates the data to suit their needs.

[Vteckidd]

ahh you want raw numbers, i misunderstood you, i had them let me look

[flak_monkey]

redGT, don't waste you time on this.

It is obvious that someone here has been drinking way too much of the blue flavored "political Kool-Aid".

eh... nevermind.

insert stick.

stir vigorously.

dance, puppets. Dance.

[rrutter81]

learn not to lump a few bad apples in with the rest of us.

Theres EQUALLY bad campaigning going on from both sides.

Mccain has actually stopped people at rallys from yelling terrorist or some other ignorant rhetoric.

Obama has done nothing to silence or repudiate the rep from GA that said Mccain was using Jim Crowe Tactics.

Mccain is going after Obamas RECORD or lack of, and his associations with radicals. Just like Obama is going after Mccain for his Record, and his association with the SL scandals.

If you think Obama is a terrorist, or a muslim, then i think its pretty much known you are an idiot

think this sums it up nicely

i mean there are idiots on both sides of the fence. Its just the media is showing anything against the "messiah" chosen-one.

[DrivenMind]

laul... right wingers are scary.

"Barack Hussien Obama"

If we get the hillbillies uncomfortable enough, maybe they'll start bringing stuffed monekys with Obama stickers to McCain rallies... because it's just a stuffed animal right, and they like stuffed animals right? It has absolutely nothing to do with the underlying racist message.

[blurred visions]

^baaahahahahaha

[BIG WORM]

I've heard thsi from several republicans. The kind who still think Obama is a terrorist.

"Why do the left get so upset when you use Obama's middle name? If it's his middle name, and he doesn't like it, he should just change it." You must be so full of shit it's backed up your fucking brain and coming out your foaming, right winged mouth.

It's because you are purposefully using his middle name to make references to a very despicable human being. You know damn well that you wouldn't say his middle name if it was "Frank." Your tactics are deplorable, and your party is reaching far into the depths of the most ignorant parts of this country to incite fear and uncertainty, and cause riots and whip rabid, dangerous, empty headed sheep into a murderous frenzy to promote their own twisted agenda.

McCain's campaign's practices are despicable. The thinly veiled attempt that this party is making to compare Obama to Saddam Hussein by using his middle name and then playing dumb and saying, "that's his middle name...if he doesn't like it he should change it" is a laughable reflection of how pathetic and desperate you truly are. Resort to scaring the uncertain, to misleading the blind, and to grandstanding like a false martyr. Your tactics fool nobody but the simple. We see what this really is.

If he changed it, you would all grab your torches and lynch mob the man, claiming that he was a secret Al-Quaida agent who's trying to take over this country. Oh wait, a lot of people are already doing this. This country and some of the ignorant, religious throwback psychopaths that inhabit it are fucking scary, at best. One of them stands to be the next vice president.

well Al-Quaida is made up mostly of radical Shia Muslims.
(Ever seen the crazy stuff they do on the History channel? ex. a metal rod through the heart, piercing both sides of the body both front and back, with no blood, while walking around chanting scripture)

It's not fake do some research.

Sunni Muslims (85% of Muslims in the world) are more peaceful.

However neither of the groups support, Same sex marrige, or abortion, 2 things Obama has supported just to get votes.

Barrack and also Hussein are both Muslim names.

But I have yet to find hard evidence if Obama is Sunni or Shia, which would make a lot of difference.

Obama also claims to be of Christian faith, just to get the vote from southern Blacks. (say what you want, but if Obama came on national TV and said he was of Muslim faith, he would loose the majority of the Black vote.)

Hitler also claimed to be a Christian to win "extra" votes.

But to the OP, RESEARCH! before you post your pointless opinion. People aren't worried about his middle name, they're worried about the reason he has that middle name, and the reason he won't change it, which is because he is of Muslim faith, the end.

[alpine_aw11]

well Al-Quaida is made up mostly of radical Shia Muslims.
(Ever seen the crazy stuff they do on the History channel? ex. a metal rod through the heart, piercing both sides of the body both front and back, with no blood, while walking around chanting scripture)

It's not fake do some research.

Sunni Muslims (85% of Muslims in the world) are more peaceful.

However neither of the groups support, Same sex marrige, or abortion, 2 things Obama has supported just to get votes.

Barrack and also Hussein are both Muslim names.

But I have yet to find hard evidence if Obama is Sunni or Shia, which would make a lot of difference.

Obama also claims to be of Christian faith, just to get the vote from southern Blacks. (say what you want, but if Obama came on national TV and said he was of Muslim faith, he would loose the majority of the Black vote.)

Hitler also claimed to be a Christian to win "extra" votes.

But to the OP, RESEARCH! before you post your pointless opinion. People aren't worried about his middle name, they're worried about the reason he has that middle name, and the reason he won't change it, which is because he is of Muslim faith, the end.

Even if Obama is in fact Muslim, which he IS NOT, why would it matter? Christian eliticism is over, bud.

[BIG WORM]

Even if Obama is in fact Muslim, which he IS NOT, why would it matter? Christian eliticism is over, bud.

Please show proof to your idiocracy.

and your statement is also false, Christian faith is the largest religion in the world. It's just mtv watching, gay right supporting, passing out condoms in middle school, democrat Americans like you that think otherwise.

[blurred visions]

^close-minded conservative christian. <<Point made.

[BobbyFresco]

Please show proof to your idiocracy.

and your statement is also false, Christian faith is the largest religion in the world. It's just mtv watching, gay right supporting, passing out condoms in middle school, democrat Americans like you that think otherwise.

I think the word you're looking for is idiocy as idiocracy, by definition, would not apply in this situation.

Also, and this is just a stab in the dark but, it would seem as though you are being a bit hypocritical, if you're the " Christian" I presume you to be, based on your rhetoric. I guess the not being judgemental, embrace everyone, love your fellow human being, only " God" can judge "Christian" part of you went out of the windwow, huh?

[BIG WORM]

^close-minded conservative christian. <<Point made.

close minded? I'm working on my masters in Theology.
I'm asking people like you to be "open minded" and realize what exactly youre doing.

Your basing your vote on the economy and the next dollar put into you wallet, but you have forgotten what this country was founded on.

"One nation under God"

[BIG WORM]

I think the word you're looking for is idiocy as idiocracy, by definition, would not apply in this situation.

Also, and this is just a stab in the dark but, it would seem as though you are being a bit hypocritical, if you're the " Christian" I presume you to be, based on your rhetoric. I guess the not being judgemental, embrace everyone, love your fellow human being, only " God" can judge "Christian" part of you went out of the windwow, huh?

I was referring to the Movie made by Mike Judge called "Idiocracy"

an opinion of the future of America.

[BobbyFresco]

I was referring to the Movie made by Mike Judge called "Idiocracy"

an opinion of the future of America.

OK. I stand corrected on that particular point.

[AirMax95]

well Al-Quaida is made up mostly of radical Shia Muslims.
(Ever seen the crazy stuff they do on the History channel? ex. a metal rod through the heart, piercing both sides of the body both front and back, with no blood, while walking around chanting scripture)

It's not fake do some research.

Sunni Muslims (85% of Muslims in the world) are more peaceful.

However neither of the groups support, Same sex marrige, or abortion, 2 things Obama has supported just to get votes.

Barrack and also Hussein are both Muslim names.

But I have yet to find hard evidence if Obama is Sunni or Shia, which would make a lot of difference.

Obama also claims to be of Christian faith, just to get the vote from southern Blacks. (say what you want, but if Obama came on national TV and said he was of Muslim faith, he would loose the majority of the Black vote.)

Hitler also claimed to be a Christian to win "extra" votes.

But to the OP, RESEARCH! before you post your pointless opinion. People aren't worried about his middle name, they're worried about the reason he has that middle name, and the reason he won't change it, which is because he is of Muslim faith, the end.

I am going to go out on a limb here: Maybe he does not want to change his name because it was given to him Just becuase his name is Barack Hussien does not mean that he practices/lives Muslim. His dad gave him the name and left town. I have SEVERAL friends with names that would give off the notion that they are not Christian, American, hell some not human, lol.

Obama is a proud man, very proud and driven. He is not going to let a name stop him from reaching his goals.

BTW, if I am wrong correct me, please.

[AirMax95]

close minded? I'm working on my masters in Theology.
I'm asking people like you to be "open minded" and realize what exactly your doing.

Your basing your vote on the economy and the next dollar put into you wallet, but you have forgotten what this country was founded on.

"One nation under God"

This country's foundation......

It is easy to put that in writing, but its completely different to live by it.

[BobbyFresco]

close minded? I'm working on my masters in Theology.
I'm asking people like you to be "open minded" and realize what exactly your doing.

Your basing your vote on the economy and the next dollar put into you wallet, but you have forgotten what this country was founded on.

"One nation under God"

Actually the "one nation under god" part of the alligiance was not added until 1954.

Of interest is also the fact that the author of the Pledge of alligiance was a Socialist. Go figure.

[blacknightteg]

close minded? I'm working on my masters in Theology.
I'm asking people like you to be "open minded" and realize what exactly your doing.

Your basing your vote on the economy and the next dollar put into you wallet, but you have forgotten what this country was founded on.

"One nation under God"

wasnt that one statement not put into the pledge till like the 1900's or something. so technically even tho it was founded under god, that phrase you are using isn't relevant to your statement.

[BIG WORM]

I am going to go out on a limb here: Maybe he does not want to change his name because it was given to him Just becuase his name is Barack Hussien does not mean that he practices/lives Muslim. His dad gave him the name and left town. I have SEVERAL friends with names that would give off the notion that they are not Christian, American, hell some not human, lol.

Obama is a proud man, very proud and driven. He is not going to let a name stop him from reaching his goals.

BTW, if I am wrong correct me, please.

Yes his Muslim Father did leave when he was 2.
However His mother mother re-married to a man named Lolo Soetoro, (<---LINK) Obama's stepfather that raised him as a Muslim as well.

[BIG WORM]

wasnt that one statement not put into the pledge till like the 1900's or something. so technically even tho it was founded under god, that phrase you are using isn't relevant to your statement.

Ok, bad example.
Please refer the the Deceleration of Independence for a better example.

[BIG WORM]

I found the on the Google UK site, because the media hides a lot of the truth on the US owned sites.

I found them quickly, some could be fake, but upon your own research you will find plenty more.

[BIG WORM]

I'm not saying that him being a Muslim, means he is a terrorist.
I'm stating that the American public is being lied to.

ex. No one cared that Clinton was sleeping around.
He was Impeached because he lied in court and to all of America!

[blacknightteg]

lol do you know the back stories to the photos? probably not, so how can you attribute those photos to him being a muslim, just cuz he was in some traditional garb of an area that he was most likely in.