live with it, you'll never know when its happening to you, what does it matter. Don't talk about bombing your local embassy and you'll be fine.
live with it, you'll never know when its happening to you, what does it matter. Don't talk about bombing your local embassy and you'll be fine.
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Hell yeah, good old fashioned SIGINT data collection.
It's all in the name of national security, but you have to balance personal liberties with government control in order to keep the stability. Yes its privacy invasion but if you dont have anything to worry about why are you angry?
You boys should know that if you're talking about anything illegal to get a pay-by-the minute phone and change out the sim car frequently. And if you're worried about them tracking your emails, simply save your intended message in the drafts and share your password and ID with your correspondant. No mail sent, no mail tracked. Terrorists do this stuff all of the time.
The intelligence community's biggest secret is the full extent of its methods and capabilities. Just because these wiretaps are illegal and will not be admissable in court does not mean that they cant be used to grant warrants and provide confirmation of guilt.
And to the guys saying that America is becoming a socialist big-brother state:
1. Look up democratic socialism, I dont feel like educating you about it. It works.
2. Would you grant terrorists the same freedoms and capabilities that you recieve? This one shit hit particularly hard with people bitching about long lines at customs, border crossings, and airport security.
3. Do some more research on the intelligence community, including congressional oversight mechanisms and separation of power within the intelligence community.
4. You might even want to look up how coalition governments operate, because if anything thats what our system is going towards IMO. This country will never have a dictator, unless you consider a dictator a president with an unfalteringly loyal Congress backing his every decision.
Hey Metalman, instead of posting up some wikipedia quote, go read some John Locke, Thomas Hobbes or Adam Smith. They've got a lot better quotes regarding personal liberties, guarantee and protection of private property, and the role of economic role of the government. Google Hobbes' "Social Contract" and see how Smith updated it. These guys died 300 years ago but they're ideas are still incredibly relevent.
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