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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD

    Its ludicrous what you posted and i dont really think its a debatable subject unless you are arguing for communism where everything costs the same to everyone.

    Sorry, im for capitalism and free market, i think a $4 gallon of milk SHOULD COST more to a person making $20,000 a year than a person making $1,000,000 a year. Thats the whole friggin point!
    So the person making $20k a year should pay more taxes AND eat higher costs due to their salary?

    Of course Bush's cuts should expire, what have they done to stimulate the economy so far? Absolutely nothing, and we're still in $10 Trillion worth of debt. To offset this taxes have to be raised somewhere.. so again another example Mike.

    If you have plans to assimilate into a wealthy lifestyle but your tax bracket is heavily taxed at $20k a year but the wealthy are seeing tax cuts, how do you plan on not only becoming rich but making ends meet at your current salary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony
    So the person making $20k a year should pay more taxes AND eat higher costs due to their salary?

    Of course Bush's cuts should expire, what have they done to stimulate the economy so far? Absolutely nothing, and we're still in $10 Trillion worth of debt. To offset this taxes have to be raised somewhere.. so again another example Mike.

    If you have plans to assimilate into a wealthy lifestyle but your tax bracket is heavily taxed at $20k a year but the wealthy are seeing tax cuts, how do you plan on not only becoming rich but making ends meet at your current salary?
    Tony it would be one thing if he were raising taxes to pay for all this debt we have accumulated but how in the hell do you do that when you're going to add $1 trillion dollars in additional spending. Something else that no one seems to keep in mind. If Obama gets his programs in place and funded It's going to cost us a hell of a lot more than $1 trillion dollars to maintain these programs over any period of time. As far as I can tell $1 trillion dollars is just the start up cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redGT
    Tony it would be one thing if he were raising taxes to pay for all this debt we have accumulated but how in the hell do you do that when you're going to add $1 trillion dollars in additional spending. Something else that no one seems to keep in mind. If Obama gets his programs in place and funded It's going to cost us a hell of a lot more than $1 trillion dollars to maintain these programs over any period of time. As far as I can tell $1 trillion dollars is just the start up cost.

    Okay, funny how that spending number continually rises.. up from $800 Billion, wonder where you guys get this from?

    The statement:At a campaign stop Monday in Columbus, Ohio, Sen. John McCain said Sen. Barack Obama "has proposed more than $860 billion in new spending."

    Get the facts!



    The Facts:
    The McCain campaign is basing this figure on its own tally of how much money all of the new programs Obama has vowed to fund would ultimately cost. The total does not look at how much money Obama would save through cutbacks in other parts of his spending plan. It's important to note that McCain did not say "additional" spending.

    Brian Rogers of the McCain campaign sent CNN the campaign's tally of "new spending" by Obama. It lists more than 40 plans or programs that Obama has discussed creating or funding at a higher level, along with figures for how much each would cost. Some of those figures come from what Obama or his campaign has said; others come from estimates by the Congressional Budget Office or other agencies. The list says if Obama could enact all his proposals, "taxpayers would be faced with financing $898.472 billion in new spending over one White House term."

    Jason Furman, the Obama campaign's economic adviser, called McCain's assertion "totally ludicrous." He said the McCain campaign is "exaggerating our spending increases" while ignoring spending cuts. The Obama campaign does not have its own figure for how much "new spending" Obama is proposing, Furman said, because it "doesn't conceptually make sense." If someone is spending $10 a week on apples, then switches to spending $10 a week on oranges, "it wouldn't make sense to say how much extra you are spending on oranges — you're just changing what you're spending on," he said.

    The most detailed analysis of McCain's and Obama's budget plans comes from the nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. The group's president, Maya MacGuineas (pronounced "McGuiness"), called McCain's statement "a misleading figure taken out of context."

    The committee has looked at how much spending Obama and McCain are proposing and how much they say they'll save. The candidates have been more specific about spending than saving, but the committee gave them leeway, assuming that the savings they promise could actually happen, MacGuineas said. The committee's figures include the candidates' tax plans as well, because both include spending changes as part of their tax plans, she said.

    The committee found that both candidates' fiscal policies call for spending a lot more than they bring in. By 2013, Obama's policies would add $286 billion to that year's deficit, while McCain's policies would add $211 billion, MacGuineas said.

    The committee has not totaled only "new spending" for either Obama or McCain.

    Verdict: Misleading. The figure McCain gave is based on his campaign's tally of the costs of numerous programs Obama has discussed, but ignores the savings from other policy changes Obama is calling for.
    In reality Obama's policy adds up to a $286 Billion deficit, McCain's would add up to $211 Billion. Get it straight

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony
    So the person making $20k a year should pay more taxes
    what are you talking about? The person making 20,000 a year doesn't pay higher taxes LOL againg if you don't get it I can't help you. The rich pay the majority of taxes your redistribution of wealth is the shortest way to communism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD
    what are you talking about? The person making 20,000 a year doesn't pay higher taxes LOL againg if you don't get it I can't help you. The rich pay the majority of taxes your redistribution of wealth is the shortest way to communism
    Then who will pay the taxes Mike? The system as it is, is inadequate.. the deficit is increasing so someone must see their tax bill increase. You say the rich should see tax CUTS so that leaves the lower income wage earners to foot the bill for Iraq, this $860 Billion bailout and all the other government spending that Bush has enabled for the past 8 years.

    And again, if the rich pay the majority then a lot of people (including me) must be rich because as I posted, the majority of taxes are paid between the $50k and $200k income bracket. (according to the IRS, not Boortz, Hannity or Limbaugh)

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