palin wins.............beauty>democrat lol
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palin wins.............beauty>democrat lol
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what does this have to do w/ topic? well mccain wants 95% of america to pay more taxes then obamawho the f*ck cares? is obama, biden/palin? no.
If Mccain is for KEEPING the BUSH TAX CUTS ALREADY IN PLACE, and is GIVING EVERYONE A TAX BREAK
How is OBAMA LETTING THE TAX CUTS EXPIRE and then giving you his OWN TAX CUT better?
see this is where the rhetoric gets big. Obama is hiding behind this "i wont raise taxes" when he really means is "i will let EXISTING tax cuts EXPIRE, see , i didnt RAISE taxes i just didnt renew the already existing ones"
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dunno, biden is pretty ruthless
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1op8vwF5UA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XberX_t-WvI
honestly i like his style
yes its better why? b/c obamas plan actually brings in money. i love how reps try to down play the fact that bush tax cuts have failed the economy... economy has grown more in the previous years but not at a rate to keep us from borrowing on an unlimited credit card to countries like china thus putting us in debt. now bush and possibly mccain wants to push this debt off on our children... that makes a whole lot of sense.
i'm done w/ this thread see you guys after the debate. if history repreats itself you will be eating your words.
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I hear that Biden has been practicing for the debate with someone who has a very similar debating style to Palin. Wonder who that could be?
I still don't see how giving rich people a larger profit helps everyone.
It's not "giving" them more money, it's letting them keep more of what they make. Everyone else gets helped too, so that's not a good point.
I still don't see how giving rich people a larger profit helps everyone.
Who else is watching this? Palin looks scared ****less.
I am!
I bet she wet herself. Biden is slamming her, even when she throws the slight Obama/Biden disagreements in the air. The guy has experience in debates.
She honestly sounds scared with a script, lol. She needs to pull that psycho soccer mom personality out.
I have to give it to biden he's good. He's got a plethra of facts and she just doesn't have it. She's not bringing up barney frank, raines, biden deserves to win
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It hasn't been quite as bad as I thought so far, but Biden is clearly ahead right now. The psyco thing isn't going to work because she's just going to keep getting owned, she really doesn't know what she's talking about.
At times it just seems like she is just clueless.
It hasn't been quite as bad as I thought so far, but Biden is clearly ahead right now. The psyco thing isn't going to work because she's just going to keep getting owned, she really doesn't know what she's talking about.
As far as I'm concerned her personality and looks and down to earth demore is what I like.. Biden had to come out and bury her in this debate and he didn't at all... She's much more exciting and much more personable.. People talk of change and she is the CHANGE that this country needs..
Palin maintained, didn't do anything dumb so I will have to say that would be a victory for her.
As far as the debate, Biden won but that was to be expected. Palin met or exceeded expectations. It was not a game changing performance for either campaign though.
All she had to do was do what Obama did last week.All she had to do was go in and not look like a complete idiot and she would be find and you know what she did that.
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ok I think she did much better second half. Biden is clearly a better debater and I have a new found respect for him he was a class act an not a whiner like obama. I'd say Palin had no screw ups but failed to hammer on certain issues. But I think its hard to say who won. She has a totally different style and I think you see her for who she is. Biden is much more polished though
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It wasn't even close. Biden destroyed her.
She gave a "shout out" so a lot of people here will probably vote for her, lol
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Them little kids in Alaska gonna get extra credit for watching the debate.
lulz!
I agree completely. My expectations(other than Biden technically winning) were COMPLETELY off. I thought Biden was going to rip her to shreds, but he was very respectful. Palin held her own, she obviously could never keep up as far as purely factual info is concerned, Biden is damn good. He's the best debater out of all four candidates by far imo. But she did the right thing in maintaining her image and not owning herself. I like both of them a lot more after this debate.
At least out of the 4 of them she hit on the SBO point a little better.
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If you watched the debate closely you can clearly see that if there were any problems with the next president Joe biden is way more fit to become president over Palin. Biden looked like he had his facts straight and his answers were alot more in depth.
Palin just proved if the republicans were elected it would just be another bush term.
I just wish when the topic of global warming came up she would have said "there is no such thing as man-made global warming!" Man-made global warming is a scam to redistribute money. Those of you that have taken basic astronomy classes will know that the sun goes through cycles. Most people do not know this so they believe this "global warming" bull****.
Dude you don't even have to take Astronomy. Take Western Civ and you will find out how much of scam Global Warming.
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As much as I agree with you, that would be political suicide. Like when she was asked about what the cause of the lending crisis was. A part of me wanted the dumbass citizens who overextended their incomes to be mentioned, but we all know honesty is not a virtue with politicians. Gotta play to the general population's ignorance.
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I agree, that would be suicide. She has said it publically in the past though...
The sun goes through(on average) cycles every 11 years. And guess what? There have been very few sunspots this year, so next year you will hear "OMG we are about to enter the next ice age, we must warm the Earth!!!!!"
All Biden is, is a numbers machine.. he's been in politics so long he has no idea where he stands on issues.. She is a people person and definitely came across as someone you could really relate to. Sure she doesn't know numbers and percentages the same way Biden does but there are other people in the administration who would take care of that..
The point is that Biden kept attacking her over and over again about Bush.. McCain is NOT Bush, period. And she kept out of the corner exactly like she should have.. I'd have to say that was definitely the biggest night of her life and she handled it perfectly IMO.. She kept questioning Bidens flipping of opinions which is excellent because we all know that politicians do it all the time.
Very good debate, very entertaining..
It's funny the question of Immigration that never came up.. I would have liked to hear their stance on that..
Let's face the facts.. How many times has a Vice President needed to become president.. I know it happened in Air Force One. hehehehe
The hell? Biden didn't attack her once, if he addressed a discrepancy he mentioned McCain and not her.
agreed. i think the idea is for pollution control though. telling ppl "the earth will cook you if we continue to pollute!" has a bigger effect than just saying "we're destroying our air quality."
to stay on topic though...palin didn't do too bad. the sad part is, that's only compared to how terrible she's been doing lately. she sure did say a mouthful when she said "i've only been at this for 5 weeks, i haven't made any policies/promises..." that's the "fundamental" difference between her experience and obama/biden/mccain.
Up until Yesterday I thought Biden was going to destroy her BUT he could NOT take that approach for reasons that we ALL should know, he had to practice restraint and he did that well- Even when Palin took a blow at him he still maintained.
Palin Surprised myself along with most of the viewers. She did well and i like the way she looked at Biden when stating her side of the deal. After taking the Biden restraint into consideration I knew that she was going to be able to do better than most expected.
In my opinion, Palin's speech lacked substance and did a better job at proving herself rather than Mccain. Her speeches are too redundant with the usage of the words "Maverick, Ruffling Feathers, REFORM REFORM REFORM!!!" Her answered seem memorized and rehearsed.
Biden did a better job of showing true substance and showed less rehearsal and more experience. That part when he got emotional probably scored some points. He failed to defend his position on the point where he stated that Obama was not ready to lead.
Very Good debate, some people wanted it to be a grudge match but it wasn't (Good or bad)
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It's clear
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I get what he meant. He was talking about how Biden kept going after her about their ticket being "no different"
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I felt like both vp candidates were actually really respectful of each other and I never saw a true attack on either one personally.
All I have to say is that I was completely taken by surprise when at the end of the debate, Sarah Palin had not completely fallen flat on her face and actually had answers to questions this time around.
Global warming is no scam?...Your going to tell me that our carbon dioxide output and smog won't have any effect at all on the temperature of the earths atmosphere...
Scientist saying " It's just a cycle" could be right but the fact is The ice caps are melting at a climbing rate and were definitely not doing anything to help the situation.
Biden won it technically, but he needed to hammer her and he didnt do it. Maybe he held back in case McCain won the election, or maybe Palin wasnt falling for his traps, I dont know. In the end I see this, and I think many other people will see this as a draw at worst, or a win for Palin.
Biden was a MUCH better debater and he knew all of the numbers. Palin came off as exactly what OBAMA has been preaching. Someone dedicated to change the atmosphere of corruption in Washington and on Wall St. Palin didnt go far enough with the lending issues, she should have mentioned Franks and his comments. Obama and Biden have pocketed huge sums of money from the FM's, yet no one is calling them on it. Maybe McCain is just as guilty, I dont know.
So, IMO Palin wins by default.
that was more defensive than anything. think about how many times palin made references to "do you want a ticket that will*blah blah blah* or a ticket that will *blah blah blah*?"
lol, the only real attack he had (and a good one too), was where he finished some statement saying "...now that's the ultimate bridge to no-where!"
There is no debating the levels of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere has increased tenfold in recent years, but global warming/cooling cycles have been around forever and is more than likely the explanation for recent temperature changes.
I give Palin the win by default also as BanginJimmy stated
he opened a few statements with comments like that though.
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