i want this election to be over with...
so i can decide whether or not to move to the UK or Australia...
i want this election to be over with...
so i can decide whether or not to move to the UK or Australia...
Val RIP
Originally Posted by Halfwit
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Paul, I already answered most if not all of the same exact questions with not only quotes from CBN, but Obama himself, his press secretary, ABC, CNBC, CNN, and Boston Herald.
As I said before, "proof" in your case is in the eye of the beholder. Nevermind that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, CNBC, NY Times, Boston Herald, and the rest are all biased and bow down at Obama's feet as witnessed by the ultra condescending Palin interview of less than a week ago.
Moses could come down off the mountain with 2 stone tablets scribed by God himself saying the Obama is nothing more than a puppet for the old school Democrats and the only "change" he sees is maybe his own underwear since most of his brilliant "new" ideas are nothing more than OLD Democrat Senate ideas with the letters all jumbled up to look "new and improved"......and you would want to argue that Moses is a biased source and the tablets had smudges on it....It doesn't make a difference how much "proof" I come up with, link, or re-explain because it's never going to be enough for all the Obamalites.
Let's put it this way:
You're not ever going to convince me that Obama is the best candidate. So we could argue this point until the cows come home, but it's all starting to sound just like any other political debate on TV. Neither side takes the other seriously because they are so hell bent on pointing fingers about blow jobs and tape recordings. You will never admit that ANY source is "proof" enough for you. I'm never going to vote for Obama even if ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, CNBC, NY Times, YOU, Tony, or any of the others think Obama is the next Messiah and can walk on water. So I guess we're even then.
You're not ever going to convince me that Obama is the best candidate. So we could argue this point until the cows come home, but it's all starting to sound just like any other political debate on TV. Neither side takes the other seriously because they are so hell bent on pointing fingers about blow jobs and tape recordings. You will never admit that ANY source is "proof" enough for you. I'm never going to vote for Obama even if ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, CNBC, NY Times, YOU, Tony, or any of the others think Obama is the next Messiah and can walk on water. So I guess we're even then.
this has nothing to do with trying to convince you to vote for anyone it is simply putting your OPINION/ACCUSATIONS to the faq check... you said you have the DOCUMENT OBAMA sent out.. really prove it? you and CBN said it was sent to MSNBC; yet it can not be found on MSNBC or on any other major news ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, etc
this is the exact problem with some of you people and politics you make accusations based on opinion and not facts. this has been done time/time again in these threads. yes it is politics but don't sit there and try to support you points on BS.
i got the up most respect for you and your my boy but you and i know your so called proof does not exsist. if you could prove it you could post up the MSNBC link/vid etc to the proof you say you have. i'm not holding my breath
i'll take this that republican d!ck riders lost this battle b/c you can not prove the connection between Obama and SIECUS.
I too respect your twisted and crazy views of the world.....
Seriously, I like debating with you and a couple of others on here because yall TRY
With that said, I'm not pulling things out of thin air. As I stated before, the Obama camp tried very briefly to distance themselves from his "Kindergarten sex ed" statements, but his own words betray him because he DID say them.
Here you go, another quote about what he said:
"Defending Their Candidate’s Comments, The Obama Campaign Issued Document Citing Sex-Education Curriculum For Kindergarteners From The SIECUS And Oregon Department Of Education.
“In addition, he issued a document showing that the Oregon Department of Education has guidelines for sex education for children in grades K-3 (which includes understanding the difference between a good touch and a bad touch), and that the Sexuality Information And Education Council of the United States [SIECUS] has curriculum for those in kindergarten.” (”Obama And Sex Ed For Kids,” NBC News’ “First Read,” firstread.msnbc.msn.com, Accessed 7/19/07)"
Here are yet more links about what "Level 1", i.e. Kindergarten to 5th grade, means to SIECUS:
According To SEICUS, Level 1 Sex Education Includes:
Obama's own Chicago Daily Herald reported the following:
- “Both Boys And Girls Have Body Parts That Feel Good When Touched.” (”Guidelines For Comprehensive Sexuality Education,” The Sexuality Information And Education Council Of The United States, www.siecus.org, p. 25, 2004)
- “A Boy/Man Has Nipples, A Penis, A Scrotum, And Testicles.” (”Guidelines For Comprehensive Sexuality Education,” The Sexuality Information And Education Council Of The United States, www.siecus.org, p. 25, 2004)
- “A Girl/Woman Has Breasts, Nipples, A Vulva, A Clitoris, A Vagina, A Uterus, And Ovaries.” (”Guidelines For Comprehensive Sexuality Education,” The Sexuality Information And Education Council Of The United States, www.siecus.org, p. 25, 2004)
- “Some Sexual Or Reproductive Organs, Such As Penises And Vulvas, Are External Or On The Outside Of The Body While Others, Such As Ovaries And Testicles, Are Internal Or Inside The Body.” (”Guidelines For Comprehensive Sexuality Education,” The Sexuality Information And Education Council Of The United States, www.siecus.org, p. 25, 2004)
- “Some People Are Homosexual, Which Means They Can Be Attracted To And Fall In Love With Someone Of The Same Gender.” (”Guidelines For Comprehensive Sexuality Education,” The Sexuality Information And Education Council Of The United States, www.siecus.org, p. 29, 2004)
- “Vaginal Intercourse – When A Penis Is Placed Inside A Vagina – Is The Most Common Way For A Sperm And Egg To Join.” (”Guidelines For Comprehensive Sexuality Education,” The Sexuality Information And Education Council Of The United States, www.siecus.org, p. 26, 2004)
- “Two People Of The Same Gender Can Live In Loving, Lifetime Committed Relationships.” (”Guidelines For Comprehensive Sexuality Education,” The Sexuality Information And Education Council Of The United States, www.siecus.org, p. 39, 2004)
- “Homosexual Men And Women Are Also Known As Gay Men And Lesbians.” (”Guidelines For Comprehensive Sexuality Education,” The Sexuality Information And Education Council Of The United States, www.siecus.org, p. 29, 2004)
- “Making Fun Of People By Calling Them Gay … Is Disrespectful And Hurtful.” (”Guidelines For Comprehensive Sexuality Education,” The Sexuality Information And Education Council Of The United States, www.siecus.org, p. 29, 2004)
- “Touching And Rubbing One’s Own Genitals To Feel Good Is Called Masturbation.” (”Guidelines For Comprehensive Sexuality Education,” The Sexuality Information And Education Council Of The United States, www.siecus.org, p. 51, 2004)
- “Some Boys And Girls Masturbate And Others Do Not.” (”Guidelines For Comprehensive Sexuality Education,” The Sexuality Information And Education Council Of The United States, www.siecus.org, p. 52, 2004)
- “Masturbation Should Be Done In A Private Place.” (”Guidelines For Comprehensive Sexuality Education,” The Sexuality Information And Education Council Of The United States, www.siecus.org, p. 52, 2004)"
"In The Illinois State Legislature, Barack Obama Approved Legislation To Alter Illinois’ Sex Education Standards To Include Instruction In Any Grade From Kindergarten Through 12th:
“Before His Election To The U.S. Senate, Obama Was A State Senator And Chairman Of A Committee That Approved Legislation That Would Have Altered Illinois’ Sex Education Standards To Include Instruction In Any Grade From Kindergarten Through 12th, Rather Than Grades 6-12.” (Jim Davenport, “Romney Tries To Build SC Support With Appeal To Conservatives,” The Associated Press, 7/19/07)
In Committee, Barack Obama Voted In Favor Of Legislation (S.B. 99) That Would Amend Requirements For Sex Education Classes. “Amends the School Code and the Critical Health Problems and Comprehensive Health Education Act. Changes and adds criteria that sex education classes and comprehensive health education programs must satisfy.” (S.B. 99: Illinois Senate Health And Human Services Committee, Passed, 7-4-0, 3/6/03, Obama Voted Yea)
Chicago Daily Herald: “At one point, the legislation included a provision to allow students from kindergarten through fifth grade to be added to the middle and high school students receiving sex education. Obama was chairman of the Senate committee that voted along party lines to move along the measure, which ultimately went nowhere.” (Eric Krol, “Obama Clarifies Sex Ed Views At Benedictiine,” Chicago Daily Herald, 10/6/04)"
- The Full Text Of S.B. 99 Included Changes That Would Offer Sex Education To Children Beginning In Kindergarten. “Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV.” (S.B. 99: Illinois Senate Health And Human Services Committee, Passed, 7-4-0, 3/6/03, Obama Voted Yea)
These are not MY quotes at all. They are taken directly from different media releases from other sources which you can clearly see in the footnotes.
Here is yet another direct quote from a press release, yes it was given by the Republican party but it is quoting FACTS that can easily be looked up via proposed legislature, where it highlights the FACTS as they pertain to Obama's own legislature in his home state of Illinois and statements made during his campaign:
"For Immediate Release
September 13, 2008Contact: Press Office
703-650-5550Memo: Barack Obama And Sex Education
TO: Interested Parties
RE: Barack Obama And Sex Education
DATE: September 13, 2008
In recent days, questions have arisen concerning Barack Obama’s support for sex education for Kindergarteners. This is a true statement that the Obama campaign has never disputed. Not only did Barack Obama vote for a sex education bill in the Illinois State Legislature, but four years later, he said again that he supported sex education for Kindergarteners. This is a record that establishes his clear support for expanding sex education to Kindergarteners.
Please find the facts below:
- In the Illinois State Legislature, Barack Obama voted for legislation to alter Illinois’ Sex Education standards to include instruction in any grade from Kindergarten through 12th grade. The legislation passed Barack Obama’s Illinois Senate Health and Human Services Committee that he chaired. As the Chicago Daily Herald stated, “the legislation included a provision to allow students from kindergarten through fifth grade to be added to the middle and high school students receiving sex education.”
- Despite the Obama campaign’s claims, this bill was intended to provide children as young as Kindergarten with sex education. According to the legislation itself, “Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV.” This legislation stated expressly that children in grade 12 were to be education about sexually transmitted diseases.
- In 2007, Barack Obama told Planned Parenthood that he supported sex education for Kindergarteners as long as it was “age-appropriate.” Thus on two separate occasions we have Barack Obama supporting the expansion of sex education to Kindergarteners.
- Defending Barack Obama’s statement, the Obama campaign cited far-reaching SIECUS curriculum as the model. The SIECUS curriculum goes far beyond appropriate touching. The Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States (SIECUS) supports a comprehensive approach to sex education, beginning as early as ages 5-8. For Level 1 sex education (ages 5 through 8), the guidelines include much more than appropriate touching. The curriculum includes lines that are not appropriate for us to state here but please see the link to the guidelines here: http://www.siecus.org/_data/global/images/guidelines.pdf. This is the model provided by the Obama campaign and no one else. "
So once again, these are not MY words nor facts and figures. You can dispute them if you'd like, but as I stated before and will repeat again......"TRUTH", "Fact", "reliable", is all in the eye of the beholder. You may not want to believe what is being printed and while I understand that things can be taken out of context quite often by the media even when they "like" you....it doesn't change the fact that he said it. Right or wrong?
LOL. I'm with you on that. Except it'll be Canada for me.
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