Whoops you're right I overstated.Originally Posted by tony
Sorry trying to study and do a couple of other things at the same time so my mind is kind of blah right now.
Either way Obama has been ducking him for sometime now. That fact still doesnt change
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
how can yall say he isnt prepared? politicians dont write their material, thats what the other people are for.
They still have to study it. This is one of the few times they aren't going on a teleprompter.
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
i asked you to state what NATIONAL (1 year of advanced noticed) debates Obama has missed? answer is none.Whoops you're right I overstated.
Either way Obama has been ducking him for sometime now. That fact still doesnt change
The entire thing is bull****. Mccain needs to put on his big boy pants and stand up to the task. He's known about the date of the debate for a while now, he's had plenty of time to prepare and 'work on the economy'-this is a pathetic last minute attempt to delay something that intimidates him. Granted Palin has about the same amount of political intelligence as Paris Hilton and will undoubtedly make a fool of herself-but that's a possibility mccain should have accepted when he chose her as his VP. Bottom line, mccain has no valid reason to postpone the debate. And quite frankly, mccain's only hurting himself by trying this sucker-play.
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You think McCain is not prepared for a debate on foreign policy (which is the topic of Fridays debates)???? hahaha.
Paul that is changing the subject to swing in your favorite. A debate is a debate. Fact is fact. And fact is McCain has repeatedly asked Obama to debate him prior to this and Obama ignored him. If thats what you want to do as well that's your business. But it is still hypocritical of Obama to say anything about mccain backing out of the debate when he himself did so repeatedly. But of course the media won't say anything about it
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FACT KINDA LIKE JESUS RIGHT?ITS COOL YOU WANT TO TALK SH!T W/O POSTING FACTS.
Have you not watched any of the last few forums? 9/11, Saddleback etc. where McCain has repeatedly said "I wish that Senator Obama would join me on stage" "I wish Senator Obama would join me in a discussion on the issues". If you can honestly say no then you haven't been paying attention.
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
What the hell are you talking about?
Here you want fact here's a statement from McCain to the International Herald Tribune
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/...ica/mccain.php"I've asked Senator Obama to join me in town halls across the nation,"
Obama initially seemed enthusiastic about the idea when it was floated by Mark McKinnon, an adviser to McCain, as it became clear in early May that Obama was going to win the Democratic nomination.
"I think it's a great idea," Obama said at the time.
Obama initially seemed enthusiastic about the idea when it was floated by Mark McKinnon, an adviser to McCain, as it became clear in early May that Obama was going to win the Democratic nomination.
And the Obama camp wanted one of the two to be held on July 4, a day when Americans could be expected not to flock
The article is date July 14th BEFORE THE DNC. Obama has been ducking and dodging for months. This is nothing new.
That enough fact with proof for you?
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
town hall meetings are not NATIONALLY TELEVISED DEBATES planned 1 year in advance... do you honestly think rep/dem would campaign together? i'm sure alot would get accomplished by them "even sharing a plane together"What the hell are you talking about?
Here you want fact here's a statement from McCain to the International Herald Tribune
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/...ica/mccain.php
The article is date July 14th BEFORE THE DNC. Obama has been ducking and dodging for months. This is nothing new.
That enough fact with proof for you?
Ok Paul. But it would have been a lot better than these ridiculous Forums that they have both been doing where they both basically sound exactly the same (especially at the 9/11 forum on service) and there is almost no telling them apart. At least you would have had these guys on the same stage AT THE SAME TIME and would have really been able to compare Apples to Apples. Our ecconomy is in the toilet and McCain is going to try and do his job and he is being ciriticized for it and yet what is Obama doing?town hall meetings are not NATIONALLY TELEVISED DEBATES planned 1 year in advance... do you honestly think rep/dem would campaign together? i'm sure alot would get accomplished by them "even sharing a plane together"
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
they have to do separate campaigning ... it would be cool to see 1 vs 1 throughout campaign but what would be the point... opposition would always complain b/c who would be in charge of screened questions, location, etc everything involved. it would be different if we weren't running a 2 horse race.Ok Paul. But it would have been a lot better than these ridiculous Forums that they have both been doing where they both basically sound exactly the same (especially at the 9/11 forum on service) and there is almost no telling them apart. At least you would have had these guys on the same stage AT THE SAME TIME and would have really been able to compare Apples to Apples. Our ecconomy is in the toilet and McCain is going to try and do his job and he is being ciriticized for it and yet what is Obama doing?
McCain isn't doing his job by delaying debates... he isn't going to be around to vote on anything anyway. Why don't you look into their voting records both having voted since last year on anything. They've been campaigning. Best thing for McCain to do is to show up and stop trying to create press on how diplomatic he is... they need to go toe 2 toe on a nationally televised event in front of millions.
And they still will. Hell they still might even have the damn thing Friday who knows.
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
Reps if I can.town hall meetings are not NATIONALLY TELEVISED DEBATES planned 1 year in advance... do you honestly think rep/dem would campaign together? i'm sure alot would get accomplished by them "even sharing a plane together"
Obama wants to run his own campaign and has proven very capable in doing so. Nationally televised debates are the best way to bring the debates to the people. Town halls are great for localized stuff like Senate/House races but not the best arena for debate on a national scale, especially concerning broad issues like foreign policy and the economy.
And when you look at McCain's track record with airplanes... I wouldn't fly with him.
reps for you if can. town hall meetings are pointless for the national stage IMO.town hall meetings are not NATIONALLY TELEVISED DEBATES planned 1 year in advance... do you honestly think rep/dem would campaign together? i'm sure alot would get accomplished by them "even sharing a plane together"
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They are useless if you only have one candidate on stage. You don't think the media would go nuts if they started having town halls with the both of them on the same stage at the same time talking about the issues? These forums are equally as useless as Town Halls yet they get huge press because they are in the same building.
Now put them on stage at the same time and see how useless they are on a national level
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
I don't believe in Hitler.
It still would be useless boring and would be so long a drawn out that it would put the novice voter straight to sleep.
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I'm glad that i don't care about a damn argument between to people battling each other on live television and i'm glad that i don't rely on that argument to persuade my vote.
I am against obama but at this point in time i would not have anything against him further if he were doing this rather than McCain. What difference does a debate really make.
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I highly doubt that. I guess I'm just a bit more optimistic than the next guy but oh well. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
dog ate his cue cards.
Historians have noted that the Civil War, the Great Depression and World War II didn't prompt suspensions of presidential campaigns. I would hope at the very least that our future president can multitask. Just my
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFw-_e1ZckI
At 1 minute is really funny.. a good summary of whats going on.
Can't watch it. I'm in class. Cliffs?
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
b/c the debates drill down into the issues... many things will spiral off of debates: undecided voters, contradictions, see them under pressure, more detailed info on policy, etc
i would hope anyone voting would care about how your candidate does in the debates.
Mac cancelled on Letterman so Letterman had Keith Olbermann on the show in his place and they ragged on him for the whole show. Buuuurrrrnnn
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"It's preposterous that we can't have a presidential debate in the middle of this economic crisis. We had a presidential campaign in 1864, when Sherman was marching on Atlanta. We had a presidential election in 1944, when D-Day was going on in Normandy," he said. "We can have a debate on Friday. In fact, it's probably the most important thing McCain and them could be doing, would be to debate the issues."
they can do both.
+ last week McCain said our economy is fundamentally strong.....
now this is urgent?
I hope McCain does not show up, I really do.
lol I forgot McCain did say that last week now look at hime we are in a crisis.
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I really want to hear what he has to say. I mean I could potentially be swayed. I say that with a tinge of sarcasm, but I know there are a lot of voters who are on the fence and I really wouldn't vote for a candidate without first hearing them debate
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vIDEODavid Letterman absolutely tore John McCain a new one on Wednesday's show, after McCain supposedly called Dave at the last minute to cancel his appearance because he had to "race to the airport" to go watch after our crappy economy.
But here's the kicker: Later on, Dave cut to live footage of Johnny boy getting his makeup done for an interview with Katie Couric -- only a couple blocks away from Dave's studio and far from an airport.
After Dave busted McCain with his pants down, he used the opportunity to rail his elder some more.
http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=t...2-b803b66d3c28
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^ bahhhhhhhhh letterman was really funny about it. mccain got OWNED... if he doesn't show up friday you better kiss your polls goodbye
Eh I could care less that he blew off Letterman. If he had time for one interview I could totally understand him canceling the Letterman interview and keeping the Couric interview.
Think of it this way. You're grandmother's dying and you got enough time to make one stop. Do you buy beer or do you go to church and pray?
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
that is the lamest rebuttal ever... you've been d!ck riding on how he is going to "DO WHAT HE IS PAID FOR AND GO BACK TO WASHINGTON" and McCain tells letterman "i'm flying back to washington can't make it"... ya he shows up live on Couric down the street.
You're right but seriously who gives a **** if kept one interview and kept another one.that is the lamest rebuttal ever... you've been d!ck riding on how he is going to "DO WHAT HE IS PAID FOR AND GO BACK TO WASHINGTON" and McCain tells letterman "i'm flying back to washington can't make it"... ya he shows up live on Couric down the street.
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
that is the lamest rebuttal ever... you've been d!ck riding on how he is going to "DO WHAT HE IS PAID FOR AND GO BACK TO WASHINGTON" and McCain tells letterman "i'm flying back to washington can't make it"... ya he shows up live on Couric down the street.
Not even down the street, it was in the same building. Mac called Dave and told him he was flying to D.C. but in fact he hadn't even left the building.that is the lamest rebuttal ever... you've been d!ck riding on how he is going to "DO WHAT HE IS PAID FOR AND GO BACK TO WASHINGTON" and McCain tells letterman "i'm flying back to washington can't make it"... ya he shows up live on Couric down the street.
Mac and Dave are personal friends. Mac even announced his candidacy on Dave's show. Its one thing to cancel an interview on an entertainment show to give priority to a news show, but he didn't tell Dave he was going on the evening news. He told him he was going to D.C. right away. Mac just flat out lied to a good friend... bad character IMO.
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