Sex education in schools...?

[Total_Blender]

The research is there that the more intensive programs work, I cited it you can read it or not. What you guys keep spouting off about "its the parents' fault" has little to do with methods that have been proven to work in independent scientific studies. If you believe in this stuff so strongly why not argue your points to the APA (American Psychological Association, 150,000 members), the AMA (American Medical Association, 266,000 members), or the CDC (Center for disease Control and Prevention, 15,000 employees)? Both of these organizations are on board with the more intensive sex-ed programs. Maybe you could also argue your points to the 127,433,494 citizens of Japan and the 16,408,557 citizens of the Netherlands where these programs are working well. I'm sure they'd love to hear the American viewpoint on why our failing programs are better than their successful ones.

Keeping sex-ed the way it is (or worse, further emphasisn abstinence-only and further disregarding science) will only make the problems we have now with sexual predation, teen preganacy and the spread of STD's worse.

Kids need something to guide them and show them that the image of sex that they are shown in the media is not how it really is. And most kids parents aren't giving them that. The parents should be providing the major role but countless studies show that they aren't. So while you guys sit on your high horses and talk about the way that you raise your own kids, nothing is done to help the situations of children who are not lucky enough to have parents who will explain this stuff to them.

Substitute sex ed class with time served in a maternity ward of a hospital helping deliver an actual live baby.....or spend some tangible time working with social workers who visit with abandoned children.....or maybe make each student spend an entire week taking care of a newborn.....that may just go much further towards curbing teen pregnancies than explaining to them how to masturbate or put on a condom. As Metalman said, they likely already know how to do that anyway. The real hurdle is not that they "know" but in reality is getting them to apply that.

The programs I am talking about do just that... a combination of science based information and real world experience by taking kids out and showing them the consequences of bad decisions. Unfortunately these programs are the most expensive and given the current shift of cutting "socialist pork spending programs" it is unlikely that any legislation of this type will pass unless we get more progressives in congress/White House. Note that I didn't say democrat

[Jaimecbr900]

The research is there that the more intensive programs work, I cited it you can read it or not. What you guys keep spouting off about "its the parents' fault" has little to do with methods that have been proven to work in independent scientific studies. If you believe in this stuff so strongly why not argue your points to the APA (American Psychological Association, 150,000 members), the AMA (American Medical Association, 266,000 members), or the CDC (Center for disease Control and Prevention, 15,000 employees)? Both of these organizations are on board with the more intensive sex-ed programs. Maybe you could also argue your points to the 127,433,494 citizens of Japan and the 16,408,557 citizens of the Netherlands where these programs are working well. I'm sure they'd love to hear the American viewpoint on why our failing programs are better than their successful ones.

Dude, you really need to learn to read better before embarking on a point making expedition. Seriously.

I never said to "take out" sex ed, or that it was "bad" to have at all. I don't get where you got that out of my very clear and direct posts. You can ask anyone around here and they will tell you that I'm VERY clear with my posts, so I don't understand how you've tried to turn around both mine and Metalman's post to something totally off what we've tried to say.

If you or anyone else can't see how TRYING and utterly failing to "teach" sex ed to a 5yr old., which has always been MY POINT all along, is NEVER going to do anything.....then you guys are not using logic nor reality.

OK, let's use your logic for a minute:

Let's start teaching 5 yr olds Physics. Let's TRY and explain to them how particles that they don't even KNOW EXIST work. Let's teach them how Inertia works. Let's explain the Theory of Relativity to them. Maybe teach them Newton's law. Why not? I mean I know that I'm far from "stupid", yet I can't remember my kindergarden teacher's name let alone what she was TRYING to teach me back then. Why not then teach them complicated theories and equations while we're at it? Maybe it's because THEY'RE NOT AT A LEVEL WHERE THEIR EDUCATION, LIFE EXPERIENCES, NOR MATURITY has taken them yet so TRYING to teach is totally useless UNLESS you teach them at the proper order and level where THEY CAN understand. THAT IS MY POINT. I CAN'T MAKE IT ANY MORE CLEARER THAN THAT. Teach all the sex ed you want TO TEENS AND PRE-TEENS. 5-9 yr olds will neither comprehend, absorb, nor retain "sex ed". Furthermore, teaching a CHILD that age what a vagina is certainly will NOT do a single thing towards curbing TEEN pregnancies.

If yall want to continue to argue that point with me, save it because there is no logical thought process that makes that equation work.

Keeping sex-ed the way it is (or worse, further emphasisn abstinence-only and further disregarding science) will only make the problems we have now with sexual predation, teen preganacy and the spread of STD's worse.

I'll bite.....How?

Kids need something to guide them and show them that the image of sex that they are shown in the media is not how it really is.

I agree, but it's called P-A-R-E-N-T(S).

And most kids parents aren't giving them that.

Again, I'll bite......where is the data showing this?

So while you guys sit on your high horses and talk about the way that you raise your own kids, nothing is done to help the situations of children who are not lucky enough to have parents who will explain this stuff to them.

Spoken like someone who has no kids of his own, so it's EASY for you be a Monday morning quarterback....

Come talk when YOU have children of your own. Come tell me THEN that YOU are too busy or too big a chicken to discuss sex with your OWN CHILDREN so you want to be sure their SCHOOL does YOUR job for you. When you do, I'll call you a loser and a failure to your face. When you don't, THEN you will understand where I'm coming from.

Do you still not get it?

The programs I am talking about do just that... a combination of science based information and real world experience by taking kids out and showing them the consequences of bad decisions. Unfortunately these programs are the most expensive and given the current shift of cutting "socialist pork spending programs" it is unlikely that any legislation of this type will pass unless we get more progressives in congress/White House. Note that I didn't say democrat

Just where do you think the funding for these bright new ideas of ADDING curriculum is going to come from???? Think about it. So you're telling me that you'd rather that money go towards more "books", slide show presentations, and teachers rather than spent on some truly revolutionary programs like I mentioned????? Okie dokie. Talk about beating the same dead horse. Sex ed being taught by school as the sole primary source of sexual education is what has got us to where we are today. So instead of changing the way we look at sex ed, we're just going to throw MORE of the same at it......just earlier.......ummm, say what???? Kidding me right?

[Total_Blender]

Just where do you think the funding for these bright new ideas of ADDING curriculum is going to come from???? Think about it. So you're telling me that you'd rather that money go towards more "books", slide show presentations, and teachers rather than spent on some truly revolutionary programs like I mentioned????? Okie dokie. Talk about beating the same dead horse. Sex ed being taught by school as the sole primary source of sexual education is what has got us to where we are today. So instead of changing the way we look at sex ed, we're just going to throw MORE of the same at it......just earlier.......ummm, say what???? Kidding me right?

I think you are reading my posts just to criticize them and you aren't really getting the dorifto of what I'm saying. I agree with you that a program that gets teens out of the classroom and gives them real world experience is a good thing. In fact I provided a link to a study that discussed such programs and their rates of success. What I meant was that these programs cost money and our current political climate is all bout budget cuts.Gov. Perdue just passed an emergency 6% budget cut across the board a couple months ago in addition to the cuts passed in the current session. So while I support such programs, I recognize getting them implemented will be a challenge. And such programs should be an addition to a comprehansive curriculum program based on real science rather than a substitute for it.

As for the rest of your arguments, I have said that I don't support the teaching of the full curricula to all grades and that there should be an age apporpriate progression to be determined by state local authorities (who are elected and answer to the parents). I also support the option of parents to opt their kids out of the programs without penalty. So in the first half of your latest post you just put a bunch of words in my mouth that aren't necessarily mine.

On any of your talking points from your last post you can defer to research and studies I have already posted.

This argument could continue but the horse is already glue.