Palin-tology ???

[metalman]

By comparison, praying to Mary, statues(idols) of 'saints', buying your relatives out of purgatory, paying offerings for the right to sin, eating the wafer god, etc etc all seem far wackier in terms of religious practice....especially since all are condemned in the very christian book the people practicing them propose to follow. By comparison preaching the end time message, baptism, etc are all condoned by that book.

I think Obamaramas religious association is beyond retarded too. Anyone who sits by for years listening to the unAmerican hatred being spouted by his 'mentor' seems un qualified to be the leader of the freeworld IMHO.

There's no question however that the GOP has major problems in terms of being in bed with religious wackjobs (Pat Robertson & others) who actually believe that its their duty to 'do gods work' and bring this country 'back to god' and all manner of other idiotic freedom eroding concepts that should scare any American as well as indicate they have no grasp on the principles of the bible they claim to follow.

I think w're fuked either way in the long run.

[4dmin]

By comparison, praying to Mary, statues(idols) of 'saints', buying your relatives out of purgatory, paying offerings for the right to sin, eating the wafer god, etc etc all seem far wackier in terms of religious practice....especially since all are condemned in the very christian book the people practicing them propose to follow. By comparison preaching the end time message, baptism, etc are all condoned by that book.

I think Obamaramas religious association is beyond retarded too. Anyone who sits by for years listening to the unAmerican hatred being spouted by his 'mentor' seems un qualified to be the leader of the freeworld IMHO.

There's no question however that the GOP has major problems in terms of being in bed with religious wackjobs (Pat Robertson & others) who actually believe that its their duty to 'do gods work' and bring this country 'back to god' and all manner of other idiotic freedom eroding concepts that should scare any American as well as indicate they have no grasp on the principles of the bible they claim to follow.

I think w're fuked either way in the long run.

obama's background isn't any different yet it is quite humorous Hillary/GOP supporters have made such a big deal about it now same is surfacing about Palin

[AirMax95]

By comparison, praying to Mary, statues(idols) of 'saints', buying your relatives out of purgatory, paying offerings for the right to sin, eating the wafer god, etc etc all seem far wackier in terms of religious practice....especially since all are condemned in the very christian book the people practicing them propose to follow. By comparison preaching the end time message, baptism, etc are all condoned by that book.

I think Obamaramas religious association is beyond retarded too. Anyone who sits by for years listening to the unAmerican hatred being spouted by his 'mentor' seems un qualified to be the leader of the freeworld IMHO.

There's no question however that the GOP has major problems in terms of being in bed with religious wackjobs (Pat Robertson & others) who actually believe that its their duty to 'do gods work' and bring this country 'back to god' and all manner of other idiotic freedom eroding concepts that should scare any American as well as indicate they have no grasp on the principles of the bible they claim to follow.

I think w're fuked either way in the long run.

Ha, yeah.....he said things that people say all the time. His position makes it hard to swallow the words. Its a black church, the christian faith was bestowed upon african-americans when we were brought over in slavery. Slavery itself goes against the words of the Bible. Anger yes, crazy....hardly. I have read his sermons countless times. People fear people like him (race does not apply) because they voice the TRUTH about this countries DIRT. We toss Christianity and every other religion up in the air and play with it. He used direct quotes for his sermons, making certain things in society known to those who may not know. Anderson Cooper did a good article after he analyzed his speeches. Never did he "damn" America. He simply spoke the truth to the people.

Also, as stated numerous times, just because people say things does not mean you follow/believe them all. I am pretty we all have close family who has said some outlandish things, but you still love/respect them.

Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism."

The truth hurts, especially when you know you have been telling a lie.

Also, I don't think we are ****ed, lol. Every election we get 2 candidates who have thier own level of ****tyness. Its nothing new. The biggest fears are mainly 2 things:

1) Obama being able to change the norm for the better

2) McCain being able to do worse than Bush

I say we hope for EITHER of the two candidates to break even and we are well on our way to being the same ole US of A!

[metalman]

Ha, yeah.....he said things that people say all the time. His position makes it hard to swallow the words.

Yeah..some blacks spout a veiled hatred all the time...and/or blame whitey or the gubment for problems they cause themselves. In fairness, white a$$holes wearing sheets say much the same redderick and are frankly in the same catagory. I expect much more from a 'man of god'...which that man really isnt IMHO.

Obama's association with him until called out on it says volumes about him. Please save the 'wacky uncle' crap excuse for the stupid. Black people need to stop making excuses for stupidity, bigotry, and other such ignorance within their community, openly condemn it, and rise above it.

Its a black church, the christian faith was bestowed upon african-americans when we were brought over in slavery.

None of which has anything to do with much of anything.
Youre NOT a slave. Neither am I.
We're free to do ANYthing we wish. We SHOULD improve our own situation by being an example of love, kindness, and respect....especially when one calls themself a minister of the bible/chistianity/gospel.

Its very clear this idiot was merely pandering to an undercurrent of 'blame whitey' and blame society for the problems in his community....cloaking this garbage as a 'spiritual message'. Thats not the job of a minister of God, nor is ANY such calling manadated in the christian Bible....on the contrary!! The 'we were slaves once' excuse utterly fails.

[AirMax95]

Yeah..some blacks spout a veiled hatred all the time...and/or blame whitey or the gubment for problems they cause themselves. In fairness, white a$$holes wearing sheets say much the same redderick and are frankly in the same catagory. I expect much more from a 'man of god'...which that man really isnt IMHO.

Obama's association with him until called out on it says volumes about him. Please save the 'wacky uncle' crap excuse for the stupid. Black people need to stop making excuses for stupidity, bigotry, and other such ignorance within their community, openly condemn it, and rise above it.




None of which has anything to do with much of anything.
Youre NOT a slave. Neither am I.
We're free to do ANYthing we wish. We SHOULD improve our own situation by being an example of love, kindness, and respect....especially when one calls themself a minister of the bible/chistianity/gospel.

Its very clear this idiot was merely pandering to an undercurrent of 'blame whitey' and blame society for the problems in his community....cloaking this garbage as a 'spiritual message'. Thats not the job of a minister of God, nor is ANY such calling manadated in the christian Bible....on the contrary!! The 'we were slaves once' excuse utterly fails.

Don't chop my post.

He never blamed "whitey" for anything. I am going to discontinue discussing with you, beacuse you SEEM to be among the people who hear things and quote them, but NEVER want to seek the truth. He revealed all the dirt the the US leaders were doing. What goes around comes around. Keep letting the media dictate and decide everything for you. I know you are not stupid, probably far from it, but you will not sit there and act like you AGREE with everything your mother or father has ever said. Beliefs are one thing, actions are another, and Obama is an intelligent individual who makes his own decisions. He openly admitted that he did not agree with EVERYTHING that the man said, but everyone wants to yell guilty by association. GTFO

...and stop making every arguement about black people like you know all (if you are black, well then just WOW!) Yes, some black people still blame whitey, SOME have reason to. There are plenty of whites that act like their predecessors and screw minorites all the time. Yes, black people need to do better, and WE are. The United States as a whole has begun to play the blame game all the time. Our countries leaders do it, from the county level to the executive branch. Some white people blame affirmitive action for them losing jobs to minorities!

My point is this: His sermons were about the US taking into account the wrong that they are doing. The profound speech that got Rev Wright on blast was the post 9/11 speech. What you reap is what you sow. He dug up all the WRONG that the US has done and put it on blast. We make excuses for everything and try to justify it.

I am also glad that you have assessed the stupidity, bigotry, and other such ignorance within our community. As stated NUMEROUS times on this board by COUNTLESS people, you will never understand being black unless you are. Being the minority and having strikes against you before you are born. No I am not a slave, yes I make my own choices, yes I have overcome the stereotypes, but I know how majority of society views me. I know who I am, what I am, and what I stand for......sadly MANY people see only a black man who is doomed to the stereotypes of the land. I, amongst many others are beating the odds so to say. If CNN were to do any other "(insert race) In America", I am pretty sure that some spot light would be shinned on everybody.

Part of the ministry is being an educator. Yes, he is an outspoken individual that tells it like it is. Google Anderson Coopers assessment of Rev. Wright. Cooper has nothing to gain from sitting and studying the mans sermons. Calling someone racist is not "un-christian" behavior. The man wishes the best for all people. He called out some big names, cited the truth and then the media jumps on him and slams him cause he is a minister. Again, not HATRED rather ANGER!!!

Majority of the people bashing him are back-sliding christians on a daily basis who got their tails handed to them by Wright.

Here is one of the articles: http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/2...ts-911-sermon/

Rely on that media if you believe all the other hype.

[metalman]

Don't chop my post.

I am going to discontinue discussing with you, beacuse you SEEM to be among the people who hear things and quote them, but NEVER want to seek the truth. .

You obviously know nothing about me then. I likely have spent more time 'seeking truth' then the average person here...and I wouldnt be very surprised if that included you.

And, I'll 'chop' any post anyway I see fit thank you. I dont care to address all the meaningless side nonsense you included in yours, just some key points.

This fool utterly fails as a minister of the gospel....end of story.
If you dont see that or understand it then YOU definitely need to 'seek some truth'.

[AirMax95]

You obviously know nothing about me then. I likely have spent more time 'seeking truth' then the average person here...and I wouldnt be very surprised if that included you.

And, I'll 'chop' any post anyway I see fit thank you. I dont care to address all the meaningless side nonsense you included in yours, just some key points.

This fool utterly fails as a minister of the gospel....end of story.
If you dont see that or understand it then YOU definitely need to 'seek some truth'.

Gotcha buddy

Never said I knew anything about you, only going off your post. I am glad that you are a truth seeker and don't fall for the meaningless jargon the media may spew out.

You can call what I posted nonsense, but it is reality. My point is that he was put on blast for speaking the truth. I posted some fact, and there is plenty more out there. I don't agree with several of his sermons, esp. the use of the N word, but in regards to why he is in the media, people pulled bull**** not fact.

Carry on.

BTW, chopping post takes away from the complete meaning of what I typed. Jeremiah Wright's sermons were chopped to make his points sound like they came out of left field. Cooper fixed that though.

[metalman]

Part of the ministry is being an educator. Yes, he is an outspoken individual that tells it like it is. Calling someone racist is not "un-christian" behavior. The man wishes the best for all people. He called out some big names, cited the truth and then the media jumps on him and slams him cause he is a minister. Again, not HATRED rather ANGER!!!

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Perhaps you have bought into the political/racial nonsense put forth in many black churches.

Jesus Christ, the EXAMPLE for ALL ministers of the gospel said this..."My Kingdom is NOT of this world" Not once did He EVER get involved in political issues of this world....not once. His closest friends didnt even understand this at first and urged him to do so. Afterall, they were slaves of the Roman empire and wanted that to change. BUT, Christ ignored all of that. ALL. Christ could have freed the jews from Roman occupation...but didnt. He could have preached firey sermons about the political issues of the day...but didnt. He could have incited political revolution and freed all earthly slaves but didnt. That was never His example to his followers nor instruction to ministers of that same gospel.
Why?????? Well thats where you need to study....and seek truth.
I already have a pretty good idea of the answer. I have already given you a hint. Have fun!

[Nerdsrock22]

Perhaps you have bought into the political/racial nonsense put forth in many black churches.

Jesus Christ, the EXAMPLE for ALL ministers of the gospel said this..."My Kingdom is NOT of this world" Not once did He EVER get involved in political issues of this world....not once. His closest friends didnt even understand this at first and urged him to do so. Afterall, they were slaves of the Roman empire and wanted that to change. BUT, Christ ignored all of that. ALL. Christ could have freed the jews from Roman occupation...but didnt. He could have preached firey sermons about the political issues of the day...but didnt. He could have incited political revolution and freed all earthly slaves but didnt. That was never His example to his followers nor instruction to ministers of that same gospel.
Why?????? Well thats where you need to study....and seek truth.
I already have a pretty good idea of the answer. I have already given you a hint. Have fun!

Have you read Gregory Boyd's Myth of a Christian Nation?

I think you'd enjoy it.

[Total_Blender]

Christ could have freed the jews from Roman occupation...but didnt. He could have preached firey sermons about the political issues of the day...but didnt. He could have incited political revolution and freed all earthly slaves but didnt.!

You do realize that most of what makes up the Bible was complied and translated by Greeks and Romans, right? And that most accepted Christian practices originated within the Roman Empire after it became Christian? And also that religion was used by slave owners as a tool to keep the slaves subservient, much the same way that you just posted?

What a lot of White people don't understand is that the Black church is not JUST a church. It is also kind of an unofficial community/political organization. Back in the reconstruction the Black churches organized much of the resistance to White oppression. The churches were an already established organization then and were one of the few places where Blacks could conduct political affairs within their own communities without much interference from Whites. It worked then, and the model has survived/adapted to the present day.

As a leader in the Black community, Obama probably attended Rev, Wright's church just to show that he was present and listening to the concerns in the Black church community. He didn't necessarily have to agree with Rev. Wright on every issue because the church and the community around it were bigger than Rev. Wright.

[metalman]

You do realize that most of what makes up the Bible was complied and translated by Greeks and Romans, right? And that most accepted Christian practices originated within the Roman Empire after it became Christian? And also that religion was used by slave owners as a tool to keep the slaves subservient, much the same way that you just posted?

What a lot of White people don't understand is that the Black church is not JUST a church. It is also kind of an unofficial community/political organization.

It would appear that you may have bought into a 'black notion' of Christian history, a catholic notion, or similar...and the subsequent 'excuses' to ignore the Christian God.

I find it ironic that professed Christians feel they should follow their God in every way EXCEPT the way He indicates. I also find it ironic that professed believers profess to serve an "Almighty" immortal God yet really think He is incapable of preserving His own truth/word from mortal humans. They contradict themselves! No wonder atheists laugh at them.

As for slave owners 'using' religion....of course, slave owners MISUSED anything they could to preseve their immoral way of life....including the Bible and religion. But, even an elementary understanding of the Christian Bible would show that slavery of any human is imorral..and that engaging in such is not Christian by any means.

I fully understand the 'black church' is (has become) a political organization. And as such it UTTERY FAILS as a Christian church....much like the slave traders 'churchy' notions and methods. And of course, to rationalize this one must 'tarnish' the 'gods word' as 'poluted by men' to fit this course of action.

I guess the god these people serve is incapable! Hows he going to save them then?

[AirMax95]

You do realize that most of what makes up the Bible was complied and translated by Greeks and Romans, right? And that most accepted Christian practices originated within the Roman Empire after it became Christian? And also that religion was used by slave owners as a tool to keep the slaves subservient, much the same way that you just posted?

What a lot of White people don't understand is that the Black church is not JUST a church. It is also kind of an unofficial community/political organization. Back in the reconstruction the Black churches organized much of the resistance to White oppression. The churches were an already established organization then and were one of the few places where Blacks could conduct political affairs within their own communities without much interference from Whites. It worked then, and the model has survived/adapted to the present day.

As a leader in the Black community, Obama probably attended Rev, Wright's church just to show that he was present and listening to the concerns in the Black church community. He didn't necessarily have to agree with Rev. Wright on every issue because the church and the community around it were bigger than Rev. Wright.

Thank you.

Perhaps you have bought into the political/racial nonsense put forth in many black churches.

Jesus Christ, the EXAMPLE for ALL ministers of the gospel said this..."My Kingdom is NOT of this world" Not once did He EVER get involved in political issues of this world....not once. His closest friends didnt even understand this at first and urged him to do so. Afterall, they were slaves of the Roman empire and wanted that to change. BUT, Christ ignored all of that. ALL. Christ could have freed the jews from Roman occupation...but didnt. He could have preached firey sermons about the political issues of the day...but didnt. He could have incited political revolution and freed all earthly slaves but didnt. That was never His example to his followers nor instruction to ministers of that same gospel.
Why?????? Well thats where you need to study....and seek truth.
I already have a pretty good idea of the answer. I have already given you a hint. Have fun!

Please see above.

I know the Bible sir, still learning and interpreting more about it everday. If you only knew the 2 churches that I were raised in. There were never any talks of Politics by the pastors, not hatred preached in regards to race, but I get your point. Skim the good book, it highlights how you should treat people. Skim it again, we are all children of god. Skim it again, ....you get my point.

Before I go any further with a rebutle: What is your faith base sir, may I ask?