illegals ftl
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illegals ftl
/discussion
Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
your statement on the 120billion funding for the war was voted NO by Obama b/c majority of democrats were tired of Bush and other republicans failing to agree to start to make a timeline for troop withdrawl. Republicans keep asking for more and more money for a war that hasn't brought the US anything. Americans do not feel safer, we have spent 700+ billion w/o catching Bin Ladin, etc...
repbulicans have no where near to complain when they keep wanting to make tax cuts to benefit themselves while asking for me money to fund a losing battle. I'm sorry but if your making 1 million dollars a year you don't need any more tax cuts. i read every link i posted and others i didn't. all this talk of tax cuts is a joke if you really knew what republicans consider cutting. not to say democrats ask for money on leeching gov't aid systems, but when put into perspective the war could of funded everything we have discussed for bush's 8 year term
yep, so you believe then it's our troops that should suffer then? bc it's obvious they aren't coming home, and if you decide to cut the funding then what're they going to eat? and what're they going to wear? and what're they gonig to use to shoot ragheads with? last i checked logic and reasoning didn't do much to stop a terrorist in his tracks...
your statement on the 120billion funding for the war was voted NO by Obama b/c majority of democrats were tired of Bush and other republicans failing to agree to start to make a timeline for troop withdrawl. Republicans keep asking for more and more money for a war that hasn't brought the US anything. Americans do not feel safer, we have spent 700+ billion w/o catching Bin Ladin, etc...
repbulicans have no where near to complain when they keep wanting to make tax cuts to benefit themselves while asking for me money to fund a losing battle. I'm sorry but if your making 1 million dollars a year you don't need any more tax cuts. i read every link i posted and others i didn't. all this talk of tax cuts is a joke if you really knew what republicans consider cutting. not to say democrats ask for money on leeching gov't aid systems, but when put into perspective the war could of funded everything we have discussed for bush's 8 year term
i support bringing a resolution to the war that has cost us 100's of billions and resulted in very little. you have to go both sides to this...
republicans ask for more money w/o giving results
democrats say no to money w/o results
you can't expect people to go 100% all of the time.... bush has shot down resolutions/results holding iraq responsible since this began. he is doing nothing but milking our gov't. there is no if then or buts about it... it is fact. he refuses to bring an end to this war that is why he is not pushing his nose more into iran/russia.
ps. if we stopped war funding the war would end and withdrawl would begin.
You're right. This war has been going on long enough. We should end it now and bring our troops home.
Let's do the same thing in: Korea. Japan. Taiwan. Afghanistan. Kuwait. Saudi Arabia. Germany. All the others who have been "Occupied" by American troops in the 60+ years since World War 2.
Then we can cut the number of troops our military has, stop funding for new equipment too. What would we DO with all this money?! Then the world would have to fend for itself for it's defense and security. The UN might have to employ peacekeeping troops to areas around the world where another foreign nation has (without any real motivation) invaded a sovereign state with little more than two or three days of CNN coverage that faded faster than riples in a still pond. We can also cut off foreign aid to nations in economic stress. What WOULD we do with all this MONEY we'd save? We could dump it all into the home mortgage market. We could take the sum total of all mortgages in the country, compare how much money we have a year, and start writing checks. If we could save 20% of the total of all mortgages in the country...we could just write a check, once every year for the next five years, and pay off everyone's mortgage. Then they have all that cash from owning their own homes. Massive personal equity, a bulletproof economic backing that comes from SOLID assets that are 100% owned by everyone. Then we could just cut the taxes down to eliminate the government ever having that money again and just let the people keep it. Realistically we'd gain 25-30% of the current GDP in growth over the next 5 years at least. Average annual income after-taxes would be up almost $30,000 if we could pull that off.
The downside is being militarily unprepared should we need to go into a world-war type scenario again, but hey.
That's what the nukes are for right?
are you personally guaranteeing it?
no b/c bush might be dumb enough to continue such a war w/o funding... he would then have a scap goat like he has had for 8 years on funding for the war. it is a seesaw.
the us has a military budget - we could of just as easily flown a plane into mnts of Afghanistan and devastated everything and increased satellite coverage to increase security from training cames in the region. in the mean time we would be saving 10 billion a month; granted this money may not even filter back into US pockets probably due to the fact we wouldn't have to borrow as much money now from other countries in other areas.
Yes, this is traditionally the way that Congress has challenged the President's war-making abilities. There are many times in history that the Pres has asked Congress for a budget for a war and been denied.
I find it ironic that anyone would even attempt to defend someone committing a criminal act. It's beyond me. Is it illegal for you to be here, yes or no? It's that black and white.
I helped someone, won't mention names but suffice it to say very close to me, with immigration issues. They wanted to be legal, so they went thru the PITA process. Yes, it's a PITA. Yes, it's ambiguos. But at the end of the day, they did it and now are 100% legal without any worries. Why? BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO. They didn't wallow in a sea of excuses. They just simply said, "you want me to jump how high?....Ok, here you go" and did it. It took months to do it, but they got it done. So I don't want to hear all the excuses that even though it is a PITA and it really SHOULD be easier for those that are WANTING to be here legally. It CAN be done, WHEN you WANT to. Waiting for amnesty is NOT doing something. It is no different than the other lazy a$$es that live off welfare and benefits when they could easily work for themselves because they are wishing on a star that a $100k/yr job falls into their lap. No different.
So stop all the excuses and DO something about your legal status. Don't give me this "we pave all your roads", "we do jobs you won't do".....damn right it won't get done if all you're willing to pay is $6/hr. If you put it up to where even the illegals had to compete on a level playing field with everyone else, they wouldn't do it for $6/hr either. It was eloquently explained by Kaiser in another post if you want to see the reason why.
What's next? Drug dealers forming unions to get their sentences reduced? Maybe we'll have bank robbers picket banks because they have alarm systems???? Dur, dur......
I find it ironic that anyone would even attempt to defend someone committing a criminal act. It's beyond me. Is it illegal for you to be here, yes or no? It's that black and white.
I helped someone, won't mention names but suffice it to say very close to me, with immigration issues. They wanted to be legal, so they went thru the PITA process. Yes, it's a PITA. Yes, it's ambiguos. But at the end of the day, they did it and now are 100% legal without any worries. Why? BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO. They didn't wallow in a sea of excuses. They just simply said, "you want me to jump how high?....Ok, here you go" and did it. It took months to do it, but they got it done. So I don't want to hear all the excuses that even though it is a PITA and it really SHOULD be easier for those that are WANTING to be here legally. It CAN be done, WHEN you WANT to. Waiting for amnesty is NOT doing something. It is no different than the other lazy a$$es that live off welfare and benefits when they could easily work for themselves because they are wishing on a star that a $100k/yr job falls into their lap. No different.
So stop all the excuses and DO something about your legal status. Don't give me this "we pave all your roads", "we do jobs you won't do".....damn right it won't get done if all you're willing to pay is $6/hr. If you put it up to where even the illegals had to compete on a level playing field with everyone else, they wouldn't do it for $6/hr either. It was eloquently explained by Kaiser in another post if you want to see the reason why.
What's next? Drug dealers forming unions to get their sentences reduced? Maybe we'll have bank robbers picket banks because they have alarm systems???? Dur, dur......+50
You liked that?......
You as a latino should understand what the majority of not all go through when they first arrive here. You're Dominican, right? I'm sure you're aware that the process to gain citizenship isn't an over night thing. Some people have to wait years for it - and a lot just don't really know where to look. I've been here since I was 6 months old and I am still illegal - And am not ashamed to admit it. I just can't really understand why latin people choose to act like it's not a big deal when they're not the ones in the situation.
Kids like me were brought here, we didn't have a choice. I know I should get the ball rollin' on my situation but I honestly don't even know where to start. I know eventually the time will come when I will have to act. But as of now, I could really careless if I'm legal or not, I get a sh*t load of money taken away from me everytime I get a check from work. I don't put any dependents down because I rather do stuff the legal way just in case something comes up in the future where I'll have proof of me doing so and so. Take hispanics who hardly know any english. How are they going to make it? If our 'raza' was more organized I'm sure we wouldn't have as many illegals as we do now.
ignorance is not an excuse
#1. I'm not Dominican. I'm Puerto Rican, so I've been a citizen since birth.
#2. Eventhough I didn't need to personally go thru the naturalization process, as I stated earlier, I did help someone go thru it. I KNOW what a PITA it is. I know all the red tape they had to go thru. I know all the BS stuff they had to go thru. But they still did it and got it done. If someone doesn't want to go thru the trouble it's one thing, but don't blame that on society. You have only one person to blame.
#3. It is actually a very big deal to me. You know why? Because every ignorant redneck and has-been THINKS that I'm Mexican. Remember, we all look-a-like....
Again, this is strictly YOUR fault. Know why? Because there are a bunch of resources available IF you want to do it right. So "not knowing where to start" is not an excuse. You can call, write, even look up on the net how to do it all perfectly legal. It's a matter of wanting to do it. That's exactly my point. I'm standing up and NOT letting my "race" use excuses as a reason to be illegal. You're illegal because YOU want to be. If you have no reason to get declined, then you need only start the process. Months will pass regardless. Next year will come even if you DON'T apply, right? So what do you have to lose? Yes, if you did it wrong in the beginning you may have to travel back to your country of origin to start the process properly, but that's part of the deal.Kids like me were brought here, we didn't have a choice. I know I should get the ball rollin' on my situation but I honestly don't even know where to start. I know eventually the time will come when I will have to act. But as of now, I could really careless if I'm legal or not, I get a sh*t load of money taken away from me everytime I get a check from work. I don't put any dependents down because I rather do stuff the legal way just in case something comes up in the future where I'll have proof of me doing so and so. Take hispanics who hardly know any english. How are they going to make it? If our 'raza' was more organized I'm sure we wouldn't have as many illegals as we do now.
That's like not taking a shower because you know you'll eventually get dirty again. How's that make any sense? Well, neither does sitting back and waiting on some amnesty program to grant you what you SHOULD have done all along.
With all that said and knowing what I know now......it really is far more difficult to get the proper paperwork processed than it should be. It is unfair many times. But it is what it is. It's the law, and much like the 55 mph speed limit that is ridiculous....we have to do it or pay the price.
Sorry to say this was the dumbest thing I ever heard. Let it be clear to everyone that unless you have status here in the USA YOU CANNOT CHANGE IT. If you are here illegally you have to a-get married to am american or B- Hope to god you have a family member somewhere down the line to spncer you. Period. PITA no longer exist and hasn't for a while. The is no jump from illegal and there is no "oh you can fix it if you want to " BS there used to be but now its gone. Please refresh yourselves on current immigration law before you start to throw it out there. And since I saw you are latino yourselve those are strong words to say. Why it it when a latino gets his papers he turns into an *******. I've seen it sooo many times. You shoudl respect your roots for real
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