Obama DNC Speech

[Alan®]

Post all comments and thoughts in here.

My overall impression. Much like all the analysts are saying I think that the speach was mostly old style democratic garbage. I also thought that it still sounds too much like all the rest of his speech's ........EMPTY. More of the same I'm going to do this but no specifics. He has AGAIN said how much he would love to debate McCain but has time and time again declined to do so. Unfortunately for him however he will not be able to run for much longer and he will not be able to keep giving empty speech's for much longer.

[JITB]

lol who u voting for?

[stephen]

...I also thought that it still sounds too much like all the rest of his speech's ........EMPTY. More of the same I'm going to do this but no specifics...

i'm just curious...what in particular have you heard him say he was going to do, and not give any specifics??? maybe i heard something tonight (most importantly) that you didn't.

[Alan®]

i'm just curious...what in particular have you heard him say he was going to do, and not give any specifics??? maybe i heard something tonight (most importantly) that you didn't.

Come on man pick an issue. Here I'll give you one. He has been talking about it more and more lately but has yet to actually say how he plans to make getting a college education easier. I'm sorry but personally I don't think the government should be paying for our college educations.

[JITB]

Come on man pick an issue. Here I'll give you one. He has been talking about it more and more lately but has yet to actually say how he plans to make getting a college education easier. I'm sorry but personally I don't think the government should be paying for our college educations.

do u have financial aid?

[Alan®]

do u have financial aid?

nope sure don't. What's that got to do with the price of tea in china?

[JITB]

nope sure don't. What's that got to do with the price of tea in china?

so u dont believe in financial aid at all?

[TIGERJC]

do u have financial aid?

DADDY PAYS for it


He talks like he works a real damn job and is actually supporting himself.

[Alan®]

DADDY PAYS for it


He talks like he works a real damn job and is actually supporting himself.

Yes Daddy pays for my tuition. Again someone answer the damn question, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China.

[JITB]

DADDY PAYS for it


He talks like he works a real damn job and is actually supporting himself.

u can tell obama really got them upset!!

im confused who he is tryin to convince.....lol

[stephen]

Come on man pick an issue. Here I'll give you one. He has been talking about it more and more lately but has yet to actually say how he plans to make getting a college education easier. I'm sorry but personally I don't think the government should be paying for our college educations.

i got around to answering a little late, but you answered HALF of the question yourself. it was mentioned tonight, that he'd offer a $4000 tax credit for college students (that's $4000 less that daddy will have to spend on you). i don't recall hearing it tonight, but he did previously talk about increasing educator's salaries...more money grabs the attention of people who are more capable of teaching, but don't feel like they can "live" off of the salary. more capable teachers, increases the value of your education. and when the government pays for your education...THAT'S STILL DADDY'S MONEY....HIS TAX MONEY.

any other issue you need me to clarify???

[Alan®]

i got around to answering a little late, but you answered HALF of the question yourself. it was mentioned tonight, that he'd offer a $4000 tax credit for college students (that's $4000 less that daddy will have to spend on you). i don't recall hearing it tonight, but he did previously talk about increasing educator's salaries...more money grabs the attention of people who are more capable of teaching, but don't feel like they can "live" off of the salary. more capable teachers, increases the value of your education. and when the government pays for your education...THAT'S STILL DADDY'S MONEY....HIS TAX MONEY.

any other issue you need me to clarify???

Yea ok and if I hit my goal of 1/2 million inside of 7 years of graduating college it's going to be my money.

[stephen]

Yea ok and if I hit my goal of 1/2 million inside of 7 years of graduating college it's going to be my money.

well...technically it will....$4000 a year that you can keep in your piggy bank might help you reach that goal. as much as i despise income taxes, i understand the ideology behind it. when you experience a little more in life, you will be grateful when the government is willing to put that money into something you can use. maybe something like...your kids education (they need money for school buildings, paying teachers, providing transportation, etc.)...or maybe you might lose that 1/2 million dollar job and need to file unemployment to make ends meet...the list goes on. the problem is you don't understand what obama is telling you. obama tells you that he'll put your money into things that you need in everyday life. meanwhile, mccain LITERALLY said he's prepared to spend it on 100yr fight with iraq...you tell me...how would you prefer to see your 1/2 million spent???

[4dmin]

Come on man pick an issue. Here I'll give you one. He has been talking about it more and more lately but has yet to actually say how he plans to make getting a college education easier. I'm sorry but personally I don't think the government should be paying for our college educations.

um how do you propose people go to college then? not everyone has mommy/daddy or some other form to pay for further education. my wife and i have over 100k in school loans and if it wasn't for the gov't we couldn't of gotten her through school. my wife is now a doctor of pharmacy.

honestly that was probably one of the dumbest statements i've heard as far as debates. anyone who thinks we need to cut back on US education is a moron. our current education system is the cause of alot of our problems - outsourcing, unemployment, etc obviously you don't get out much b/c most major countries pay for education some have it for free.

[AirMax95]

um how do you propose people go to college then? not everyone has mommy/daddy or some other form to pay for further education. my wife and i have over 100k in school loans and if it wasn't for the gov't we couldn't of gotten her through school. my wife is now a doctor of pharmacy.

honestly that was probably one of the dumbest statements i've heard as far as debates. anyone who thinks we need to cut back on US education is a moron. our current education system is the cause of alot of our problems - outsourcing, unemployment, etc obviously you don't get out much b/c most major countries pay for education some have it for free.

QFT

[Alan®]

um how do you propose people go to college then? not everyone has mommy/daddy or some other form to pay for further education. my wife and i have over 100k in school loans and if it wasn't for the gov't we couldn't of gotten her through school. my wife is now a doctor of pharmacy.

honestly that was probably one of the dumbest statements i've heard as far as debates. anyone who thinks we need to cut back on US education is a moron. our current education system is the cause of alot of our problems - outsourcing, unemployment, etc obviously you don't get out much b/c most major countries pay for education some have it for free.

Wow someone please show me where I said that we need to take away from U.S. education. I believe that there needs to be a huge reform in education but it needs to come in the quality of what we are getting NOT WHAT WE ARE PAYING FOR WHAT WE ARE GETTING. This has beem my point all along sorry if I didn't communicate this well.

[Dirty Octopus™]

well shít... i think financial aid is a blessing to many Americans. Not everyone is as fortunate as YOU and can afford schooling on their own or have the luxury of getting certain loans because they fall in a certain categories.

[Alan®]

well shít... i think financial aid is a blessing to many Americans. Not everyone is as fortunate as YOU and can afford schooling on their own or have the luxury of getting certain loans because they fall in a certain categories.

I also believe finacial aid is a blessing but how many BILLIONS of dollars in scholarship money are awarded each year by private organizations.

[bigdare23]

I also believe finacial aid is a blessing but how many BILLIONS of dollars in scholarship money are awarded each year by private organizations.

But why are they doing it?!? I promise you if it wasn't for tax breaks or to change public opinion of their companies they wouldn't "invest" so much in education.

[Alan®]

But why are they doing it?!? I promise you if it wasn't for tax breaks or to change public opinion of their companies they wouldn't "invest" so much in education.

Who cares though? Hell if I wanted to go to college to better my life do you really think I would care why people were offering up the money? Hell no. I'd figure out a way to get it and take advantage of it.

[bigdare23]

well shít... i think financial aid is a blessing to many Americans. Not everyone is as fortunate as YOU and can afford schooling on their own or have the luxury of getting certain loans because they fall in a certain categories.

I agree 100%


So if your family can't afford to put you in college you shouldn't go?!?

[JITB]

what is your reasoning behind this thread?

[Dirty Octopus™]

what is your reasoning behind this thread?

i think just to start a mess

but its probably going to fireback

[Alan®]

what is your reasoning behind this thread?

Reasoning Ummm I just wanted to see what people thought of it is all.

[bigdare23]

another one of those lame anti-obama threads.... {roll eyes}

[Dirty Octopus™]

okay he's not replying to me in a timely enough fashion. im leaving.

[Zeeb]

**** arguing politics... Its like trying to beat up a wall... Its retarded and no one will agree.

[bigdare23]

**** arguing politics... Its like trying to beat up a wall... Its retarded and no one will agree.

I agree 100%


It's these "Obama is the devil" people. I can count on one hand how many anti-McCain threads that were created this past year, but on the other hand it would take both my hands and feet to count the amount of anti-Obama threads in just one week. These guys really need to quit.

[JITB]

I agree 100%


It's these "Obama is the devil" people. I can count on one hand how many anti-McCain threads that were created this past year, but on the other hand it would take both my hands and feet to count the amount of anti-Obama threads in just one week. These guys really need to quit.

they know more about obama, than they do about their own presidential decision... its outrageous and not even worth commenting.

[bigdare23]

they know more about obama, than they do about their own presidential decision... its outrageous and not even worth commenting.

You're right.

[AirMax95]

they know more about obama, than they do about their own presidential decision... its outrageous and not even worth commenting.

That is why I gave up several threads ago. I think McCain is more empty than Obama if anything. All he is doing is riding the Bush coatail just enough to get by and is more focused on slamming Obama.

To even chop up post on McCain is stupid, just follow the Bush admin and add 2 cool points, lol

[Kevykev]

Debating with a wall indeed

I agree 100%

It's these "Obama is the devil" people. I can count on one hand how many anti-McCain threads that were created this past year, but on the other hand it would take both my hands and feet to count the amount of anti-Obama threads in just one week. These guys really need to quit.

That's why you'll never catch me arguing politics It's like GT versus UGA.

I do laugh at the play on words from Mccain supporters "Let's change the GREATEST nation," "We live in the Greatest nation, join me as we try to change it" LOLOL

I laugh when people HAVE to TWIST words to show a point, it shows "real" strength.

[Clegger]

RedGT do you even see what is going on around you? Do you know how messed up our economy is because of the trillions weve spent (borrowed from other countries) on the war. Plus all of the money that is spent on buy oil from the middle east.

You wonder how obama is going to pay for all of this...

just imagine all of the money we are going to get from not being at war
+
money were saving in the future by not having to rely on the middle east for oil

oil is a short term solution or what I like to call a "band-aid" fix

McCain has his mouth so wrapped around the middle easts tit he cares more about making them happy than he does for more than 100 million middle class americans

If you really think that we are going to get attacked by foreign nations because of obama and not mccain then thats fine, we'll see what happens. But as our economy goes, its in the toilet and 4-8 more years of another bush mirror mexicos pesos are going to be worth more than our dollar

[Alan®]

RedGT do you even see what is going on around you? Do you know how messed up our economy is because of the trillions weve spent (borrowed from other countries) on the war. Plus all of the money that is spent on buy oil from the middle east.

You wonder how obama is going to pay for all of this...

just imagine all of the money we are going to get from not being at war
+
money were saving in the future by not having to rely on the middle east for oil

oil is a short term solution or what I like to call a "band-aid" fix

McCain has his mouth so wrapped around the middle easts tit he cares more about making them happy than he does for more than 100 million middle class americans

If you really think that we are going to get attacked by foreign nations because of obama and not mccain then thats fine, we'll see what happens. But as our economy goes, its in the toilet and 4-8 more years of another bush mirror mexicos pesos are going to be worth more than our dollar

Yea I do see it.

Ok we pull out of Iraq in 16 months as proposed now (BTW because of a surge that worked that Obama voted against because he said it owuld never work ). But then why do 2 of the things that he proposes. 1 being raising taxes on the top 5% and why single out certian industries and raise their taxes? That doesn't make sense to me.

Antoher thing I found funny about obama's speech is that his energy plan almost mirrors that of McCain's energy plan.

Where did I say anything about us getting attacked by foreign nations because of one canidate or another?

[Clegger]

Where did I say anything about us getting attacked by foreign nations because of one canidate or another?

I just threw that in there because i didn't know where you stood on that

a lot of republicans are scared that as soon as obamas in office russia, korea, and iran are going to butt rape us all at once blah blah blah scare tactics i hate them

...anyway

I guess hes just trying to take out some of the greed that america has, and help out the less fortunate

I dunno, I know rich people dont like giving their money away because they worked hard for it (or maybe they didnt)

but seriously if you made 500 billion dollars, dont you have enough money already? are you really going to miss only making 475 billion?

[Alan®]

I just threw that in there because i didn't know where you stood on that

a lot of republicans are scared that as soon as obamas in office russia, korea, and iran are going to butt rape us all at once blah blah blah scare tactics i hate them

...anyway

I guess hes just trying to take out some of the greed that america has, and help out the less fortunate

I dunno, I know rich people dont like giving their money away because they worked hard for it (or maybe they didnt)

but seriously if you made 500 billion dollars, dont you have enough money already? are you really going to miss only making 475 billion?

Dude you hit the nail on the head. It doesn't matter how much money anyone makes. And I don't get why they only want to do it to certian industries I.E. Oil. If you're going to raise taxes on corporations At least do it across the board.

As far as the foreign policy issue. I'd have to go back and look at where he stands now but last I heard I didn't like it.

[Clegger]

As far as the foreign policy issue. I'd have to go back and look at where he stands now but last I heard I didn't like it.

He wants to use diplomacy first, strong action last

basically actually talk like human beings and try to work things out, instead of going head first and blowing our load all over a countrys face

If I may quote bill clinton

aug 27th 2008

"People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power."

[Vteckidd]

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You wonder how obama is going to pay for all of this...

just imagine all of the money we are going to get from not being at war
+

Thats the typical response but you are WRONG. That money is allocated to other places .

[Clegger]

also i forgot to ask... are you part of that top 5%... is that really affecting you and your familys well being?

also isnt there some crazy stat out there about 90% of the money in the US is owned by 2% of the Jews?

[Alan®]

also i forgot to ask... are you part of that top 5%... is that really affecting you and your familys well being?

also isnt there some crazy stat out there about 90% of the money in the US is owned by 2% of the Jews?

I'm not personally but yea my family is.