Obama DNC Speech

[Clegger]

lol mccain give +reps when +reps are due

Check this out

I went to mccains site and it had this video

http://johnmccain.com/

scroll down to see the video

[Alan®]

yea they played that during the speech tonight.

[Tech5]

Obama!!! = Fail!

[MachNU]

This thread in a nutshell!

The photo below captures a disturbing trend that is beginning to affect wildlife in the USA.




Animals that were formerly self-sufficient are now showing signs of belonging to the Democratic Party ...

as they have apparently learned to just sit and wait for the

government to step in and provide for their care and sustenance.

[Kevykev]

This thread in a nutshell!

The photo below captures a disturbing trend that is beginning to affect wildlife in the USA.




Animals that were formerly self-sufficient are now showing signs of belonging to the Democratic Party ...

as they have apparently learned to just sit and wait for the

government to step in and provide for their care and sustenance.

You're down for the cause, did you FedEX your tax relief check back to the GOV. or did you just shred it?

[Vteckidd]

Theres nothing wrong with financial aid, i think it should be there. Hell i was fortunate to have parents that could afford to pay for me to go, and it was $11,000 a semester. NO WAY someone at 18 could pay for that on their own with out help.

Programs like HOPE and government funding for less fortunate familes are great IMO its part of the american dream. Every kid that QUALIFIES should get a chance to get a higher education. Thats what will ultimately make this a better country.

What i dont like is the Universities. I think they charge too much, i think they dont distribute the money equally, i think books are retardedly expensive, and i think too many people are getting RICH beyond imagination.

When the average college kid comes out of school with over $100,000 in debt, something is WRONG. Forget about Harvard or Yale or Princeton or MIT etc, theyll have over $400,000 in debt.

What REDGT cant seem to put into words is what Obama is famous for. Talking, but not plan of action.

He says "ILL END THE WAR IN IRAQ" but yet has NO PLAN TO DO IT and NO IDEA HOW TO DO IT

He says "ILL FIX THE ECONOMY" but has not outlined ANY economic plan nor even come close to explaining how to fix the housing crisis, overseas jobs, immigration etc.

He says "ILL END THE OIL CRISIS" but he is against drilling, and says investing in alternative fuels will work. But has no timeline, no idea, clue how long or how much it will cost.

I mean he says what people want to hear. People are upset about gas prices, economy, and the war. So what he does is say "I WILL FIX ALL THE STUFF GEORGE BUSH SCREWED UP" and people who are mostly ignorant say "YOU KNOW I WANT A GUY THAT WILL CHANGE ALL THIS BAD STUFF IM VOTING FOR HIM!"

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PS I didnt watch the speech cause i refuse to give him any ratings.

//thread

[Alan®]

Theres nothing wrong with financial aid, i think it should be there. Hell i was fortunate to have parents that could afford to pay for me to go, and it was $11,000 a semester. NO WAY someone at 18 could pay for that on their own with out help.

Programs like HOPE and government funding for less fortunate familes are great IMO its part of the american dream. Every kid that QUALIFIES should get a chance to get a higher education. Thats what will ultimately make this a better country.

What i dont like is the Universities. I think they charge too much, i think they dont distribute the money equally, i think books are retardedly expensive, and i think too many people are getting RICH beyond imagination.

When the average college kid comes out of school with over $100,000 in debt, something is WRONG. Forget about Harvard or Yale or Princeton or MIT etc, theyll have over $400,000 in debt.

What REDGT cant seem to put into words is what Obama is famous for. Talking, but not plan of action.

He says "ILL END THE WAR IN IRAQ" but yet has NO PLAN TO DO IT and NO IDEA HOW TO DO IT

He says "ILL FIX THE ECONOMY" but has not outlined ANY economic plan nor even come close to explaining how to fix the housing crisis, overseas jobs, immigration etc.

He says "ILL END THE OIL CRISIS" but he is against drilling, and says investing in alternative fuels will work. But has no timeline, no idea, clue how long or how much it will cost.

I mean he says what people want to hear. People are upset about gas prices, economy, and the war. So what he does is say "I WILL FIX ALL THE STUFF GEORGE BUSH SCREWED UP" and people who are mostly ignorant say "YOU KNOW I WANT A GUY THAT WILL CHANGE ALL THIS BAD STUFF IM VOTING FOR HIM!"

/thread

PS I didnt watch the speech cause i refuse to give him any ratings.

//thread

You pretty much hit on the head. He spoke for ~45 minutes and the first 20-30 minutes it pretty much sounded like all the rest of Obama's speech's. He spent a few minutes talking about what he wants to do gave very little info on HOW.

Let the youngling have his opinion, he's obviously got it all figured out in his early 20's.

To debate with him is useless, much like the rest of the folks here. If in your analysis you cannot even acknowledge how historic Obama's acceptance speech was for this country, all politics aside then obviously you are too jaded to understand what is going on in the world. Even McCain was able to do it..

Ok Tony I have told you before if someone can show me something I haven't seen I'm all for it. I have never claimed to know everything.

You're absolutely right his speech was historic. I apologize for not saying that but for a guy that says that he's not old Washington his speech was classic democrat tactics and to be honest I was expecting more. I was really expecting to hear more on how in this speech.

[Vteckidd]

Im sure people are gonna come in here and say "YOU CAN HONESTLY SAY MCCAIN IS BETTER ???!!!"

Im not happy about either candidate. But i believe the lesser of 2 evils lies with MCCain because at least you know with him what you are getting.

Obama has shown to be nothing but a puppet and a wild card IMO(if thats even possible). GOd help us all if he gets in with a democratic congress.

[blacknightteg]

Im sure people are gonna come in here and say "YOU CAN HONESTLY SAY MCCAIN IS BETTER ???!!!"

Im not happy about either candidate. But i believe the lesser of 2 evils lies with MCCain because at least you know with him what you are getting.

Obama has shown to be nothing but a puppet and a wild card IMO(if thats even possible). GOd help us all if he gets in with a democratic congress.

dude mike how can you criticize him when it seems like you dont give him any credit, **** you just said that you didnt watch the speech so how do you know wtf he is talking about. all im hearing from that speech is that he put to rest any doubts and or negative criticisms that people had. he straight said called out all the nay-sayers on his "lack" of political experience. Regardless, this country needs somethign new when it comes to politics. the old way just doesnt work anymore. we need a 21st century president not a 20th. Obama shows that. i think your contridicting yourself with you criticising someone and you dont watch things he does cuz you 'dont want to give him ratings' you reading things the internet and on the news is all something that is more then likely misconstrued. i get tired of people saying this and that about obama when they apparently dont take into account all the sh!t we have been through the last 8 years. nothing good has come out of these two terms, and mccain ****ing a twin to george w. bush. if this country goes republican one more time. were fuked

[Vteckidd]

dude mike how can you criticize him when it seems like you dont give him any credit, **** you just said that you didnt watch the speech so how do you know wtf he is talking about. all im hearing from that speech is that he put to rest any doubts and or negative criticisms that people had. he straight said called out all the nay-sayers on his "lack" of political experience. Regardless, this country needs somethign new when it comes to politics. the old way just doesnt work anymore. we need a 21st century president not a 20th. Obama shows that. i think your contridicting yourself with you criticising someone and you dont watch things he does cuz you 'dont want to give him ratings' you reading things the internet and on the news is all something that is more then likely misconstrued. i get tired of people saying this and that about obama when they apparently dont take into account all the sh!t we have been through the last 8 years. nothing good has come out of these two terms, and mccain ****ing a twin to george w. bush. if this country goes republican one more time. were fuked

have you watched ANYTHING in the last 8 months>?

Im sure it was all about CHANGE last night wasnt it?

We will not be FU.CKED, we will be in trouble if Obama wins, not mccain. Contrary to the popular belief we are not THAT BADLY off.

[blacknightteg]

have you watched ANYTHING in the last 8 months>?

Im sure it was all about CHANGE last night wasnt it?

We will not be FU.CKED, we will be in trouble if Obama wins, not mccain. Contrary to the popular belief we are not THAT BADLY off.

actaully yes as a matter of fact i have watced thingss for the past 8 months and i have not seen one thing that mccain offers that we have not had over the past 8 years. this country is in need of a differnt aspect instead of the same old shiit. lol and yes were doing pretty damn ****ty as a country, in considerable amounts of debt, the dollar not being worth ****, other countries loosing faith in us as a country so on an so forth. i do not want some guy in the white house who has intentions of repeating most of the same crap that the fag we have in the white house already has been doin.

[AirMax95]

actaully yes as a matter of fact i have watced thingss for the past 8 months and i have not seen one thing that mccain offers that we have not had over the past 8 years. this country is in need of a differnt aspect instead of the same old shiit. lol and yes were doing pretty damn ****ty as a country, in considerable amounts of debt, the dollar not being worth ****, other countries loosing faith in us as a country so on an so forth. i do not want some guy in the white house who has intentions of repeating most of the same crap that the fag we have in the white house already has been doin.

Dude, give up. You are going to get carpal tunnel arguing here. Obama broke the traditional Presidental walk to the White House, he pulled a Kennedy. He actually appeals to people. He has his plans, but noone here fill they are what America needs. They want to kill him too, lol.

go to http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/

read there, then go to http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/

Read and educate yourself. Make your own conclusion and vote.

[tony]

Let the youngling have his opinion, he's obviously got it all figured out in his early 20's.

To debate with him is useless, much like the rest of the folks here. If in your analysis you cannot even acknowledge how historic Obama's acceptance speech was for this country, all politics aside then obviously you are too jaded to understand what is going on in the world. Even McCain was able to do it..

[SPOOLIN]

Let the youngling have his opinion, he's obviously got it all figured out in his early 20's.

To debate with him is useless, much like the rest of the folks here. If in your analysis you cannot even acknowledge how historic Obama's acceptance speech was for this country, all politics aside then obviously you are too jaded to understand what is going on in the world. Even McCain was able to do it..

well that's interesting considering a huge percentage of Obama followers are in their early 20's, i find it really annoying that all these people that are young and put all this support into someone like Obama are really people at this point in time that don't own a home.. Basically, People who own nothing and have nothing to lose on such a gamble for a man that is nothing but out spoken with big charisma. I watched his speech and it was so unrealistic its almost desperate sounding bull crap.

[stephen]

well that's interesting considering a huge percentage of Obama followers are in their early 20's, i find it really annoying that all these people that are young and put all this support into someone like Obama are really people at this point in time that don't own a home.. Basically, People who own nothing and have nothing to lose on such a gamble for a man that is nothing but out spoken with big charisma. I watched his speech and it was so unrealistic its almost desperate sounding bull crap.

before getting annoyed with the early 20's followers...how about looking at it from the other side of the coin. maybe a lot of those followers have watched their parents lose a lot within the past 8 years. owning a home has nothing to do with being able to vote in the first place. ed mcmahon almost lost his home (and he's well past his 20's)...i guess his vote would annoy you too. by the way...donald trump (who had NEVER met mcmahon) is the only reason mcmahon has his home TODAY. i guess trump has now lost EVERYTHING (for helping a struggling American), and mcmahon (who probably USED to be in the top 5%) is just a lazy, useless individual.

[SPOOLIN]

before getting annoyed with the early 20's followers...how about looking at it from the other side of the coin. maybe a lot of those followers have watched their parents lose a lot within the past 8 years. owning a home has nothing to do with being able to vote in the first place. ed mcmahon almost lost his home (and he's well past his 20's)...i guess his vote would annoy you too. by the way...donald trump (who had NEVER met mcmahon) is the only reason mcmahon has his home TODAY. i guess trump has now lost EVERYTHING (for helping a struggling American), and mcmahon (who probably USED to be in the top 5%) is just a lazy, useless individual.

are you serious? No, you can't be, people who lose their belongings for foolish spending do not count at all. Ed admitted that he spent way more than he was receiving and avoided property taxes at the same time. That is not the governments problem. Owning a home has nothing to do with voting, you are correct, but when all these young people are supporting someone who wants to take from the rich to pay for the poor and they own nothing as it stands then they have no idea what they are doing and are just supporting the big talker that is "change".
I was disgusted with the part of the speech where he talked about how the current government leaves you completely on your own which i strongly disagree anyway in that being the case. But, in my opinion, you ARE on your own and life is what you make it, the government shouldn't be there to give you everything outside of an education which is STILL NOT HARD TO GET, or safety in your community. GET A CLUE DUDE.

[tony]

are you serious? No, you can't be, people who lose their belongings for foolish spending do not count at all. Ed admitted that he spent way more than he was receiving and avoided property taxes at the same time. That is not the governments problem. Owning a home has nothing to do with voting, you are correct, but when all these young people are supporting someone who wants to take from the rich to pay for the poor and they own nothing as it stands then they have no idea what they are doing and are just supporting the big talker that is "change".
I was disgusted with the part of the speech where he talked about how the current government leaves you completely on your own which i strongly disagree anyway in that being the case. But, in my opinion, you ARE on your own and life is what you make it, the government shouldn't be there to give you everything outside of an education which is STILL NOT HARD TO GET, or safety in your community. GET A CLUE DUDE.

He also talked about personal responsibility but I guess you missed that..

[stephen]

are you serious? No, you can't be, people who lose their belongings for foolish spending do not count at all. Ed admitted that he spent way more than he was receiving and avoided property taxes at the same time. That is not the governments problem. Owning a home has nothing to do with voting, you are correct, but when all these young people are supporting someone who wants to take from the rich to pay for the poor and they own nothing as it stands then they have no idea what they are doing and are just supporting the big talker that is "change".
I was disgusted with the part of the speech where he talked about how the current government leaves you completely on your own which i strongly disagree anyway in that being the case. But, in my opinion, you ARE on your own and life is what you make it, the government shouldn't be there to give you everything outside of an education which is STILL NOT HARD TO GET, or safety in your community. GET A CLUE DUDE.

yes, i am serious. he did say that he had bad spending habits, but there were also a number of other factors that played a role. dude had health issues wich wouldn't allow him to work, and i'm sure those issues also cost him LOTS of money (much like a lot of other Americans). lol, it's funny...you tell me to get a clue, but the SAME THINGS you say the government should give you are the SAME THINGS that obama is talking about.

you mccain supporters act like obama is out to only help the people who won't help themselves. he proposed tax breaks for lower/average income families...NEWS FLASH...you can't receive a tax break if you don't have a JOB. he proposed to tax the hell out of people who out-source american jobs in order to bring those jobs back to the american people. he proposed to financially assist the people who are students, educators, public safety personnel. he proposed to make it easier for EVERYONE to get healthcare...something even the rich need. the list goes on...but no where in his policies does he say "i'm taking from the hardworking rich, and helping the people who don't help themselves." lol, you tell me i don't have a clue...and yet, you're willing to vote for a man who's vice president is going to be someone whose biggest political proposals have revolved around the right to kill bears and wolves...goodluck with those 2. God forbid we actually end up with someone like her running our country.

[Alan®]

are you serious? No, you can't be, people who lose their belongings for foolish spending do not count at all. Ed admitted that he spent way more than he was receiving and avoided property taxes at the same time. That is not the governments problem. Owning a home has nothing to do with voting, you are correct, but when all these young people are supporting someone who wants to take from the rich to pay for the poor and they own nothing as it stands then they have no idea what they are doing and are just supporting the big talker that is "change".
I was disgusted with the part of the speech where he talked about how the current government leaves you completely on your own which i strongly disagree anyway in that being the case. But, in my opinion, you ARE on your own and life is what you make it, the government shouldn't be there to give you everything outside of an education which is STILL NOT HARD TO GET, or safety in your community. GET A CLUE DUDE.

I agree with what you said. i'm one of those young guys that doesn't currently own anything but I still don't see the right of the government to take away from someone who has and give it to someone who doesn't.

To adress the other part of your post that I bolded. People seem to forget this one line in the Declaration of Independence:

"Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness" and I think that's a big problem in this country. It's like Obama said in his speech about how one of McCain's ecconomic advisor's said that this country has become one of whiners. Obama denounced that but in reality I'm sorry it's true. People in this country want the government to do more for them yet to me it seems like no one is doing anymore for themselves than they were doing 8 years ago when Clinton left office. I said it earlier and I'll sait again. People have forgotten where to draw the line between personal responsibility and Government duty.

[Lizbiz101]

I loved watching history in the making, he is so smart. But they could have cut back on the camera shooting people crying every 2 minutes.

[blacknightteg]

amen paul!

[4dmin]

amen paul!

i just don't understand how dumb people can be... this thread sounds like a bad episode of Silver Spoons and RedGT is Ricky Schroder. this is obviously why we need better education.

[AirMax95]

Our education system in Ga is piss poor alone, lol. For the smart kids, and average kids, who are in bad schools (i.e., Clayton county, dumb admins, lazy teachers, etc.) college is their savior! Tuition is going up every year and its not easy to finance it. If you really want to change the country, investing $$ in education is a top priority.

[blacknightteg]

exactly

[Maniacc]

I heard it on the radio this morning. I was actually impressed, very well executed imo.

[candy2082002]

I believe that IF you really want to make it in this world you just have to do it and not wait on your government to "save" you. I don't think that the government needs to help "struggling americans" If you can't help yourself.......too bad for you. You shouldn't be rewarded for making bad choices in life. People that have money earned it one way or another and shouldn't be looked down at. I love when these rich politicians look down at their own kind. I am NO where near rich, my husband and I struggle, but we get by without help from anyone else. I do however think financial aid is a great thing, but that's just me. I don't know how Obama is going to help "Struggling Americans", but I would really like to hear how he plans on doing it.

[blacknightteg]

this current administration has done NOTHING for the american people but put them into debt. bush took the surplus that clinton had created and flushed it so far down the toilet. this administration has paid no attention to things goin on at home and focused more on a failing war then anything. how can you have a leader that doesnt admit that there is problems going on at home and wont do **** about it. i would rather have someone in office take inicitive(sp?) and get this country back on in the position we are supposed to be as a world power. we are completely disrespected as a nation now. bush had NO foriegn policy skills what so ever. that man is a complete moran. McCain is going to follow many of the same tactics bush did and **** us over. i dont give a damn if he's been in washing ton for almost 30 years. who cares, i dont want some old fart in the office. this country is turning into something different, a young based society. baby boomers are dwindling and having somene that appeals to them instead of the future of our country is completely rediculous.

[VIP Style]

wtf do you mean empty, and wtf do you mean garbage, well i tell you what, go ahead and put another republican in the house and you will really see some garbage.

Post all comments and thoughts in here.

My overall impression. Much like all the analysts are saying I think that the speach was mostly old style democratic garbage. I also thought that it still sounds too much like all the rest of his speech's ........EMPTY. More of the same I'm going to do this but no specifics. He has AGAIN said how much he would love to debate McCain but has time and time again declined to do so. Unfortunately for him however he will not be able to run for much longer and he will not be able to keep giving empty speech's for much longer.

[spicyMSP]

All i have to say is you guys should just take a few minutes to listen to this
youtube clip called The 2nd American Revolution

[Vteckidd]

oh im not saying that his campaign hasnt encouraged people to vote. It has and for that i commend him.

But lets face it

1) If he wins, its because he pursuaded a bunch of people for the wrong reasons

2) If he loses it will be because he was black (at least thats what people will say).

And im sorry based on the polling data and based on the information accumulated by Gallop and others, the MAJORITY of BLACK VOTERS are voting for OBAMA because HE IS BLACK. Most of them cant even tell you where he was born, where he was a senator , etc.

But im willing to say that the majority of people that are voting for him dont know much about him, they just dont want Mccain, thats it.

[BobbyFresco]

oh im not saying that his campaign hasnt encouraged people to vote. It has and for that i commend him.

But lets face it

1) If he wins, its because he pursuaded a bunch of people for the wrong reasons

2) If he loses it will be because he was black (at least thats what people will say).

And im sorry based on the polling data and based on the information accumulated by Gallop and others, the MAJORITY of BLACK VOTERS are voting for OBAMA because HE IS BLACK. Most of them cant even tell you where he was born, where he was a senator , etc.

But im willing to say that the majority of people that are voting for him dont know much about him, they just dont want Mccain, thats it.

At the end of the day, who cares what who's reason for voting is.
You think everyone that is voting for Mccsame knows his agenda?
Or where he was born, his life history, or who the hell he really is?
Give me a fukin break.

Just as many people are voting for the old fart simply because he's white or simply because he's a Republican or another other number of asinine reasons.

The right to vote gives each individual the power to vote for whoever for whatever reason they see fit. That's the beauty of America and being an American. Don't like it? Tough titty.

[AirMax95]

At the end of the day, who cares what who's reason for voting is.
You think everyone that is voting for Mccsame knows his agenda?
Or where he was born, his life history, or who the hell he really is?
Give me a fukin break.

Just as many people are voting for the old fart simply because he's white or simply because he's a Republican or another other number of asinine reasons.

The right to vote gives each individual the power to vote for whoever for whatever reason they see fit. That's the beauty of America and being an American. Don't like it? Tough titty.

Yep.......exactly!

This race is no longer poilitcal, rather a verbal assault between the candidates. I feel that a very large proportion of voter do not each candidates views on the various topics that they should.

*Now watch someone post behind me and say "its more black folk that don't know than white"*

Carry on....

[joseph dale]

oh im not saying that his campaign hasnt encouraged people to vote. It has and for that i commend him.

But lets face it

1) If he wins, its because he pursuaded a bunch of people for the wrong reasons

2) If he loses it will be because he was black (at least thats what people will say).

And im sorry based on the polling data and based on the information accumulated by Gallop and others, the MAJORITY of BLACK VOTERS are voting for OBAMA because HE IS BLACK. Most of them cant even tell you where he was born, where he was a senator , etc.

But im willing to say that the majority of people that are voting for him dont know much about him, they just dont want Mccain, thats it.

lol its no different with the mcCain supposrters, who seem to know more about obama than mcCain. You cant seperate McCains policies from anything that we have now.. and its not working. i rarely see or read McCain supporters that have EVER, posted a reason why they want mCCain. its always whats wrong with Obama.... You all spend soo much time analysing Obama suppporters, and you fail to be following your own choice. its as if Republicans spend all their energy telling democrats what they should and should not like about someone... Im like focus on your choice.. and leave the democrats alone.

[BobbyFresco]

lol its no different with the mcCain supposrters, who seem to know more about obama than mcCain. You cant seperate McCains policies from anything that we have now.. and its not working. i rarely see or read McCain supporters that have EVER, posted a reason why they want mCCain. its always whats wrong with Obama.... You all spend soo much time analysing Obama suppporters, and you fail to be following your own choice. its as if Republicans spend all their energy telling democrats what they should and should not like about someone... Im like focus on your choice.. and leave the democrats alone.

Exactly. The only focus that Mccain's campaign has had as of late is to try to discredit Obama. Not a campaign based on a real platform and goals and resolutions, just 3rd grade mud slinging.

This is quite honestly IMO, the worst election year I have seen since I've been personally aware of the political process.

If the man mentions he's black in any context, he is using the "race card".
They attack him because he'd rather deal with countries we have conflict with through diplomacy as opposed to engaging in other costly wars
They attack his family i.e wife and half brother.
How many of us have half siblings that we don't have any real interaction with? Are all of you financially responsible for your HALF siblings or even your full blooded brothers and sisters?
And all because Mccsame could not remember how many homes he owns. That's who you want to lead this country? A man that has no idea of how the average American lives?
They bring up past associations with people that Obama has long since distanced himself from.


So my question is, when has Mccsame had time to focus on the real issues, those that affect us and will affect our children?

[stephen]

...And im sorry based on the polling data and based on the information accumulated by Gallop and others, the MAJORITY of BLACK VOTERS are voting for OBAMA because HE IS BLACK. Most of them cant even tell you where he was born, where he was a senator , etc.

But im willing to say that the majority of people that are voting for him dont know much about him, they just dont want Mccain, thats it.

i wonder how much of this "information" accumulated by gallop and others, includes the people who AREN'T voting for him because HE IS BLACK.... i mean damn, look at all of the people who are now voting for mccain because hilary lost, with no justifiable reason.

[The_ CaneCorso]

I saw a tag the other day and it said IH8OBAMA, Thats kinda xtreme