Obama DNC Speech

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Originally Posted by redGT

Yea ok and if I hit my goal of 1/2 million inside of 7 years of graduating college it's going to be my money.

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well...technically it will....$4000 a year that you can keep in your piggy bank might help you reach that goal. as much as i despise income taxes, i understand the ideology behind it. when you experience a little more in life, you will be grateful when the government is willing to put that money into something you can use. maybe something like...your kids education (they need money for school buildings, paying teachers, providing transportation, etc.)...or maybe you might lose that 1/2 million dollar job and need to file unemployment to make ends meet...the list goes on. the problem is you don't understand what obama is telling you. obama tells you that he'll put your money into things that you need in everyday life. meanwhile, mccain LITERALLY said he's prepared to spend it on 100yr fight with iraq...you tell me...how would you prefer to see your 1/2 million spent???

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Originally Posted by stephen

well...technically it will....$4000 a year that you can keep in your piggy bank might help you reach that goal. as much as i despise income taxes, i understand the ideology behind it. when you experience a little more in life, you will be grateful when the government is willing to put that money into something you can use. maybe something like...your kids education (they need money for school buildings, paying teachers, providing transportation, etc.)...or maybe you might lose that 1/2 million dollar job and need to file unemployment to make ends meet...the list goes on. the problem is you don't understand what obama is telling you. obama tells you that he'll put your money into things that you need in everyday life. meanwhile, mccain LITERALLY said he's prepared to spend it on 100yr fight with iraq...you tell me...how would you prefer to see your 1/2 million spent???

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Don't waste your time. They will never get the point.

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Originally Posted by stephen

well...technically it will....$4000 a year that you can keep in your piggy bank might help you reach that goal. as much as i despise income taxes, i understand the ideology behind it. when you experience a little more in life, you will be grateful when the government is willing to put that money into something you can use. maybe something like...your kids education (they need money for school buildings, paying teachers, providing transportation, etc.)...or maybe you might lose that 1/2 million dollar job and need to file unemployment to make ends meet...the list goes on. the problem is you don't understand what obama is telling you. obama tells you that he'll put your money into things that you need in everyday life. meanwhile, mccain LITERALLY said he's prepared to spend it on 100yr fight with iraq...you tell me...how would you prefer to see your 1/2 million spent???

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I always love how statements like these are taken out of context and twisted. That is neither here nor there.

This is my point I guess really is that his DNC speech seemed like more of the same and to be honest in most of his speeches like I said before he hasn't said much except "he wants to help the working american". Which to me I'm sorry but I think anyone who has an actual job paying a **** ton of money is still a working american.

RedGT do you even see what is going on around you? Do you know how messed up our economy is because of the trillions weve spent (borrowed from other countries) on the war. Plus all of the money that is spent on buy oil from the middle east.

You wonder how obama is going to pay for all of this...

just imagine all of the money we are going to get from not being at war
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money were saving in the future by not having to rely on the middle east for oil

oil is a short term solution or what I like to call a "band-aid" fix

McCain has his mouth so wrapped around the middle easts tit he cares more about making them happy than he does for more than 100 million middle class americans

If you really think that we are going to get attacked by foreign nations because of obama and not mccain then thats fine, we'll see what happens. But as our economy goes, its in the toilet and 4-8 more years of another bush mirror mexicos pesos are going to be worth more than our dollar

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Originally Posted by Clegger

RedGT do you even see what is going on around you? Do you know how messed up our economy is because of the trillions weve spent (borrowed from other countries) on the war. Plus all of the money that is spent on buy oil from the middle east.

You wonder how obama is going to pay for all of this...

just imagine all of the money we are going to get from not being at war
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money were saving in the future by not having to rely on the middle east for oil

oil is a short term solution or what I like to call a "band-aid" fix

McCain has his mouth so wrapped around the middle easts tit he cares more about making them happy than he does for more than 100 million middle class americans

If you really think that we are going to get attacked by foreign nations because of obama and not mccain then thats fine, we'll see what happens. But as our economy goes, its in the toilet and 4-8 more years of another bush mirror mexicos pesos are going to be worth more than our dollar

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Yea I do see it.

Ok we pull out of Iraq in 16 months as proposed now (BTW because of a surge that worked that Obama voted against because he said it owuld never work :rolleyes: ). But then why do 2 of the things that he proposes. 1 being raising taxes on the top 5% and why single out certian industries and raise their taxes? That doesn't make sense to me.

Antoher thing I found funny about obama's speech is that his energy plan almost mirrors that of McCain's energy plan.

Where did I say anything about us getting attacked by foreign nations because of one canidate or another? :thinking:

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Originally Posted by redGT

Where did I say anything about us getting attacked by foreign nations because of one canidate or another? :thinking:

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I just threw that in there because i didn't know where you stood on that

a lot of republicans are scared that as soon as obamas in office russia, korea, and iran are going to butt rape us all at once blah blah blah scare tactics i hate them

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I guess hes just trying to take out some of the greed that america has, and help out the less fortunate

I dunno, I know rich people dont like giving their money away because they worked hard for it (or maybe they didnt)

but seriously if you made 500 billion dollars, dont you have enough money already? are you really going to miss only making 475 billion?

also i forgot to ask... are you part of that top 5%... is that really affecting you and your familys well being?

also isnt there some crazy stat out there about 90% of the money in the US is owned by 2% of the Jews?

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Originally Posted by redGT

I always love how statements like these are taken out of context and twisted. That is neither here nor there.

This is my point I guess really is that his DNC speech seemed like more of the same and to be honest in most of his speeches like I said before he hasn't said much except "he wants to help the working american". Which to me I'm sorry but I think anyone who has an actual job paying a **** ton of money is still a working american.

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so you tell me...what context it supposed to be in???

your opinion in general just frustrates me, because it has only one basis "when i get my 1/2 million dollars." YOU STILL HAVE TO GET TO THAT POINT. you're still going to have to go out there and find that career job after school...and with the current political ideas, it's probably like finding a needle in a haystack.

trust me man, i directly relate to a lot of things he speaks about (in relation to my future goals). i went to college...and was fortunate enough to earn a GOVERNMENT scholarship. i graduated, went out trying to find a job...what did i find??? people telling me my education was fine, but i had no experience, and companies laying people off in my field. i get a job outside of my field (starting at $10.50hr, working 44+ hours a week), and build up LOTS of experience in it (managed to get a few certifications)...even became a manager. then what...i get laid off and replaced by 2 mexican dudes WITHOUTH WARNING...lol, on a monday morning at that. i still have to survive, and if the government has to take from people like my boss in order to help me...then i'm all for it.

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Originally Posted by Clegger

I just threw that in there because i didn't know where you stood on that

a lot of republicans are scared that as soon as obamas in office russia, korea, and iran are going to butt rape us all at once blah blah blah scare tactics i hate them

...anyway

I guess hes just trying to take out some of the greed that america has, and help out the less fortunate

I dunno, I know rich people dont like giving their money away because they worked hard for it (or maybe they didnt)

but seriously if you made 500 billion dollars, dont you have enough money already? are you really going to miss only making 475 billion?

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Dude you hit the nail on the head. It doesn't matter how much money anyone makes. And I don't get why they only want to do it to certian industries I.E. Oil. If you're going to raise taxes on corporations At least do it across the board.

As far as the foreign policy issue. I'd have to go back and look at where he stands now but last I heard I didn't like it. :no:

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Originally Posted by Clegger

also i forgot to ask... are you part of that top 5%... is that really affecting you and your familys well being?

also isnt there some crazy stat out there about 90% of the money in the US is owned by 2% of the Jews?

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I'm not personally but yea my family is.

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Originally Posted by redGT

As far as the foreign policy issue. I'd have to go back and look at where he stands now but last I heard I didn't like it. :no:

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He wants to use diplomacy first, strong action last

basically actually talk like human beings and try to work things out, instead of going head first and blowing our load all over a countrys face

If I may quote bill clinton

aug 27th 2008

"People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power."

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Originally Posted by stephen

so you tell me...what context it supposed to be in???

your opinion in general just frustrates me, because it has only one basis "when i get my 1/2 million dollars." YOU STILL HAVE TO GET TO THAT POINT. you're still going to have to go out there and find that career job after school...and with the current political ideas, it's probably like finding a needle in a haystack.

trust me man, i directly relate to a lot of things he speaks about (in relation to my future goals). i went to college...and was fortunate enough to earn a GOVERNMENT scholarship. i graduated, went out trying to find a job...what did i find??? people telling me my education was fine, but i had no experience, and companies laying people off in my field. i get a job outside of my field (starting at $10.50hr, working 44+ hours a week), and build up LOTS of experience in it (managed to get a few certifications)...even became a manager. then what...i get laid off and replaced by 2 mexican dudes WITHOUTH WARNING...lol, on a monday morning at that. i still have to survive, and if the government has to take from people like my boss in order to help me...then i'm all for it.

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The point he was making as I recalled was that we would stay until the job was finished.

Sorry if my opinons are frustrating but I'm not generally in favor of taking someone's money it doesn't even half to be mine and giving itt to someone else.

As far as that needle in a haystack. I'm going into the security field and the money's there you just gotta know how to get it. Obviously I got a long way to go but for now I'm taking it one day at a time and keeping my eye on the prize :goodjob: .

lol mccain give +reps when +reps are due

Check this out

I went to mccains site and it had this video

http://johnmccain.com/

scroll down to see the video

yea they played that during the speech tonight.

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Originally Posted by redGT

The point he was making as I recalled was that we would stay until the job was finished.

Sorry if my opinons are frustrating but I'm not generally in favor of taking someone's money it doesn't even half to be mine and giving itt to someone else.

As far as that needle in a haystack. I'm going into the security field and the money's there you just gotta know how to get it. Obviously I got a long way to go but for now I'm taking it one day at a time and keeping my eye on the prize :goodjob: .

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i guess i looked at it wrong because i feel like the job should've been finished, or atleast stayed where it started. the country can't afford to fund it for a 100 years...whether the job gets done then or not.

as far as taking a chunk of the rich folks money...well it's not all bad. what options do you think people CHOOSE when they hit rock bottom? i'm sure there's a large percentage that result to "criminal" activity. maybe they'll rob that millionaire, and hurt their family in the process. maybe they'll be the dope dealer that sells the millionaire's kids meth, heroine, crack, etc. if you can understand mccain spending your tax money on a fight across the ocean, then you should be able to understand why obama feels he NEEDS the help of the fortunate, to support the HONEST less fortunate.

Obama!!! = Fail!

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Originally Posted by stephen

i guess i looked at it wrong because i feel like the job should've been finished, or atleast stayed where it started. the country can't afford to fund it for a 100 years...whether the job gets done then or not.

as far as taking a chunk of the rich folks money...well it's not all bad. what options do you think people CHOOSE when they hit rock bottom? i'm sure there's a large percentage that result to "criminal" activity. maybe they'll rob that millionaire, and hurt their family in the process. maybe they'll be the dope dealer that sells the millionaire's kids meth, heroine, crack, etc. if you can understand mccain spending your tax money on a fight across the ocean, then you should be able to understand why obama feels he NEEDS the help of the fortunate, to support the HONEST less fortunate.

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I think that's a severly flawed argument.

First off if you're kids are doing drugs then something somewhere didn't click as they were growing up.

I guess this is just me but if you stumble to the bottom and as you put it "result" to criminal activity to me that sounds like a personal problem that no ammount of government money can fix nor should it fix.

I guess the ultimate question is at what point where do you draw the line between personal responsibility and government intervention.

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Originally Posted by redGT

I think that's a severly flawed argument.

First off if you're kids are doing drugs then something somewhere didn't click as they were growing up.

I guess this is just me but if you stumble to the bottom and as you put it "result" to criminal activity to me that sounds like a personal problem that no ammount of government money can fix nor should it fix.

I guess the ultimate question is at what point where do you draw the line between personal responsibility and government intervention.

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flawed...call it what you want, but it's the truth. just go study a few crime vs. poverty charts, and the numbers speak for themselves. you can call it a personal issue all you want, the fact of the matter is those situations exist. ANY form of intervention is still a positive thing for ANYTHING that threatens the stability of society. regardless, that's only one aspect of the the entire tax issue. the bottom line, obama's ideas have greater positive impacts on my life. claiming that the dude hasn't "explained" how he wants to implement changes is just absolute bologna though.

good luck with the school/career thing...it can get tough. maybe in 7yrs we'll both be at 1/2 million bucks.

This thread in a nutshell!

The photo below captures a disturbing trend that is beginning to affect wildlife in the USA.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1607/bearkn4.png


Animals that were formerly self-sufficient are now showing signs of belonging to the Democratic Party ...

as they have apparently learned to just sit and wait for the

government to step in and provide for their care and sustenance.

Debating with a wall indeed

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Originally Posted by bigdare23

I agree 100%

It's these "Obama is the devil" people. I can count on one hand how many anti-McCain threads that were created this past year, but on the other hand it would take both my hands and feet to count the amount of anti-Obama threads in just one week. These guys really need to quit.

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That's why you'll never catch me arguing politics :D It's like GT versus UGA.

I do laugh at the play on words from Mccain supporters "Let's change the GREATEST nation," "We live in the Greatest nation, join me as we try to change it" LOLOL :lmfao:

I laugh when people HAVE to TWIST words to show a point, it shows "real" strength. :lmfao:

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Originally Posted by TransAxle

This thread in a nutshell!

The photo below captures a disturbing trend that is beginning to affect wildlife in the USA.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1607/bearkn4.png


Animals that were formerly self-sufficient are now showing signs of belonging to the Democratic Party ...

as they have apparently learned to just sit and wait for the

government to step in and provide for their care and sustenance.

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You're down for the cause, did you FedEX your tax relief check back to the GOV. or did you just shred it?

:lmfao:

Theres nothing wrong with financial aid, i think it should be there. Hell i was fortunate to have parents that could afford to pay for me to go, and it was $11,000 a semester. NO WAY someone at 18 could pay for that on their own with out help.

Programs like HOPE and government funding for less fortunate familes are great IMO its part of the american dream. Every kid that QUALIFIES should get a chance to get a higher education. Thats what will ultimately make this a better country.

What i dont like is the Universities. I think they charge too much, i think they dont distribute the money equally, i think books are retardedly expensive, and i think too many people are getting RICH beyond imagination.

When the average college kid comes out of school with over $100,000 in debt, something is WRONG. Forget about Harvard or Yale or Princeton or MIT etc, theyll have over $400,000 in debt.

What REDGT cant seem to put into words is what Obama is famous for. Talking, but not plan of action.

He says "ILL END THE WAR IN IRAQ" but yet has NO PLAN TO DO IT and NO IDEA HOW TO DO IT

He says "ILL FIX THE ECONOMY" but has not outlined ANY economic plan nor even come close to explaining how to fix the housing crisis, overseas jobs, immigration etc.

He says "ILL END THE OIL CRISIS" but he is against drilling, and says investing in alternative fuels will work. But has no timeline, no idea, clue how long or how much it will cost.

I mean he says what people want to hear. People are upset about gas prices, economy, and the war. So what he does is say "I WILL FIX ALL THE STUFF GEORGE BUSH SCREWED UP" and people who are mostly ignorant say "YOU KNOW I WANT A GUY THAT WILL CHANGE ALL THIS BAD STUFF IM VOTING FOR HIM!"

/thread

PS I didnt watch the speech cause i refuse to give him any ratings.

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Originally Posted by Clegger

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You wonder how obama is going to pay for all of this...

just imagine all of the money we are going to get from not being at war
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Thats the typical response but you are WRONG. That money is allocated to other places .

Im sure people are gonna come in here and say "YOU CAN HONESTLY SAY MCCAIN IS BETTER ???!!!"

Im not happy about either candidate. But i believe the lesser of 2 evils lies with MCCain because at least you know with him what you are getting.

Obama has shown to be nothing but a puppet and a wild card IMO(if thats even possible). GOd help us all if he gets in with a democratic congress.

Let the youngling have his opinion, he's obviously got it all figured out in his early 20's.

To debate with him is useless, much like the rest of the folks here. If in your analysis you cannot even acknowledge how historic Obama's acceptance speech was for this country, all politics aside then obviously you are too jaded to understand what is going on in the world. Even McCain was able to do it..

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Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD

Im sure people are gonna come in here and say "YOU CAN HONESTLY SAY MCCAIN IS BETTER ???!!!"

Im not happy about either candidate. But i believe the lesser of 2 evils lies with MCCain because at least you know with him what you are getting.

Obama has shown to be nothing but a puppet and a wild card IMO(if thats even possible). GOd help us all if he gets in with a democratic congress.

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dude mike how can you criticize him when it seems like you dont give him any credit, **** you just said that you didnt watch the speech so how do you know wtf he is talking about. all im hearing from that speech is that he put to rest any doubts and or negative criticisms that people had. he straight said called out all the nay-sayers on his "lack" of political experience. Regardless, this country needs somethign new when it comes to politics. the old way just doesnt work anymore. we need a 21st century president not a 20th. Obama shows that. i think your contridicting yourself with you criticising someone and you dont watch things he does cuz you 'dont want to give him ratings' you reading things the internet and on the news is all something that is more then likely misconstrued. i get tired of people saying this and that about obama when they apparently dont take into account all the sh!t we have been through the last 8 years. nothing good has come out of these two terms, and mccain ****ing a twin to george w. bush. if this country goes republican one more time. were fuked

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Originally Posted by blacknightteg

dude mike how can you criticize him when it seems like you dont give him any credit, **** you just said that you didnt watch the speech so how do you know wtf he is talking about. all im hearing from that speech is that he put to rest any doubts and or negative criticisms that people had. he straight said called out all the nay-sayers on his "lack" of political experience. Regardless, this country needs somethign new when it comes to politics. the old way just doesnt work anymore. we need a 21st century president not a 20th. Obama shows that. i think your contridicting yourself with you criticising someone and you dont watch things he does cuz you 'dont want to give him ratings' you reading things the internet and on the news is all something that is more then likely misconstrued. i get tired of people saying this and that about obama when they apparently dont take into account all the sh!t we have been through the last 8 years. nothing good has come out of these two terms, and mccain ****ing a twin to george w. bush. if this country goes republican one more time. were fuked

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have you watched ANYTHING in the last 8 months>?

Im sure it was all about CHANGE last night wasnt it?

We will not be FU.CKED, we will be in trouble if Obama wins, not mccain. Contrary to the popular belief we are not THAT BADLY off.

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Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD

have you watched ANYTHING in the last 8 months>?

Im sure it was all about CHANGE last night wasnt it?

We will not be FU.CKED, we will be in trouble if Obama wins, not mccain. Contrary to the popular belief we are not THAT BADLY off.

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actaully yes as a matter of fact i have watced thingss for the past 8 months and i have not seen one thing that mccain offers that we have not had over the past 8 years. this country is in need of a differnt aspect instead of the same old shiit. lol and yes were doing pretty damn ****ty as a country, in considerable amounts of debt, the dollar not being worth ****, other countries loosing faith in us as a country so on an so forth. i do not want some guy in the white house who has intentions of repeating most of the same crap that the fag we have in the white house already has been doin.

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Originally Posted by JITB

they know more about obama, than they do about their own presidential decision... its outrageous and not even worth commenting.

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That is why I gave up several threads ago. I think McCain is more empty than Obama if anything. All he is doing is riding the Bush coatail just enough to get by and is more focused on slamming Obama.

To even chop up post on McCain is stupid, just follow the Bush admin and add 2 cool points, lol :lmfao:

I loved watching history in the making, he is so smart. But they could have cut back on the camera shooting people crying every 2 minutes.

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Originally Posted by redGT

Come on man pick an issue. Here I'll give you one. He has been talking about it more and more lately but has yet to actually say how he plans to make getting a college education easier. I'm sorry but personally I don't think the government should be paying for our college educations.

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um how do you propose people go to college then? not everyone has mommy/daddy or some other form to pay for further education. my wife and i have over 100k in school loans and if it wasn't for the gov't we couldn't of gotten her through school. my wife is now a doctor of pharmacy.

honestly that was probably one of the dumbest statements i've heard as far as debates. anyone who thinks we need to cut back on US education is a moron. our current education system is the cause of alot of our problems - outsourcing, unemployment, etc obviously you don't get out much b/c most major countries pay for education some have it for free.

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Originally Posted by blacknightteg

actaully yes as a matter of fact i have watced thingss for the past 8 months and i have not seen one thing that mccain offers that we have not had over the past 8 years. this country is in need of a differnt aspect instead of the same old shiit. lol and yes were doing pretty damn ****ty as a country, in considerable amounts of debt, the dollar not being worth ****, other countries loosing faith in us as a country so on an so forth. i do not want some guy in the white house who has intentions of repeating most of the same crap that the fag we have in the white house already has been doin.

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Dude, give up. You are going to get carpal tunnel arguing here. Obama broke the traditional Presidental walk to the White House, he pulled a Kennedy. He actually appeals to people. He has his plans, but noone here fill they are what America needs. They want to kill him too, lol.

go to http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/

read there, then go to http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/

Read and educate yourself. Make your own conclusion and vote.

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Originally Posted by admin

um how do you propose people go to college then? not everyone has mommy/daddy or some other form to pay for further education. my wife and i have over 100k in school loans and if it wasn't for the gov't we couldn't of gotten her through school. my wife is now a doctor of pharmacy.

honestly that was probably one of the dumbest statements i've heard as far as debates. anyone who thinks we need to cut back on US education is a moron. our current education system is the cause of alot of our problems - outsourcing, unemployment, etc obviously you don't get out much b/c most major countries pay for education some have it for free.

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QFT :yes:

amen paul!

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Originally Posted by blacknightteg

amen paul!

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i just don't understand how dumb people can be... this thread sounds like a bad episode of Silver Spoons and RedGT is Ricky Schroder. this is obviously why we need better education.


http://www.ultimatedisney.com/images...poons1-cov.jpg

Our education system in Ga is piss poor alone, lol. For the smart kids, and average kids, who are in bad schools (i.e., Clayton county, dumb admins, lazy teachers, etc.) college is their savior! Tuition is going up every year and its not easy to finance it. If you really want to change the country, investing $$ in education is a top priority.

exactly

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Originally Posted by admin

um how do you propose people go to college then? not everyone has mommy/daddy or some other form to pay for further education. my wife and i have over 100k in school loans and if it wasn't for the gov't we couldn't of gotten her through school. my wife is now a doctor of pharmacy.

honestly that was probably one of the dumbest statements i've heard as far as debates. anyone who thinks we need to cut back on US education is a moron. our current education system is the cause of alot of our problems - outsourcing, unemployment, etc obviously you don't get out much b/c most major countries pay for education some have it for free.

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Wow someone please show me where I said that we need to take away from U.S. education. I believe that there needs to be a huge reform in education but it needs to come in the quality of what we are getting NOT WHAT WE ARE PAYING FOR WHAT WE ARE GETTING. This has beem my point all along sorry if I didn't communicate this well.

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Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD

Theres nothing wrong with financial aid, i think it should be there. Hell i was fortunate to have parents that could afford to pay for me to go, and it was $11,000 a semester. NO WAY someone at 18 could pay for that on their own with out help.

Programs like HOPE and government funding for less fortunate familes are great IMO its part of the american dream. Every kid that QUALIFIES should get a chance to get a higher education. Thats what will ultimately make this a better country.

What i dont like is the Universities. I think they charge too much, i think they dont distribute the money equally, i think books are retardedly expensive, and i think too many people are getting RICH beyond imagination.

When the average college kid comes out of school with over $100,000 in debt, something is WRONG. Forget about Harvard or Yale or Princeton or MIT etc, theyll have over $400,000 in debt.

What REDGT cant seem to put into words is what Obama is famous for. Talking, but not plan of action.

He says "ILL END THE WAR IN IRAQ" but yet has NO PLAN TO DO IT and NO IDEA HOW TO DO IT

He says "ILL FIX THE ECONOMY" but has not outlined ANY economic plan nor even come close to explaining how to fix the housing crisis, overseas jobs, immigration etc.

He says "ILL END THE OIL CRISIS" but he is against drilling, and says investing in alternative fuels will work. But has no timeline, no idea, clue how long or how much it will cost.

I mean he says what people want to hear. People are upset about gas prices, economy, and the war. So what he does is say "I WILL FIX ALL THE STUFF GEORGE BUSH SCREWED UP" and people who are mostly ignorant say "YOU KNOW I WANT A GUY THAT WILL CHANGE ALL THIS BAD STUFF IM VOTING FOR HIM!"

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PS I didnt watch the speech cause i refuse to give him any ratings.

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You pretty much hit on the head. He spoke for ~45 minutes and the first 20-30 minutes it pretty much sounded like all the rest of Obama's speech's. He spent a few minutes talking about what he wants to do gave very little info on HOW.

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Originally Posted by tony

Let the youngling have his opinion, he's obviously got it all figured out in his early 20's.

To debate with him is useless, much like the rest of the folks here. If in your analysis you cannot even acknowledge how historic Obama's acceptance speech was for this country, all politics aside then obviously you are too jaded to understand what is going on in the world. Even McCain was able to do it..

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Ok Tony I have told you before if someone can show me something I haven't seen I'm all for it. I have never claimed to know everything.

You're absolutely right his speech was historic. I apologize for not saying that but for a guy that says that he's not old Washington his speech was classic democrat tactics and to be honest I was expecting more. I was really expecting to hear more on how in this speech.

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Originally Posted by tony

Let the youngling have his opinion, he's obviously got it all figured out in his early 20's.

To debate with him is useless, much like the rest of the folks here. If in your analysis you cannot even acknowledge how historic Obama's acceptance speech was for this country, all politics aside then obviously you are too jaded to understand what is going on in the world. Even McCain was able to do it..

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well that's interesting considering a huge percentage of Obama followers are in their early 20's, i find it really annoying that all these people that are young and put all this support into someone like Obama are really people at this point in time that don't own a home.. Basically, People who own nothing and have nothing to lose on such a gamble for a man that is nothing but out spoken with big charisma. I watched his speech and it was so unrealistic its almost desperate sounding bull crap.