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    Default All the h22 info you need to build a beast

    Since h2b seems to be the new thing i figured built h2b would be even better. I have checked and out of all the b series sticky threads that makes building a engine so easy there is not one on a h series . People are scared of what they dont know and people like to have something to go by when there building there motor .To clear up a few things a h22 block and a h23 block are exactly the same no difference at all. They were both cast from the same mold . If you decide to use a h23 block the only thing you have to do is pull the tiny oil restrictor out the top of the block so the vtec head can get enough oil to engage vtec . It is in the center of the block all you have to do is hand screw a 8mm blot in it and pull up thats all. If you decide to run a h23 crank you have to bend the oil squirters so they want hit the threw on the crank . If you running floating rist pin rods (odds are if your building your motor you will run floating rist pin rods ) then you dont need the oil squirters at all so just take them out . I never run oil squirters less friction on the crank (oil falling back down after being squirted onto the rods) means more hp. The first thing they ask is how much hp will this set up make .For starters im going to give a couple different combinations to get different compression with different pistonsd and cranks. This is with a stock head gasket which compresses at .026 thousandth and nothing taken off the block or head. Then i will list a couple different set ups i have done and how much hp they made plus times they run at the track.

    usdm h22 10.0
    jdm h22 10.6
    jdm h23 10.6 9 ( my dad cc one the other day )
    type s h22 11.1

    h23 pistons have a different rist pin displacement then h22 pistons causing 1. of compression if you run h22 pistons on h23 crank and h23 rods. If you run any of these set ups your piston will stick out the block aproximately .020 . Remeber you have .026 of head gasket plus about .030 worth of lip in the head there is plenty of clearence you could even shave a little if you wanted a little more compression but i would recomend claying the motor if you take anymore off then what im suggesting. There is not a piston to valve interference problem but i do suggest taking a dremel and opening up the valve reliefs(they dont need to be deeper just take some off the back) just a little just in case you break your timing belt it will help preventing bent valves but you dont have to .

    h23 crank,h23 rods,h22 usdm pistons 11.0
    h23 crank,h23 rods,h22 jdm pistons 11.6
    h23 crank,h23 rods,h22 type s pistons 12.1

    As you can see if you want to make a nice all motor set up you can get alot of compression with stock h series parts. Also just to help everybody out a f22 crank and rods is the same part number as a h23 crank and rods they are the same thing so there is you a cheap crank and rods to start your build with.

    Now here is a couple simple 225-230 hp motors i have built very cheap then i will go from there.

    h22 crank
    h22 rods
    type s pistons (11.1 compression)
    skunk2 stage 2 cams
    euro r intake
    70mm throttle body
    kidd racing header (rmf)
    stock head
    balance shaft removal kit
    2.5 half inch ebay exaust
    three inch intake
    t2t4 f20b trany
    227hp
    ran low 13s with this in a cx hatchtrany never went in second right

    h23 crank
    h23 rods
    type s pistons (12.1 compression)
    skunk2 stage 2 cams
    kidd racing header (rmf)
    stock head
    balance shaft removal kit
    stock intake
    stock f20b 65mm throttle body
    2.5 inch muffler shop exaust
    three inch cold air intake
    m2b4 trany
    231 hp (25 more hp across the mid range due mainly to the longer stroke crank)
    ran 12.8 in si hatch complete interior

    As you can see there are some very simple all motor builds you can do with a h22 motor. I have never went h2b (although i am in the process of building on now) but from my understand there suppose to take about a half a tenth off your time so minus half a tenth on any off the set ups above for h2b . Also because of the gearing h2b is worth about ten more dyno hp so add ten hp to each set up for h2b. Make sure you do the balance shaft elimination there good for up to 10 dyno hp which you will not get anywere esle for 130
    dollars.I had to cut the dome off my 11.5 cp pistons to get them down to 12.3 compression because of running them on h23 crank and h23rods . Remeber that adding 1. for h22 pistons only applies to what i listed when you start boring or shaving the head and block everything changes . Also the further in the head the piston goes everything changes because of the shape of the cumbuston chamber.

    Here is a couple 250 plus hp motor i have had a hand in .

    H22 crank
    h22 crower rods
    h22 weisco 11.5 compression 88mm pistons
    skunk2 intake
    70mm throttle body
    skunk2 pro2 cams
    port and polished head (by my dad )
    kidd racing header (rmf)
    full 3 inch exaust
    3 inch intake
    balance shft removal kit
    h2b b16 trany
    252 hp
    ran high 12s in cx hatch also had trouble with trany

    H23 crank
    h23 crower rods
    11.5 h22 88mm cp pistons (had to cut the doom off the pistons to get 12.3 compression)
    golden eagle dropp in sleeves
    skunk2 stage 2 cams
    port and polished head (by my dad )
    port and polished stock intake (by my dad )
    kidd racing header (rmf)
    2.5 muffler shop exaust
    3 inch cold air intake
    h series t2t4 trany off a f20b
    252hp (about 25 more hp across the midrange because of the larger crank i beleive)
    running 12.3 in si hatch complete interior
    Last edited by h22 jones; 11-28-2010 at 05:25 PM.

    252plus hp and 34.5 miles to the gallon all motor. 12.2 at 111

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    If someone wants to sticky this feel free so that everytime someone pms me asking about set ups i can send them here . I am in the process of building at least two motors that will be a good bit bigger then the set ups i posted about when i get the results i will update thread . If anybody can think of anything else that would be good info please post . If anybody sees anything they think is wrong please post as it is late and im not perfect by any means . Please do not crowd this thread with well i thought this ,and i read that, if i did not have my hands on it and check it myself then it would not be posted .This is not stuff i read. I am not saying i dont make mistakes but if you correct me do it yourself not by something you read please. I get phone calls everyday about building h series motors so i thought i would just help everybody out a little and post some stuff that i know .

    252plus hp and 34.5 miles to the gallon all motor. 12.2 at 111

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    couple of questions. so its safe to run stage 2 cams on h22a stock valve train?
    and how reliable is high compression h22 as far aslong trips?

    this is my current set up

    h22a swap
    h22 type s cams
    skunk 2 cam gears
    skunk 2 intake manifold
    skunk 2 68 mm throttle body
    aem fuel rail
    removed balance shat belt
    aem fpr
    dsm 440 cc injectors
    walbro 255
    3inch velocity stack intake
    kidd racing drag race header
    custom 3inch exhaust only magnaflow resinator
    m2b4 tranny lsd also have trouble with second haha
    stage 3 clutch with 91 accord shift assembly
    zex wet nitrous kit 65 shot

    i made 199 whp and 159 tq
    with 65 shot 259 whp and 230 tq

    im looking to do a oem build soon shhoting for like 240. along with h2b maybe

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    ^if im not mistaken(mike correct me if im wrong) but i believe h22 jones is/was running type s valvetrain with the s2s2
    11.1@127- 400whp on baby turbo
    12.1@115- All motor H2B Integra

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    think its okay with type s valve train but idk about the h22a

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    I have run several cams on type s valve train with no probleams for years . I do not rev my motors past 8300 because they do not make power past that. Type s cams have a tone of lift there actualy pretty aggresive cams . Ive seen 240hp on type s cams . My point is the type s valve train is realy nice stuff i wouldnt be scared to run it on any cams but stage 3 or pro 3 because of coil bind issues. On realy big strait race cams you end up with coil bind if you dont run the proper springs with the proper cams . In other words the lobes on the cam are so big that when they compress the springs the springs actualy bottom out before the lobe spins all the way over. This will eat up valve train and destroy a head . To answer your question with out over reving the motor type s valve train will work just fine with stage 2 cams ive been running them for 2 years . As for long trips on high compression motors there is no problem as long as the motor is built properly . Actualy with the stage 2 cams the primary lobe is the same as stock cams so unless your in vtec your basically running stock cams thats why we get such good gas mileage. So as for lng trips if your not in vtec your basicaly driving a stock motor with a little more tourqe from the higher compression bottom end. All that does is when we slow down to make a turn we dont even have to down shift just leave it in fifth and it doesnt even lug the motor realy alot of fun to drive . We are also running a resonator and a hudge muffler so the car is very quite untill you lay into it then has a realy nice deep sound. I normaly trailer the car to main stream to get tunned just because i love to ride in my expidition but we have drove the car there several times and dynoed it . Also how long your built motor last completely depends on how well you built it ours has around 15,000 on it right now and as far as i can see its just broke in well it keeps making more power everytime we put it on the dyno and has more vacum then it did the first time we dynoed it.

    252plus hp and 34.5 miles to the gallon all motor. 12.2 at 111

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    Good thread sir
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    dam this guy knows his shit



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    h22jones, what kind of gains to you think i would see keeping the same head i have now and going with h23 crank, rods and type s pistons?

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    good shit next year is going to be fun

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    O yea

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    Quote Originally Posted by *EFilliated* View Post
    O yea
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    Around 15hp and over 25 foot pounds of tourqe if i had to guess. I made 230 but with better cams and a little deferent stuff you should see 215 no problem. I always try to be moddest so if you make more you will be even happier lol.

    252plus hp and 34.5 miles to the gallon all motor. 12.2 at 111

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    great info sir.

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    hahaha lol gotcha bc i thought the 199 and 159 tq were awsome just for mainly bolt ons.
    so from there i could still do type s valve train and sk2 cams for a bit more

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    numbers seem kinda low for the stuff that's done to it. Is it tuned?

    Quote Originally Posted by big mac View Post
    couple of questions. so its safe to run stage 2 cams on h22a stock valve train?
    and how reliable is high compression h22 as far aslong trips?

    this is my current set up

    h22a swap
    h22 type s cams
    skunk 2 cam gears
    skunk 2 intake manifold
    skunk 2 68 mm throttle body
    aem fuel rail
    removed balance shat belt
    aem fpr
    dsm 440 cc injectors
    walbro 255
    3inch velocity stack intake
    kidd racing drag race header
    custom 3inch exhaust only magnaflow resinator
    m2b4 tranny lsd also have trouble with second haha
    stage 3 clutch with 91 accord shift assembly
    zex wet nitrous kit 65 shot

    i made 199 whp and 159 tq
    with 65 shot 259 whp and 230 tq

    im looking to do a oem build soon shhoting for like 240. along with h2b maybe
    11.3 @ 117
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    yeah man tuned with p28 on crome from import experts in winder ga

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    great info: vote sticky

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    Quote Originally Posted by *EFilliated* View Post
    numbers seem kinda low for the stuff that's done to it. Is it tuned?
    numbers are just that...numbers...every dyno is different
    11.1@127- 400whp on baby turbo
    12.1@115- All motor H2B Integra

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    True

    Quote Originally Posted by DarKStaR View Post
    numbers are just that...numbers...every dyno is different
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    Sticky this!!!!

    great info!

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    I was bored up all night so i decided to help everybody out atleast sticky this please lol.

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    what valvetrain would you recommend for s2p2?

    so far, i am only running 70mm tb, vteckidd rmf, 440cc. and plan on throwing the p2 in. and maybe a RBC manifold

    also i have a feel;s twin cam header w/ 3" collector on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RsonGt3's View Post
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    sticky vote

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    hmmmmmmmmm i think an all h22 meet in in order

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    Quote Originally Posted by h22 jones View Post
    I have run several cams on type s valve train with no probleams for years . I do not rev my motors past 8300 because they do not make power past that.
    mine did but you are right most dont make power past 8300. your dad just did great work porting my head.

    but damn Mike, why you giving all the secrets away lol jk
    Quote Originally Posted by big mac View Post
    yeah man tuned with p28 on crome from import experts in winder ga
    i believe with a better tune(r) you can see more power with your setup you have now.



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    I agree

    i believe with a better tune(r) you can see more power with your setup you have now.[/QUOTE]
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    Wanna do a few more mods and see maybe do another tune. Bc I added the exhaust throttle body and exhaust after I tuned it the first time so I prob has abbilty to make more power

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    @big mac love your hatch dude. I thought you were sellin it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big mac View Post
    hmmmmmmmmm i think an all h22 meet in in order
    this/\

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    hahah thansk bro yeah it is forsale but if it dosent sell in the next 2 weeks ill keep it. and the h22 meet would be good

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    i made 236whp/170tq H2B. before H2B was 230whp/165tq

    stock bottomend
    stock intake manifold
    stock casting head [shaved]
    blox type b cams
    supertech springs&retainers
    ferra flat valves
    one layer head gasket
    KStuned Balance shaft eliminator kit
    kiddracing rmf style header
    440cc injectors
    on e85

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    Nice, I gotta stick to 93, its my daily

    Quote Originally Posted by 94ej2 View Post
    i made 236whp/170tq H2B. before H2B was 230whp/165tq

    stock bottomend
    stock intake manifold
    stock casting head [shaved]
    blox type b cams
    supertech springs&retainers
    ferra flat valves
    one layer head gasket
    KStuned Balance shaft eliminator kit
    kiddracing rmf style header
    440cc injectors
    on e85
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    it was my dd. i keep a 55 gallon drum at my shop. its only a 30mins drive to get gas. all our shop cars run e85.

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    Yea thats why i said all my cars dont make hp paste 8300 i think yours peaked at 8400 rpm. Someone needs to buy nemos head its proven worthy thats for sure.

    Sometimes bigger is not always better unless you get your compression up to 11.5 i would run skunk2 stage 2 cams you will make more power. As you can see we have had alot of luck with our stage 2 cams ,they realy nice power ,there great for a street car and get great gas mileage also . Bigger is not always better if you dont have the goods to support them.

    I would be real interested in seeing what our car made on e85 especialy with the compression were making should be some nice numbers. I am thanking about running e85 on the new setup. If you dont mine me asking what duty cycle were your injectors at running e85 at 230hp . The reason i ask is i know e85 takes alot bigger injector so were my rc550 are fine for 253 hp on 93 they may max out on e85 ive always wondered that. I have some rc 650 for the new set up but if i hit any were near my power goals im not sure if they will max out . Im trying to keep the car driver friendly and streetable so i dont want to run any bigger injector then i have to . I have heard you need double the injector but that cant be quit right if your running 440.

    252plus hp and 34.5 miles to the gallon all motor. 12.2 at 111

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    I want more h series guys out there but trust me this is just to get them started lol no were near all the secrets . I am tired of reading about all these b series all motor builds with a tone of shit barely breaking 200hp or maybe a little more ( I am not talking about everybody there are some nicely built b series all motor cars on here ) when they could have bolted in a stock h2b and broke 12s. i mean it is all about how fast you can go and not how much shit you have isnt it? Instead of worrying about what looks good or what everybody else is running all i car about is going as fast as i can for as cheap as i can . Im always trying to help and will be glad to do what ever i can to help anybody just how i am . First thing to remember is building a motor is not bolting a bunch of high price parts together and hope it runs good. Everything has to compliment everything else in order for a all motor to make real power.
    Last edited by h22 jones; 11-30-2010 at 11:31 PM.

    252plus hp and 34.5 miles to the gallon all motor. 12.2 at 111

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    hey h22jones will you be at the vmeet thursday i wanna check out your car bro

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    i doubt it man i dont get up that way much and my dad drives this car every day . I normaly just race it i like my expidition for a everyday ride lol. i get my son on thursday and he has to be in bed early for school or i might would ride up ill see.

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    Hmmm gotcha I really wanna see it Friday will be it's last say on road before build starts

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