i got a car that i bought thats already lowered (too low) and i wanna raise it up a little and i was woundering what yall think i should do..i want it to be a half a inch above the top tire....
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i got a car that i bought thats already lowered (too low) and i wanna raise it up a little and i was woundering what yall think i should do..i want it to be a half a inch above the top tire....
i would reccoend a coilover setup, or find out what your stock ride height is, since you provided us no information at all, and shop around for a spring that will lower it to what you want. Dont forget your shocks, camber kit, nad alignment as well.
Ummmm I def would not put coilovers on anything with wheels and an engine. bottom line THEY SUCK!!!!! I Have a lowered CRX SI that is pretty much lower than anyones CRX in the Atlanta area (by the way if any one wants to challenge this I'll meet you whenever and wherever and if your lower I'll give you $50 gauranteed) back to what I was saying Coilovers have the worst ride you can ever imagine. This is why: you have a coil that is very short but has a high tension rating. so your ridding down the street and you hit a good bump or two and your wonderin why your head is about to go through the roof? this little stupid POS invention they call a coilover that everyone is clammering about has to hold up the weight of your car. and how do you do that with such a small coil. High tension! so now when you hit a bump it tries to resist that force very qucikly hense the bouncyness of the ride. plus have you ever tried getting them all the same height? almost impossible! I've seen people riding down the street in their newly lowered car and not to my surprise but surely to their dissmay their car looks like a hurt limping lost dog. I play it off and say "hey man I like that drop what you got"? "Oh umm coilovers I think" Also have you ever tried re ajusting the ride hight?
Yep as you guessed it's a pain in the ass. Totally not worth it and if you got a good looking drop why change it kinda pointless. I could go on and on and on and on. I have two different cars with sick drops and have had plenty in the past cause thats what my friends and others know me for and I have never put coilovers on anything alse. The ride is 10X better and has better handling. I may not be the fastest on the road but I'll do 115mph on a blind curve any day. Beat that you dam Evos and SRT4's braggin rights biatch! Make a long story short I had a CRX si perfect condition. I put all this money into it and I'm riding down 85 and CRACK!! "what was that?" I say. SNAP!!! CLING!!!! WTF!?!?!? luckily I slow down to about 50mph and BAM!!!!!!!!!!!! I hear screeching tires and all I see is oncoming cars and big silver highway gaurd rails blur past as I'm spinning (which is pretty impossible in a CRX). So I manage to save it and just when I think it's over BAM!!!!!!!! a fucking truck bashes into the back of me doin at least 50mph! So now my back end is crushed, I get a ticket for altered suspension and to top it off the insurance would not pay for it b/c of the alterations. So I get my car back from the junk yard to do a last fairwell parting of the car and I discover that my fuckin coilover canister broke causing my car to drop already lower than what it was catching my tire under the frame which locked only one of my front tires at 50mph. You do the math it does not take a scientist to figure what happened next. Yep My little ol CRX went into a violent spin which I managed to save but......... the guy in the truck thought that was to simple and of course hits me. So as a last word "COIL OVERS LICK BALLS AND THEY KILL PEOPLE" So get a set for someone you don't like Today!!!!!
Last edited by SLEEK-CRX-SI; 06-08-2005 at 10:46 PM.
If you know what your doing with coil overs such as measure all 4 coils before you put on. Then if you lower or raise do all 4 exactly the same. LIke one turn from mark to mark all the way around. Not that hard.
yeah your right Not Really hard but..... why do all that work when you can get a set of springs for any ride hight? Plus the ride still sucks! coilovers are the cheap persons way out and I have not heard any complaints about springs.
...sounds to me like you need a psychiatristOriginally Posted by SLEEK-CRX-SI
(and don't lower your car and expect to have a cushy ride, you were bottoming out your struts and hitting the bump stops...that tends to happen when you only allow an inch of shock travel)
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HAHAHA hatch77 you said cushy WTF!!!! hehe Sounds to me like your a coil over lover. I've measured my front lip from the ground and it is a little over 2 inches in clearance. oh and by the way that's not my CRX in my avatar that's my buddy's I put it on there as a fairwell. He went off to the army. But if anyone would like to take me up on that ride hieght contest PM me and we'll set a time and place. By the way My ride is pretty compfy MR.RICER ON CALL thanks for the input though!
wtf dude are u crazy
i got tein flex and they are coil overs and they ride like if i had springs
cheap coil overs can break and damage cars that is true. good ones are built to stand up to abuse.
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sounds like someone shopped on Ebay for there coilover set up
i own Ground Control, probably teh best coilover set up out in teh market, i ride fine.
now as for hittin bumps and bouncing....correct me if im wrong, but even with a stock suspension set up...you'll bounce a lil right.....right....thats why you buy good shocks like flysi stated...he has tein, which is the best to get
basically ...if you buy it cheap, you'll ride cheap, put money into it, and it'll show and feel like it....
as for adjustin ride height...again with ground control, all you need is an allen key....loosen up the lock and raise it and lower it to how you want...take sme maybe 5 minutes if i want to adjust it...
by teh crx ....what kind of suspension set up do you have?
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...that's wonderful, how many lateral g's can your car handle without scrubbing tires?
...ride height contest? NOPI just called, they won't be here for a little while. so in the meantime why don't you try for some kind of REAL contest... like 1/4 times or something.
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Coil overs you can raise or lower whenever you want. Can yo do that with springs?? NO. I have Eibach ground controls. Like someone else said they are one of the best coilover setups you can buy. My car rides just fine.Cheap persons way out???? To me its smart to go coilover. Slam it when you want,raise it back to stock if you want.And believe me my coilovers where not cheap at all.
hehe you guys are funny b/c quite frankly they still suck they serve the same perpose as springs with more work and more $$$$$ so looks like you guys did not think about that to logically?!?!?!?! and guess what MR RICER ON CALL 12.7 in the 1/4 down at silver dollar B18c1!!!! Got My time slip to prove it so again when someone wants to take me up on my ride height issue I'll be sure to bring my time slip and, as for my set up we'll race mall of GA!! Fastest on ramp speed (117mph) Fearless behind the wheel bitches!!! PM ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hatch 77's AKA (RICER ON CALL) bumper is hurtin for paint but yet he's got all this money for swaps oh oh wait I got a funny one.... maybe your car is just so dam fast that you can't keep paint on it. in which ever case RICER ON CALL I"M CALLIN YOU OUT $1,000 PUT YOUR MONEY WERE YOUR MOUTH IS AND LETS RACE I'LL BE SURE TO TAKE YOUR CASH!! HEY WITH THE MONEY I WIN I MAY GET YOUR FRONT BUMPER PAINTED FOR YOU. IF YOUR SERIOUS COME UP WIT SOME CASH AN HOLLA AT YA BOY. TALKIN ALL DAT SHIT LES SEE WUS UP!!!!!!! I GOT MINE NOW LET ME KNOW WHEN YOUR READY. YOU GOT THE BANNER TO MAKE UP FOR THAT SLOW ASS CAR OF YOURS. SO AGAIN WHEN YOUR READY CALL ME AND INVITE ALL YOUR FRIENDS OH YEAH DON'T WANT TO BE RUDE WHEN WE GET A DATE AND A TIME SET UP I'LL POST IT SO EVERY ONE CAN COME. I GOT MY TITLE IF YOU WANT TO UP THE STAKES A LITTLE TOO. MIGHT WANT TO KEEP MOM AND DADS MONEY IN YOUR BACK POCKET YOU SURE AS HECK DON'T WANT TO LOOSE THAT!!!!!! THEY MIGHT JUST GROUND YOU AND TAKE YOUR CAR AND THEN TELL YOU TO GO TO YOUR ROOM AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU DID!
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Bump For A Call Out!!!!!!!!!!
i dont' race, im shw orientated, abviously you dont have much knowledge about suspension, but you know more of motors, so im not takin anything away from you there....and of course a b18 in a light weight crx is gon run good #'s....im content runnin my b16a2 on the streets as a normal driver, im not going into my motor like that....im happy with my simple, intake,headers, exhaust and cams upgrade
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well black civic Si at least your honest about your motor knowledge. It's cool some people just like the show aspect of imports they are pretty good lookin cars so why not.I'm a little more hands and and pedal happy on the other hand. So my suspension set up and engine always has to be a peak performance. As you prob take the show aspec of imports seriously it's only safe to say that I take the racing serious as well. Having raced in the SCCA for 4 years I have a vast knowledge of suspension and engine set ups. I have spent well over $2,000 on my suspension and even more money and time on my engine. With the latteral G's we push at the SCCA track I have not seen one Coilover suspension setup. All the drivers will tell you that it is a serious NO NO B/C of the performance failure and the hidden dangers. Don't get me wrong they are great for show vehicles that just need a decent drop and or to slam it @ a show then raise it up for normal driving but, at 115 on the highway, on the track, or in a tight corner I would not risk it with coilovers.
oh yeah if you talk with hatch 77 AKA Ricer On Call let him know that I'm still callin him out and to put his $1,000 or Title were his mouth is :idb: otherwise shut the fuck up!!!! Thanx!Your Invited when we get a race set up!
Last edited by SLEEK-CRX-SI; 06-10-2005 at 10:48 AM.
yeaah, i mean for Racing, Coilovers probably arent the best, but for Daily Drivers and street cars, they are real good, only other suspension i would say better is Air Struts ( not neccesarily bags, Struts have more reliability) i mean i know a fair share of honda motors to be dangerous, but not to wear i can tear it apart, rebuild it and have it better then ever, just kno what i need to get to increase power.....but yeah hopefully someone takes you up on your offer to race
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to the original poster, who I guess was forgotten amongst all the useless threads: yes depending on what you want, you can look into stock springs, quality lowering springs, or a full coilover system. If you decide to go with stock springs, pick up a set of OEM replacement shocks (KYB GR2, etc), if you decide to go with lowering springs, pick up a set of performance shocks (KONI, KYB AGX, etc).... if you're serious about competing in autocross or plan to do open laps, coilovers are where it's at, and make sure to do your research beforehand, I've found generally most of these "tuners" know nothing about suspension, and their knowledge of it comes straight from the newest issue of "import tuner" or something (ex: just read some certain posters in this thread hehehe)
what series have you been racing in? If you're refering to cheap sleeve coilovers I would say you have a valid point, but otherwise...
well black civic Si at least your honest about your motor knowledge. It's cool some people just like the show aspect of imports they are pretty good lookin cars so why not.I'm a little more hands and and pedal happy on the other hand. So my suspension set up and engine always has to be a peak performance. As you prob take the show aspec of imports seriously it's only safe to say that I take the racing serious as well. Having raced in the SCCA for 4 years I have a vast knowledge of suspension and engine set ups. I have spent well over $2,000 on my suspension and even more money and time on my engine. With the latteral G's we push at the SCCA track I have not seen one Coilover suspension setup. All the drivers will tell you that it is a serious NO NO B/C of the performance failure and the hidden dangers. Don't get me wrong they are great for show vehicles that just need a decent drop and or to slam it @ a show then raise it up for normal driving but, at 115 on the highway, on the track, or in a tight corner I would not risk it with coilovers.
oh yeah if you talk with hatch 77 AKA Ricer On Call let him know that I'm still callin him out and to put his $1,000 or Title were his mouth is :idb: otherwise shut the fuck up!!!! Thanx!
um uhhhhhuuuummmm OK :confused: looks like your a little confused. Guess that explains why you still have NOOB posted under your avatar.
what does my post count have to do with anything? You claimed that you've been involved w/ SCCA in racing for 4 years, and you say you have never seen a "coilover" set up used in race cars... you're not refering to stock SOLO 2 class right lol?! That's the only one I can come up with that outlaws aftermarket coilovers.
"As you prob take the show aspec of imports seriously it's only safe to say that I take the racing serious as well. Having raced in the SCCA for 4 years I have a vast knowledge of suspension and engine set ups. I have spent well over $2,000 on my suspension and even more money and time on my engine. With the latteral G's we push at the SCCA track I have not seen one Coilover suspension setup."
The reason why that's the only one you can come up with is b/c you don't know what your talkin about. Lets SEE I don't know about you but I think before I talk. You on the other hand does the opposite. Must I prove you wrong and emberass you just like all the others that tried to call me out. First off I'm not talking about SOLO 2 idiot!!!!!lol 2nd Touring does not prohibit coilovers which if you look back I never said smart guy. 3rd just b/c they don't prohibit you from using coil overs does not mean they use them genius. The police don't prohibit you from blowing up your own car but guess what that would be stupid now wouldn't it. So you don't do it. catch the point if not here it goes... just b/c they don't prohibit it doesn't mean that someone uses them b/c that would be like bringing a horse to an auto race. So now since thats clrearified go and get your facts straight before you look like an ass next time. Rocket Scientist.
Dude Yudalicious you've been veiwing this post for like an hour and have'nt replied. you lookin for some facts you can back with? There is one thing you must learn young NOOB there are many smart asses on IA and you just met one of them! I'm not really a smart ass I just correct people with the wrong info and if that makes me a smart ass so be it. Facts young NOOB facts!!!!!
here's some places where you can look, solo2, solo1, SCCA world challenge.... yes you would see threaded shock coilovers being run... does that mean you can't be successful with shocks and springs? Heck no, some of the fastest cars I've seen in solo2 are running relatively simple/inexpensive set ups... now which part of my info is wrong?
You stated to the original poster that coilovers are BAD and should be avoided at all costs, I just merely pointed out the fact that that is not true. If you want further proof, look at KONI, Ohlins, Penske, even Advance Design... what do they have in common? They're threaded shock body coilovers! Gee I wonder why these names are thrown out when anyone talks about suspension...So what do the cars in 2nd touring that you stated run for suspension set ups?
EDIT: since I'm up this late, we can make some definitions, technically coilover=basically any coiled spring that's coiled over the shock unit... however the term is now mostly used to describe an aftermarket unit that has the ability to adjust preload, height, etc. Just so we don't get confused on rhetorics here, I know alot of people think just coilover sleeves anytime the term "coilover" is used.
Last edited by yudalicious; 06-11-2005 at 01:40 AM.
Wow good job young NOOB you really pulled out all the stops trying to stump me huh!
Well your still as Noobie as you where yesterday when you made those other foolish comments. You talk this crap about relitively/cheap inexpensive setups being run and being pretty succesfull CORRECT. Again Who won the last solo event?????? yeah you don't know b/c you don't do this for a living your just like a punk kid trying to tell his boss how to run his company when in reality if you knew so much you'ed be out there on the track competing. ANSWER: BY a landslide a CRX running Nuespeed springs ajustable damper kit, DC sport tower and sway bars. UMMMMMM WHHAAAATTTT?????
I'll even tell you again since you were not there and at this point prob shocked!
ANSWER: BY a landslide a CRX running Nuespeed springs ajustable damper kit, DC sport tower and sway bars. peopple who come to the track and run coilover setups are NOOBS like you that quite honestly have a lot to learn. OH and since you thought you where smart and started blurtin out names such as KONI and others if you look real good Mr. big time NOOB you'll find that all of those companies make springs. and as for those names being thrown out when people talk suspension yeah maybe on the street or your little weekly parking lot of friends. Even then they could be talkin about either or. And plus they are not racing at any of the SCCA tracks cause people would look at them stupid and ask why. So that's not a very valid point you tried to throw in my face. Oh and as for My setup Nuespeed Springs ajustable damper kit all upgraded bushings, DC sports tower and sway bars! Ohhh WHHAATT WAIT? That's the guy that won the........ Yeah like I said I've been doin this a good while so unless I see you at the track or a trophy in hand keep your mouth shut. and by the way good defintion of coilover it must have took you all night to come up with that one!!
Last edited by SLEEK-CRX-SI; 06-11-2005 at 11:38 AM.
Until next time young noob I'll be waiting to bash your little hope, dreams, definitions, and whatever else you NOOBS come up with of ever being correct on this subject.
Hahahahahaha my little young pheasant NOOBs You will be forever entranced in my reign of knowledge and wisdom and encapsulated by your petty and rechit asumption of the horseless carrage we call and automobile. hahahahahahahahahaha
Helpful Hint:
Pick up a book or actually get down and dirty under the hood that's the only way to learn
seriously... do you have a problem with reading comprehension?
your first statement: all coilovers are bad
my counter statement: not true
your counter argument: you're a noob, you're post count is so low, HAHA
my counter argument: never said you couldn't be successful running springs and shocks, but if you look into the highest form of racing, they run threaded shock bodies, why? Because they're good, a direct opposite of what you originally stated.
your second counter argument: more insults...
See a pattern here? I make arguments by stating facts and information, you make arguments by calling me names and NOT stating much information... sorry Sleek I've had more intellectually stimulating arguments with high schoolers.
BTW, if you have any reading comprehension skills whatsoever, you would've noticed I NEVER said you NEED coilovers to be fast, I even said that some of the fastest people out there are running simple springs and shocks.... I am actually running KYB AGX and RSR springs myself... why? Because as of right now I've no use for coilovers.... unlike you, I never made a definite and broad statement that was so easily contradicted...
check KONI's or AD's site... you'll find they make high quality threaded dampers made for coilover systems...
why am I even replying? If I were any smarter I should realize that arguing with someone who lacks the basic knowledge of comprehension and logic skills is a waste of time.
Whoa, all coilovers arent necessarily bad. Its difficult to find shocks valved for higher spring rates, so once you start running stickier rubber and find yourself dealing with more body roll, it becomes more difficult to find a shock/spring combo that can control that body movement properly. That's where high end coilover setups come in to play. Remember, for most people the term "coilover" represents a thread shock body/spring combo, usually using standard race sized springs, higher spring rates than most separate spring/shock combos, and valving to match those rates. In the world of hondas i guess the term has also come to mean those springs with a sleeve that allows you to adjust ride height. However, those have to be paired with some sort of shock, and again, options are limited for higher rates.
Sooo....real coilovers aren't useless. They have many proponents for HPDEs, wheel to wheel track racing, autoX, and other forms of amateur racing.
Hooray for winning something. What series/class do you run? You weren't very clear about anything, and your attitude about post count, n00bishness, etc, is pretty poor. Just because someone doesn't devote all their waking hours to making asinine posts on a ricer forum doesn't mean that they have no knowledge or experience. Maybe people would listen to your advice if you didn't insist on insulting and "calling out" everyone. What are you, like 17? Yudalicious posted some good points and you just kept attacking him personally rather than explaining why you think he's wrong.
PS- he isn't.
Yep If you insist you guys are correct your correct. I see I'm not going to win this one because I'm dealing with people who have never gotten behind the wheel on any SCCA track ever. So you guys are going to keep coming back with things that don't make much sense but I can't fault you for that b/c once again none of you have ever steped on to and official SCCA track so you would only have assumptions, guesses, and theorys that you guys would fight till your dying day. I bust my ass out there at the track. For what? So idiots like you can put a bad damper on the sport by being incompetant dickheads with no knowledge of the sport. No wonder they call us every name under the sun (aka Rice Burners). Because guys like you get your fucking $200-$500 paycheck from Taco Bell to a hole in the wall shop go straight to the bank cash it and head for the nearest NOPI or other sham of a performance store buy a couple of bolt ons get a decent time at the track and now your fuckin Mario Anderatti. Then come on IA and tell others who actually do this for a living what kind of set up is better for a racing application. DUDE ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ONE MORE TIME I DO THIS FOR A LIVING (YUDE THERES YOUR READING COOMPREHENSION SO REMEMBER THAT!!!!!)
So now cause you got some bolt on's that make you a auto tech? get the fuck out of here.
one last word try graduating from Panoz school of racing (if you can) then compete on a SCCA track with other proffessionals and then tell me if you feel the same way about a suspension set up.
and by the way I'm 22. you guys seem like the high schoolers always runing your mouth trying to take up for a pitifull friend who didn't know what they were talking about in the first place. And If I talk shit it's cause I can back mine up.
I see nobody took me up on my suspension set up or to race. (yeah I thought so......)
because all the ones talkin shit are sittin behind there computer in their parents house being losers.
the ones that are talkin the most shit have not took me up on my cahllenge.
ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!!!!!!!
If you know more then bring it and I'll see what your workin with.
so again for the wanabees Shut The Hell UP!!!!!!!!!!!1
Last edited by SLEEK-CRX-SI; 06-11-2005 at 03:15 PM.
haha... look at this kid talking about noobs... you have 41 posts and joined two months ago. shut the fuck up. any race car that is worth a damn uses coilovers. nascar, formula 1, GT racing, rally, the list goes on. You don't get away from them until you move to the classes that are closer to stock. If you want to shell out the money for struts when you get coilovers, even sleeved coilovers, you are going to have the same ride quality as you would with springs. If you want to spend more, which you will if you buy a fully adjustable coilover system, you will have endless suspension adjustment and the ability to make your car handle the best it can in any condition.
and again there goes another^^^^^^^^^^
Check out F1 racing seriously and tell me what kind of susupsion they run!
As I can see anyway the fisrt form of racing on your list was NASCAR! WTF?!?!?!?!
yeah you sure added fuel to the fire by talkin about a form of racing that just makes left hand turns. wooooppppeeee!!!!!!!!! RED NECK! your b18hb name should be confiscated and you banned!
oh and who hasn't joined in the last two or three months if you were one of the unfortunate ones that lost your sreen name the last time the site was hacked. Mr. Smart one!!!!
must I emberass everyone that tries to make me look like a fool.
Sleek, I've given up on arguing with you. You, once again, have NOT presented ANY useful statement/information, ALL you've said so far is that you have first hand knowledge (with complete disregard to WHAT it is that you know) and thrown out insults at everyone that has (respectfully under the circumstances) disagreed with you... again, I don't know what grade level you're reading at, but your ability to read and comprehend isn't on par with the average 22 year old, so allow me to make an analogy that, hopefully, even you can understand:
You: Eating apples is BAD!
Me: I don't think that's correct, how can you make such a broad statement?
You: OMG YOU NOOB I HAVE EXPERIENCE!
Me: I see people eat apples all the time, they're fine... unless you're talking about eating rotten apples...what was your experience?
You: OMG YOU RETARDS APPLES ARE BAD! I TELL YOU I HAVE EXPERIENCE!
Get it? You haven't really made ONE compelling argument for your case, the only argument you've made for the fact that coilovers are bad is that because you have experience driving in SCCA, so what was your experience with coilovers? Since you run Neuspeed springs and a damper kit, I don't see how you can attest to the fact that ALL coilovers are bad since you currently do not use a set? Have you personally tested all? Have you and your circle of friends (probably a pretty pathetic one at that) personally tested all coilovers? Do you think your small little world of racing is representative of the rest of the world? Maybe it's time for you to take your provincial views and stick them up your ass and enroll in some English classes.
edit: end of argument from me, kind of hard when I'm arguing with facts and information, and the other side is arguing with insults, people can read and form their opinions.
once again as stated before I knew you would come back becuase that's the type of person you are. You would fight this until your dying day. you asked me what my experience was based of and you insult me ability to comprehend the english language when in truth you are being a hypocrit due to that fact that I explained my experience to everyone and why I do not choose to use coilovers. You should have read that but yet you still ask me why. So the question is DO YOU HAVE A READING COMPREHENSION PROBLEM? I sure dont! If you'ed like I can go in my files and see if I can find one of my thesis papers and scan it for you because once again I don't talk shit unless I can back it up. English happed to be one of my strongest suits in school so you might want to drop that subject before your horribly emberssed on a whole different playing field. I told you about the spring rates and I even gave an examples to go along with my experience. so you might want to have a mental evaluation done to see if your competant. you speak a good game but once again you will always look like a fool in the end b/c every thing you ask I answer if not had already been answered before but you still insist on asking again. You take the time to make these elabrate skits ex: YOU: "I don't use coilovers" ME: (yude) tell me why blah blah blah yep seems like your desperate to come up with ways to appear to be correct b/c if you look back I have always backed up my answers with educated answers and yet you still have and argument then I tell you that I have exprience and you tell me that's all I've been saying. You might as well tell Armstrong he can get to the moon with coilovers. guess what? He's going to tell you that you can't and he's goin to give a valid reason why not and he's going to tell you that he has experience. So I don't know about you but a VALID EXPLINATION + EXPERIENCE= A PERSON THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKIN ABOUT. So since you try to tell me that I have not given a reason here goes for the last time so that you'll get it through your scaley brain......
It is not preffered to use coilovers at the track b/c the spring rate is to high. why would this matter you may say?One reason would be chasis hop. Going around a curve at 115mph the last thing you want is chasis hop b/c everone knows what would happen if the car lifted just a litte and the wheel got a little lighter. It would be like doin 115mph on the highway and someone yanking the wheel. Not Good News. another example would be understeer. Again you might ask why. It's good to have a low center of gravity to make turning easier but with everything there is a threshold. Meaning that there is a breaking point to anything. It is a good thing to have almost no body roll but like everything there is always an exeption. If the spring rating is to high it will allow almost no body roll this will cause the car to understeer meaning you would have the big wheel effect remember what happened when you where going to fast on your big wheel and tried to turn. The wheel went which ever way you wanted but, the big wheel whent straigt. now you may say "yeah sure but the wheels were plastic thats why" but, you have to understand is that at the fastest you may have been goin is 15mph or 20 mph but in a car your doing 115mph so it's pretty much the same concept. sticky tires or not your going to slide. So to counter-act this you want to have a pretty low center of gravity with minimal body roll but it is a must to have a slight sway to give your tires that extra bite they crave when going this fast into a turn or corner. Another thing is the stress created on all of the machanical parts during a turn like this. You have to remember that this is not just a one time event; you putting stress on this part maybe as many as 300 times during a race. With the latteral G's (for those that don't know for every G it doubles the initial weight for example 100lbs at 1g would be 200lbs at 2g's would be 300lbs and so on) that these vihicles do at the track it can be up to 2x,3x or sometimes up to 4x the weight of the car pressing down on your front suspension again as many as 300 times during one event. If you use a coilover setup the canister is prone to stress cracks and ultimatley complete failure as explained by my initial story which was only at 50mph. So now imagine the catastrophic consequensis at 100+mph. So even for my little CRX if I'm holding 3g's in a turn thats 6,000lbs on that coilover setup and canister. So even in a small season maybe 20 events you are putting 6,000lbs on that canister and coilover setup MORE THAN 6,000 TIMES! Not very smart! So MR. YUDE I HOPE THOSE LITTLE EXAMPLES AND LESSONS TAUGHT YOU A VERY VALUABLE LESSON IN WHY WE DON'T USE COILOVER SETUPS IN RACING(OR AT LEAST THE SMART ONES) SO NOW YOU HAVE EXAMPLES+EXPERIENCE AND EVEN A NIFTY LITTLE STORY.
SO..... ANY MORE WORDS FROM MR.YUDE THE MASTER HIMSELF?
PLEASE DON'T COME BACK WITH SOMETHING STUPID CAUSE YOU'LL JUST BE WAISTING MY TIME WHEN BOTH YOU AND I CAR LOVERS SHOULD BE IN A GARAGE SOMEWHERE UNDER THE HOOD.
NO HARD FEELINGS DUDE BUT I DO HAVE A POINT!!!!!!
Last edited by SLEEK-CRX-SI; 06-11-2005 at 06:52 PM.
Sleek, here's why I think you have a reading comprehension problem... did I ever say all coilovers are good? You strongly opinionated against ALL coilovers, to which I replied, not all coilovers are bad... like all products, there are cheap coilovers and GOOD coilovers, however you seem to feel ALL coilovers are bad, and that's where your problem is, maybe you've had problems with a particular brand, but that one brand cannot represent all.
You state that coilovers have spring rates too high, I would partially agree, people with limited knowledge tend to buy "super stiff" set ups not knowing that it will actually hurt them, especially on solo2 events which are held on parking lots, hardly very smooth surfaces. However almost every coilover company will have a selection of softer/harder springs to choose from, each user can use whatever suits him/her.
There's also an influx of "cheap" coilovers that appeal to the ricer, the dampers are usually too under-damped to handle the spring rates they come with and aren't very digressive in their damping curve, hence why I previously said GOOD and reputable coilovers are necessary, as proper damping is very important.
As for the understeering example you brought up with the "big wheel" sorry I have no idea what you just said...I seriously question your reading comprehension and English ability, allow me to quote you:
"emberssed"
"EXPLINATION"
"preffered"
"machanical"
...like I said, if you think ALL coilovers are too stiff and of inferior quality, then you are mistaken, please don't make broad generalized statements from limited experience. If you want to turn this into an intelligent discussion of why you feel stiff is not always the best choice, I will be happy to oblige, however, you come off as a know it all jackass that has a problem with spelling, thanks.
No I don't really have a prob with spelling but when your typing kind of fast we are all human and make mistakes SO BITE ME. I really think that was pretty petty to point out. I could have done the same with your messages but again I know nobody is perfect so I don't go to that level. But Thanks!! You are correct in a sence that I have not tried all coilover set ups but I have had more than one bad experience. off the top of my head I can remember at least six. When I finally decided to go to racing school they told me my prob was running a coil-over set up in the first place. That's when I learned the pros and cons of different and weight distribution set ups. Sorry maybe you did not have a big wheel it's that plastic tri-cycle thing with the big wheel in the front you see kids riding hope that helps!? Again you may see some still do coil over set ups but for the most part almost everyone runs springs with an ajustable Allen key tensor. I can tell you from experience that almost all the succesfull racers do have a spring set up. So like I said no hard feeling but I've had probs in the past and I have better result with spring, I've been taught to run springs and have first hand knowledge of the great result a spring setup yields. So sorry if I feel that way. Can you fault me for not wanting to let someone else go through the same thing I did if I can be of some help? Again unless they come up with a bad ass coil over set up I'm prob never going to run coil overs again!
I think that being pretty open minded about the issue!
It was also kind of petty of you to insult everyone that disagreed with you, thanks. I never disagreed with the fact that springs and dampers can be great set ups (otherwise I wouldn't run a spring/damper set up), but your believe that all coilover systems are bad is misplaced. Many successful amateur drivers and teams in SCCA use a range of good coilovers, from Ground Control + revalved KONIs to Tein RA/REs to Advance Design to Moton triple adjustables, I am sure all of their collective experience can speak for coilovers... I believe your main gripe with coilovers is that they're too stiff, but like I said you can choose to run softer springs, the fact that some shocks are threaded for height adjustment has nothing to do with how stiff they are, ie: you can have overly stiff spring+damper set up or a relatively softer coilover set up, and that's the beauty of coilovers, you get unlimited adjustablity for your liking.
With that said I am not a big fan of alot of these cheaper coilovers out there... their dampers are not up to par, often they are twin tube dampers which are in design inferior to monotube you see in better coilovers. Their damping is also under par... like I said, there's a range from poor ---> good coilovers, you just want to be in that good range (of course one that fits your purposes, if its a daily driver, you sure don't want a track-oriented set up)... you mentioned that you're using Neuspeed springs and a damper kit, what damper kit are you using?
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