lowering

**PacoX** · 06-11-2005, 08:11 PM

What kind of series do you race in that generates 3 Gs sustained when cornering? Most good setups with street tires can't touch 1 G; with slicks i.e. Hoosiers on a production car, getting above 1.2 G would be incredible.
I still don't get how you say that all coilovers are bad. Companies like Zeal, Ohlins, Aragosta, Advance Design, etc make incredibly good coilover setups with very good damping, different spring rates, some have multiple damping adjustment and external reservoirs, etc. A spring and off the shelf shock could never compare to a setup with such adjustability.
Putting coilovers on a car could make it understeer; however, understeer is a characteristic of balance. If all the cars you've worked on understeer with coilovers, that just means the front rates are too high, rears are too low, or some combination of the two. MANY other factors contribute to handling balance, but these are a few that are directly related to spring/shock choice.
Man, I don't even know what to say. You can't go around telling people that coilovers are bad and that springs/shocks are the best setup because that is pure MISINFORMATION. There are so many different options in each category and uses for cars that you can't just say one is better than the other. However, coilovers are generally better for track use, autoX, etc. Only big exception off the top of my head would be the nicer koni dampers and some well designed springs with proper rates taht don't drop the car too much.

**SLEEK-CRX-SI** · 06-11-2005, 08:16 PM

I'm running an HKS Hiper damper kit it's been superb so far. Nuespeed srings and pretty much a lot of DC Sport items bushings, Tower and sway bars.

And You?

**yudalicious** · 06-11-2005, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by SLEEK-CRX-SI

I'm running an HKS Hiper damper kit it's been superb so far. Nuespeed srings and pretty much a lot of DC Sport items bushings, Tower and sway bars.

And You?

Isn't the HKS Hiper damper kit a "coilover" kit? I did a search and this is what I came up with as the HKS hiper damper kit

sure looks like a height/preload adjustable coilover kit with threaded shock bodies to me.

Currently running KYB AGX shocks and RS-R "race" springs, progressive wound, spring rates 5/4.2 kg/mm f/r.

**SLEEK-CRX-SI** · 06-11-2005, 08:43 PM

the pic you have is of a newer kit I think it is a Hypermax RS it's for newer applications such as rsx's and some of the newer SI's but, yes you are correct that model you have is considered a coilover. Mine looks similer but is not a coilover set up. It actually has a allen key tightner at the top that compreses and tenses whatever spring application you dicide to go with. I got mine about 3 years ago and they are currently disscontinued for my vehicle, but other companies still make the same application for my vehicle.

**yudalicious** · 06-11-2005, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by SLEEK-CRX-SI

the pic you have is of a newer kit I think it is a Hypermax RS it's for newer applications such as rsx's and some of the newer SI's but, yes you are correct that model you have is considered a coilover. Mine looks similer but is not a coilover set up. It actually has a allen key tightner at the top that compreses and tenses whatever spring application you dicide to go with. I got mine about 3 years ago and they are currently disscontinued for my vehicle, but other companies still make the same application for my vehicle.

I'm assuming you like your HKS dampers... so what if HKS decided to make coilovers (using the same interior mechanisms and the same valving) based on your old dampers, the only difference being threaded shock bodies? Would you be so quickly to disregard them? Like I said before you can purchase a variety of springs, so if you think the springs that come with the kit are too stiff, you can always get softer ones, say, you got some custom Eibach springs in dimensions to fit your dampers in the same rate as your Neuspeed springs... so now you have a coilover set up, with height/preload adjustability that performs like you wanted. So perhaps they're not ALL that bad right?

**SLEEK-CRX-SI** · 06-11-2005, 09:02 PM

I may check them out b/c I've had pretty good results with the company in general.

Quote: Again unless they come up with a bad ass coil over set up I'm prob never going to run coil overs again!

I'm always willing to try something different but I would still be kinda iffy about it and I still would not do it unless something happened to my setup now.

Don't try to fix something that's not broken that's my theory!

**b18hb** · 06-12-2005, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by SLEEK-CRX-SI

must I emberass everyone that tries to make me look like a fool.

who's embarrassed? you make yourself look more stupid every time you post. formula 1 cars have adjustable ride height just like i said, and nascars also run road courses. you must be about 12 to steriotype people like you do. Also, I'm from New York and I'm about as far away from a red neck as you can get.

**Kermit** · 06-12-2005, 11:14 AM

Sleek-CRX-Si,

A couple of questions for you, sir. First, I'm curious as to what what class and/or type of SCCA racing you do, so could you please expand on your 4-year's worth of experience/involvement a little? Second, 117 mph entrance speed would be impressive, are you sure that's how fast you were actually going? I am quite familiar with the "clover leaf" at the Mall of GA so I'd just like to make sure you really meant to type 117. Third, was your "call out" for a race ever answered?

**Bishop** · 06-12-2005, 12:17 PM

and by the way I'm 22.

According to your profile, you're 21

Birthday:
March 14, 1984

**ash7** · 06-12-2005, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Kermit

Sleek-CRX-Si, Third, was your "call out" for a race ever answered?

...i recall no "callouts" for races or anything other than a "ride height contest" at which i was laughing at for ten minutes.

Sleek-CRX-Si, what size wheels and tires are you running? If you take your car out on the track as you say you do, they had better be pretty small in order to keep clear of the fenders during these 117mph turns you're performing on a regular basis.

**SLEEK-CRX-SI** · 06-12-2005, 02:43 PM

mr ricer on call I do recall a call out for a rcae you might want to read all the post. So WHAT....... you got your $1,000 or title in hand and ready for a race you name the time and place! If your to lazy dumb or incompetant to go back and check this is your call out. you questioned me about my ride height and said do a real competion like the 1/4 so again for like the 5th time step up big man and get your money taken. lets see how those horsies do in a race!!!!! It's stock I promise!!!

**SLEEK-CRX-SI** · 06-12-2005, 02:49 PM

oh yeah and as for my age I am 22 I must have accedently scrolled up one year. Dude come on guys we all make mistakes!!! N E way like I said when Mr Ricer and I race I'll bring my $1,000 and title my track slip from Silver Dollar and you may check out my ID for age. So Everyone gather aroun were just all waiting on MR Ricer for a time and date and we can all meet up so you guys can see Mr Ricer get his money and pride taken!

**SLEEK-CRX-SI** · 06-12-2005, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by hatch77

...i recall no "callouts" for races or anything other than a "ride height contest" at which i was laughing at for ten minutes.

Sleek-CRX-Si, what size wheels and tires are you running? If you take your car out on the track as you say you do, they had better be pretty small in order to keep clear of the fenders during these 117mph turns you're performing on a regular basis.

It's a procedure we call rolling your fenders. Not sure if you ever heard of it but I'm pretty sure if you ask around someone may take the time to explain this simple term.

**SLEEK-CRX-SI** · 06-12-2005, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Kermit

Sleek-CRX-Si,

A couple of questions for you, sir. First, I'm curious as to what what class and/or type of SCCA racing you do, so could you please expand on your 4-year's worth of experience/involvement a little? Second, 117 mph entrance speed would be impressive, are you sure that's how fast you were actually going? I am quite familiar with the "clover leaf" at the Mall of GA so I'd just like to make sure you really meant to type 117. Third, was your "call out" for a race ever answered?

as for my 4 years of ex I have raced in the STS2 (street touring solo 2) it's been pretty fun I enjoy it but just like everyone there are certain days that I don't feel up to it. oh yeah and 117mph onthe onramp of the mall of ga is correct. I know that sounds rediculous but I can see if I can get a hold of my friend that went off to the military he can vouch. It was pretty crazy my friend almost shit his pants. us and a black hatch were racing toward the mall and as we went under the bridge there was a speacial opps cop sitting there as we flew by. My notion was to run because I did not want to go to jail so I hit the on ramp and got on the highway. I got off at the next exit which is swannee I think and took a right and parked at the wal-mart and had a friend to pick me up.

**SLEEK-CRX-SI** · 06-12-2005, 03:07 PM

hope that answered some of you guys questions!

**ash7** · 06-12-2005, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by SLEEK-CRX-SI

It's a procedure we call rolling your fenders. Not sure if you ever heard of it but I'm pretty sure if you ask around someone may take the time to explain this simple term.

you need jesus

I am familiar with body work terminology and the work it entails, rolling your fenders is NOT a common practice in the racing world.

As you said, actions are louder than words, you need to prove to everyone here that you are actually qualified to compete in a ProRacing event hosted by the SCCA!

edit* SOLO2 events are autocross events... where do you hold such high speeds through turns? In all my years of driving autocross, 115mph through a turn would be considered dangerous.

Otherwise, your comments, essays on how you know so much, and insults are considered are null and void, I'm afraid there are more people on here who know what their talking about than you realize.

**SLEEK-CRX-SI** · 06-12-2005, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by hatch77

you need jesus

I am familiar with body work terminology and the work it entails, rolling your fenders is NOT a common practice in the racing world.

As you said, actions are louder than words, you need to prove to everyone here that you are actually qualified to compete in a ProRacing event hosted by the SCCA!

edit* SOLO2 events are autocross events... where do you hold such high speeds through turns? In all my years of driving autocross, 115mph through a turn would be considered dangerous.

Otherwise, your comments, essays on how you know so much, and insults are considered are null and void, I'm afraid there are more people on here who know what their talking about than you realize.

if actions speak louder than words like YOU SAID ^^^^^^ put your money/title where your mouth is. Big shot! RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE! come on! do it! race race race! talk all the shit you guys want but only talkers talk shit. so I'm excluding myself from this conversation and telling everyone else that hatch 77 bitched out of a race he was so eager to do at the beggining of our disscusion. After sevral attemps to get you to race since you where talkin all this ying yang about 1/4 race an everything you just prove to me I'm wasting my time with you hatch 77. So let evryone read the past comment you renigged on and come up with their own conclusions of how much of a talker you really are! HOLLA AT CHA BOY!!!!!!

You telling me actions speak louder than words? Everyone will see how qualified I am when your pullin up last an dissapointed at the finishline and oh yeah the track is not a body shop so as for rolling my fenders it happens all the time "Pretty boy whos all talk/show and no go".

P.S. Don't talk shit b/c somebody might just take you up on your word!!

**yudalicious** · 06-12-2005, 09:37 PM

Sleek I don't think ANY STS solo2 car can corner at 3 lateral Gs... as for you never seeing people running coilovers in 4 years of your experience I go back to my comment on how most parking lots (where most solo 2 events are held) are not NEARLY as smooth as race tracks, so it makes sense to run relatively softer springs such as the Neuspeed ones.

**SLEEK-CRX-SI** · 06-12-2005, 09:50 PM

3g's is prob to high huh? but yeah like you said on un even sufaces you really don't want to have to high of a spring rating. when I did run coilovers it would go into a turn relatively good but about half way through if you hit a bump or dip you could forget about keepnig your tires firmly on the ground thus running a horrible time or I've even seen some lose it and plow through a couple of cones.

**Negrodamus** · 06-12-2005, 10:09 PM

**SLEEK-CRX-SI** · 06-12-2005, 10:22 PM

thanx king Elli or whatever your name is but I guess it was important enough for you to put up some pic of a goofy kid. Love the entertainment it makes this boring thread that much more stranger than it already is!!!

**Negrodamus** · 06-12-2005, 10:37 PM

np

**Kermit** · 06-13-2005, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by SLEEK-CRX-SI

as for my 4 years of ex I have raced in the STS2 (street touring solo 2) it's been pretty fun I enjoy it but just like everyone there are certain days that I don't feel up to it. oh yeah and 117mph onthe onramp of the mall of ga is correct. I know that sounds rediculous but I can see if I can get a hold of my friend that went off to the military he can vouch. It was pretty crazy my friend almost shit his pants. us and a black hatch were racing toward the mall and as we went under the bridge there was a speacial opps cop sitting there as we flew by. My notion was to run because I did not want to go to jail so I hit the on ramp and got on the highway. I got off at the next exit which is swannee I think and took a right and parked at the wal-mart and had a friend to pick me up.

I'm not exactly trying to call you out or anything, as I do believe that you probably have autocrossed, but I thought that you would like to know that the the class you say you run in, and I quote, "STS2 (street touring solo 2)", has only been an actual class since the spring of 2004. I believe that STS2, which, by the way, stands for Street Touring Sport-2, where the "2" stands for 2-seater, is an expansion of STS because of the large weight difference between 2 and 4 seaters. Also, I do not believe that you have ever exceeded 100 mph at any Atlanta Region Solo2 event with the possible exception of the events at "Little Talledega". Lastly, one of my many reasons for doubting your claims is due to the fact that your "call out" for a race was for a 1/4 mile race where as most, and I suppose there are exceptions, SCCA members/drivers would first make a challenge on a road and/or autocross course, then possibly a winding road, such as the mountains or similar road, and then, as a last resort, a straight line drag race.

**quickdodge®** · 06-13-2005, 10:19 PM

SLEEK, are you still on here with your idiot bantering? I thought after your last ownage you'd have found a Big Lots that still sold brains and picked yourself up one. Evidently, I'm the idiot for thinking that. I bet you got your coilovers from Ebay and that would mean your ride quality. I'll take you up on your "who's lower" contest. I'm pretty sure my Neon's got you beat. When will you learn to start posting about things you know something about. Ooops...my bad. This isn't the "Rainbow Coalition" forum board.

Moron. Later, QD.

**dereksi** · 06-13-2005, 10:20 PM

Lol ^^^^

**SLEEK-CRX-SI** · 06-13-2005, 10:20 PM

I have done other events in the SCCA. STS2 is just what I do now. I have a B18C1(GSR) swap so that allows me to get pretty good times in SOLO or drag. So when hatch 77 was talkin smack I thought I'd take him up on that deal.GSR+Small CRX= pretty good accelertion. not to mention with the car being so small I have superb handling. Sorry for the confusion!

**Negrodamus** · 06-14-2005, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by SLEEK-CRX-SI

I have done other events in the SCCA. STS2 is just what I do now. I have a B18C1(GSR) swap so that allows me to get pretty good times in SOLO or drag. So when hatch 77 was talkin smack I thought I'd take him up on that deal.GSR+Small CRX= pretty good accelertion. not to mention with the car being so small I have superb handling. Sorry for the confusion!

**SLEEK-CRX-SI** · 06-14-2005, 06:34 AM

yep KingElli ypu've just been proudly promoted to this threads

By the way your the only fag I know whos got pics of guys as there avatar and that other pic doesn't help your image either. Kermit has a better avatar than you at least he's pimpen in that jacket.

P.S.
If you stop wasting time posting stupid/gay pics you might find a girl or tune your car. Do you even know any Girls? Dude at least take a pic of some random girl no one will care or car. FAG!!!

**SLEEK-CRX-SI** · 06-14-2005, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by quickdodge®

SLEEK, are you still on here with your idiot bantering? I thought after your last ownage you'd have found a Big Lots that still sold brains and picked yourself up one. Evidently, I'm the idiot for thinking that. I bet you got your coilovers from Ebay and that would mean your ride quality. I'll take you up on your "who's lower" contest. I'm pretty sure my Neon's got you beat. When will you learn to start posting about things you know something about. Ooops...my bad. This isn't the "Rainbow Coalition" forum board.

Moron. Later, QD.

Now as it appears seems like your the dumbass with that out of whack pic you just posted with that fucked up resolution. The question is will quickdodge ever learn how to resize his pictures? WTF!?!?! Dude if your going to post a pic to make someone feel stupid at least post a pic like this

Lesson one:

I would figure you of all people likely to Ebay b/c you have no life. What you buying on Ebay? MORE NEONS :jerkit: HAHAHAHAHAHA I'm pretty sure that adds about 200hp. oh and you mentioned Big Lots. who in the hell would shop there it's like an overpriced yardsale? Is that where you got your neons

? Big Lots!!

That's about how much you can buy the entire store for. Also Since you've taken me up on my offer PM me. I've been wanting to see who your dumbass is. don't bitch out like hatch 77 otherwise you'll be the laughing stock of this thread like he was.

P.S. PM me don't bitch out I've been wanting to take your cash for a long
time.

Dumbass!! oh wait wait wait I almost forgot :jerkit: "LATER, QD." :jerkit: bah hahahaha

**Kermit** · 06-14-2005, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by SLEEK-CRX-SI

I have done other events in the SCCA.

Just out of curiousity, what events?

**quickdodge®** · 06-14-2005, 06:52 PM

That's all you could come up with? Lolol. I think the dumbass look just went further towards you. I don't have Neons on my car. I never had. Next time you talk(or post) to me, make sure you have an SCCA championship under your belt since your doing all these SCCA things. I know I have one. Where's yours? Later, QD.

**PacoX** · 06-15-2005, 07:25 PM

Sleek, you got owned. Its truly obvious to everyone now that you are just making things up. Hitting a few solo 2 days in STS doesn't make you a pro racer. No street car will ever hit even half of 3 Gs cornering. People who actually care about learning to be good drivers don't challenge people to ride height contests. "Holla at cha boy" is not a valid way to communicate with people. You probably bought a set of cheap coilovers that broke or just had crappy valving, as any cheap product will. No wonder you think they suck. Actually, its your fault for basing your judgement upon one example of a vastly varied selection of coilovers. Stop spreading your faulty reasoning to people who are asking for real advice.

PS (to thread starter)- don't look for suspension advice on a ricer forum...the "professionals" aren't very helpful as you can now see.

**Kermit** · 06-16-2005, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by PacoX

PS (to thread starter)- don't look for suspension advice on a ricer forum...the "professionals" aren't very helpful as you can now see.

I semi-agree. There is good advice to be found, you just have to dig through all the BS to find it.

**HiPSI** · 06-16-2005, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by SLEEK-CRX-SI

must I emberass everyone that tries to make me look like a fool.

no need, you do it all on your own.

**HiPSI** · 06-16-2005, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by SLEEK-CRX-SI

English happed to be one of my strongest suits in school so you might want to drop that subject before your horribly emberssed

^do i even need to say anything? if english was one of your strong points, i'd hate to see how you handle a mathematical equation.

**HiPSI** · 06-16-2005, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by SLEEK-CRX-SI

I have done other events in the SCCA. STS2 is just what I do now. I have a B18C1(GSR) swap so that allows me to get pretty good times in SOLO or drag. So when hatch 77 was talkin smack I thought I'd take him up on that deal.GSR+Small CRX= pretty good accelertion. not to mention with the car being so small I have superb handling. Sorry for the confusion!

and you can't even name these "other events" at all? the thing is, people that actually have raced SCCA can vouch for it and know what classes they run. you kept spouting off the phrase "scca tracks" in your essay sized BS posts, but someone who actually races would say track names as it would actually add credibility to their statements. if you actually did this for a living as you stated in one post, you'd be giving FACTUAL information regarding your argument, not dancing around the actual subject with call outs and insults. you do not have a single person here convinced that you know anything more than the fact that the SCCA is a sanctioning body for racing, so why do you keep arguing? it's apparent that you don't know your elbows from your asshole and most of the things you're saying are either outlandishly false or poorly put together half-truths based on your "experience", which it's also obvious that you lack.

oh and if this is what you do for a living, then who do you work for?

**Kermit** · 06-16-2005, 02:37 PM

LMAO-HiPSI made a funny

**ahmonrah** · 06-18-2005, 09:14 AM

sleek(whatever the fuck else his name is) is a complete and total asshat !!!! damn this post is funny!!!!! he had the valls (oops, did my sleek-like strong engrish suit fail me?) to try starting shit with QD??!! BAD MOVE assleech. come through on his callout w/qd. if it goes down i wanna know so i can attend.

**ahmonrah** · 06-18-2005, 09:16 AM

ne- way when suspension becomes a focus on my current new2me acura. tien is whats going on it.

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