He made more good points than any of your posts have. No one takes anything you say seriously anymore. Do yourself a favor and stop responding.Originally Posted by skillzilla
hahaha 50/50 with an SR my ass, prove it. Either way the S13 handles like shit anyways, 50/50 or not.
rb240det made a few good points, Id like to see how the peanut gallery responds
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Did u grow up in a milk crate? Can you read? Half the shit he said I already said in the first few pages of this thread. Pull your head out of your moms Vagina for 10 seconds and realize how trollish and retarded you are.
Did she beat you as a child? Did it hurt?
Didn't I already say I was done talking to you? We are having an intelligent discussion with the other two guys. We don't need your dumbassness bringing down the overall IQ of this discussion.
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Its OK if you have something personal against me, that is Im sure what you base the majority of your life around: e-vendettas. That being said, how do you expect someone to take a thread entitled "* in * are gay" at all serious? This thread was a joke from the start, contains maybe 20% of actual valid info, and is completely discounted by your sorry ass stabs at peoples intelligence.
Ive already stated my opinions on RB20 S13s. The motor is cheap, makes 220 with light mods, and is pretty much painless to swap in and out. Anyone with an RB20 will tell you its a great motor for what it is: Nissans weird middle brother between L-series Z motors and next generation NEO RBs. Its heavy, low displacement, and has a small aftermarket. So what? It also revs to 8k, spools quickly, has tons of potential, and responds well to mods (when you do them right...). ANNNNNDD, I got mine for a grand shipped. Name another Nissan motor/shell combo that meets the above criteria and still has the potential to win the Grassroots challenge.
My car knowledge doesnt stop with the RB20, or Nissans, or imports, so lets talk shop if you want. Im not saying I know everything there is to know about mechanics, but I do know enough to ascertain you are talking 90% out of your ass and 10% out of a magazine. Itd be nice to actually have some intelligent, beneficial discussions on IA, but I gave up on that months ago, so quote this with some off color remark or mod another post of mine if it makes your e-peen feel bigger, but realize you are not, and will never be, on my level.
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14psi only made 250 on a Mustang dyno? What size turbo were you using? We generally use a T3/T4, .63 ar, 50 trim, 450's, and a fuel controller, and pull 350. Guess you're running a smaller turbo. I like RB20's, and we're one of the main reasons there are so many people running around the southeast with them. Cause they are still proven to make power, not everyone is that worried about an extra 50 pounds, I even know someone pulling out their RB25 to go with a RB20. There's about to be another RB20 that will be out on the road making well over 400, closer to 500. Get you a Power FC instead of a SAFC2, you will make more reliable power.
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And yes, I plan to get a PFC...unfortunately I do not have the money for it yet. And yeah, my buddy in Charlotte is putting his RB20 back together right now. His last dyno was 387whp, I'm ready to see what he's putting down now that has some bigger injectors, PFC, and a few other goodies.
250 hp with a turbo and injector upgrade? Its cheap but notcost effective. You should be able to make that on stock stuff.
My galant when it had the stock maf/injectors/turbo put down 280 AWD on a 4g63.
My 240 with stock maf/injectors/turbo put down 270 on a sr.
Matts sentra with a stock turbo sr, 650s, fmic, exhaust, z32 maf put down 305hp.
Don't forget also over 300ftlbs. Many people from this forum were at the shop when it put down those numbers as well...This was on a dynojet too none of that mustang dyno bullshit.
That right there should be the end of this thread.
SHOW ME AN RB20 DYNO SHEET WHERE THE RB20 WITH NO SPRAY ON STOCK TURBO, STOCK HEAD, STOCK BLOCK MAKES OVER 300WHP AND I'LL STFU.
I mean you have 2 extra cyl. I'm sure ya'll can do it.
Man id be very irritated to have bought a RB swap, spent $1g in upgrades and only push 250whp on a mustang dyno.
yeah I was at 228 at 13 psi, stock turbo and injectors. Dunno whats up with the low numbers.
It's an RB20. That's whats up.
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I'm no expert, but I've done a few autocrosses, mtn runs, etc over the years...in lots of different cars. Sometimes on street tires, sometimes on slicks, etc. I've pushed every car I've owned (and several I didn't own) to their handling limits, and beyond. So I like to think that I have a decent idea of how good or bad the handling of a car is. That being said....with the right suspension/tire setup, the S13 handles great. And they do in fact have very close to 50/50 weight dist with the SR installed.
Haha, we are getting him soo frustrated.
You are the one who is talking about how you have extra cyl, so obviously its a better motor...right.
Also, upgrade your injectors and a rb20 still won't make shit power on that stock turbo.
You have a bigger turbo and injectors and still don't make the power my stock turbo'd sr makes.
Sorry to hear that.
Frustrated...I hardly think so. Maybe at your irrelevancy regarding this thread perhaps. Secondly, I have not made it a point at all during this discussion to point out the fact RBs have 2 extra cylinders did I? I never made the statement that RB's are better motors than SRs, so do not put words in my mouth.
As far as the RB20's not making power on the stock turbo, you may be correct. I have seen some pushing 240-250whp, which IMO is not bad. However the RB20's are limited by the capability of the stock turbo, which is not the fault of anyone doing the swap, but that's just how Nissan built the motor.
You're right, I don't have the power your magical SR makes...wait a tick, I don't even know what hp you are putting down unless you post it. And please, if you're arguments are going to follow the format you've been using on the rest of the thread (note...trash-talking), then please stop until you bring some substantial information. Not a bunch of kindergarden comments...grow up...please. Adults can actually have a conversation without using profanity and hurling insults, I know it's hard but give it a shot...you might feel a bit better about yourself.
Man, honestly, it is nice to see that you are bringing facts and relevance into this thread instead of lame ass Skillzilla's posts. You obviously have a good head on your shoulders, unlike him.
Look, it's okay to admit you have the bastard child of Nissan engines. It's what you like, and that's cool. I will be the first to admit that I have the bastard child of Honda motors in my CRX. I don't care. It's what I like. I am not out to make the fastest thing in the world. If I was it wouldn't be a Honda. If we all had the same tastes, then everyone would be driving the same shit. That would be boring.
I will admit, though, that I know the factory RB20 turbo is a pile of garbage. I know that more power can be had with a turbo worth a shit. BUT, the comparison that you keep making is your RB20 240 to a KA 240. This is not the comparison that WE are making. WE are talking about an SR 240 vs. an RB20 240. Yes, you are making good points, but they are not relevent to this discussion.
But Halfbaked's SR20DET Sentra still > all. I was there when it made those numbers, and frankly I was suprised it did. But the fact remains that it did, which proves both the superiority of the SR20DET and the fact that he is a badass. Ford fleet van white paint and all.
I'm not even getting into the dyno debate, but the "accuracy" of any chassis dyno is nothing but opinion. Nothing has ever been proven as fact.
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But Halfbaked's SR20DET Sentra is a badass. Ford fleet van white paint and all.
Finally, a post that contains truth!!
AND THE LAWD SAID, THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!!
BE GONE RB20 DEMONS!
PRAISE THE LAWD! YER SOUL HAS BEEN LIFTED!!!
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That 305whp sentra, that 1439/2000 is talking about is mine.
And like you said, the poor turbo on the rb20 is the way nissan built the motor, if it was meant to be a motor nissan wanted to perfom why not go with a better turbo like SRs came with...I just think it is funny that a common upgrade for a rb20 is a z31 turbo which is just as old as an rb20.
As for you saying you have a friend pulling their rb25 to put in an rb20, makes sense, might as well put a motor in their car that will rev to something decent.
The rb20 motor is extremely outdated, honestly how many motors these days are cast iron? Not to mention you can find rb20s that are what almost 25 years old?
If you are talking about the red-top RB20's then yes they are very outdated as opposed to the silver-top (R32 GTS-T). Again, I would like to know what you guys see on the 20's as "outdated"...no one has brought any sort of information on that. Half-baked, I am not trying to be a jerk so please do not take me as such, but I would like some conlusive information regarding this discussion.
It has an iron block, thats outdated in itself.
No hard feelings mang, I don't think any less of you for defending your motor choice.
Me either. It's Skillzilla that sucks at life. This new guy actually seems pretty cool....even if he has an RB20.
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Iron blocks are outdated? If anything I would prefer to go with one vs. aluminum. Yes you save weight, but iron is more resilient than aluminum. I see your viewpoint, but do not agree with it. The RB's were cast iron all the way to the R34 GTR, which was discontinued in what...'00-'01? I hardly think it's outdated.
I haven't seen too many aluminum block cars that are cracking blocks and shooting shit through them. I mean shit LS1s, LS2s, LS7s are all aluminum and seem to be doing just fine...
Just so you know, I've been driving an rb25 s13 daily for the past week. I've driven many sr s13s and honestly, you can feel a difference, the car it self just drives differently.
So now you are comparing 2 litre to 2.5 to 2.6 to SR? Hmm....this debate is jumping all over the place.
And the first iron block that I thought was going to be brought up was the 2JZ. Amazing nobody did.
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And PLEASE...I am not comparing the different RB's to the SR. I am talking about the iron block used between all of the RB's. Forget about headwork, forget about displacement...I'm talking about the material used from the R31's to the R34 Skylines. Apparently Nissan did not think iron was too outdated. Please stop putting words in my mouth.
And yes the 2JZ > RB's...
Oh, we are just talking iron blocks? My Datsun's L series engine is an iron block, and it is a 1973. That's some old shit. LOL
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You can't tell me though that the block/headwork are too similar in those two motors though.
They share what the same iron block, other then that entirely different.
Don't get me started on rb20s and rb25s badass intake manifolds.
Once again...I never said anything about headwork. The RB20's head is pretty restrictive once you get higher hp numbers. That I will wholeheartidly agree with. My point was that they all utilize an iron block.
Not sure what your point is about the intake manifolds. They do look like pooh from the factory, but there are plenty of aftermarket options for them now.
Last edited by rb240det; 08-13-2006 at 04:50 PM.
Sidenote: SHIT!
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to HalfBaked again.
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"Man, honestly, it is nice to see that you are bringing facts and relevance into this thread instead of lame ass Skillzilla's posts. You obviously have a good head on your shoulders, unlike him.
Look, it's okay to admit you have the bastard child of Nissan engines. It's what you like, and that's cool. I will be the first to admit that I have the bastard child of Honda motors in my CRX. I don't care. It's what I like. I am not out to make the fastest thing in the world. If I was it wouldn't be a Honda. If we all had the same tastes, then everyone would be driving the same shit. That would be boring.
I will admit, though, that I know the factory RB20 turbo is a pile of garbage. I know that more power can be had with a turbo worth a shit. BUT, the comparison that you keep making is your RB20 240 to a KA 240. This is not the comparison that WE are making. WE are talking about an SR 240 vs. an RB20 240. Yes, you are making good points, but they are not relevent to this discussion.
But Halfbaked's SR20DET Sentra still > all. I was there when it made those numbers, and frankly I was suprised it did. But the fact remains that it did, which proves both the superiority of the SR20DET and the fact that he is a badass. Ford fleet van white paint and all.
I'm not even getting into the dyno debate, but the "accuracy" of any chassis dyno is nothing but opinion. Nothing has ever been proven as fact."
I thank you for your opinion. You are correct, if we all had the same swaps, then it would be a boring world indeed. However, everyone's conlusions on the RB20 as being a "pile of garbage" is inconclusive. Once again, no one has brought anything to this discussion that ACTUALLY proves your point. Other than having a slightly ill-designed turbo, please name one bit of technology on the RB20 that is outdated. I do not see the point of bashing the RB20's...yeah they are cheaper than SR's, but they are near as popular (though they are becoming more and more common). Everyone that I have come in contact with that owns the RB20 can honestly say that they are very tough motors.
Anyrate...I have to pack up and head back from home. I guess I'll see where this discussion has lead when I get back to my apartment. Thanks guys!
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"This new guy actually seems pretty cool....even if he has an RB20."
LOL...hater.
Notice the smiley face on my ACTUAL post? It was a joke.
And "Hating" is bred from jealousy and/or envy. I do not envy you and I am not jealous of you. The "Nissan" I own most of the people in this thread don't know shit about besides the name. And I will be putting an SR in it.
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Ummm...I don't suppose you noticed the "LOL" in my post did you? I know it was a joke, I thought it was funny, that is why I was laughing at it. I was not implying jealousy or envy, I was having a good old fashioned laugh at a well placed joke.
Last edited by rb240det; 08-13-2006 at 04:49 PM.
Oh, well then. It's hard to see ones intentions from their typing. I retract my previous statement then.
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GO POST IN THE DATSUN FORUM!
Oh thats right there isn't one! :P See how much they suck!
I'll go start my DATSUN while you go start your NISSAN.....
Oh, that's right, only one of the two is running right now, and it's not yours.
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Don't even act like you're 100% positive that yours will start.I'll go start my DATSUN while you go start your NISSAN.....
Oh, that's right, only one of the two is running right now, and it's not yours.
I am 100% positive it will start. It always does. It is the most reliable vehicle I own, and the oldest.
I see another RB cheerleader looking at this thread.....lets hope he at least has some sense like RB240det does. I dunno though seeing as his name has xxxxx at the end of it.
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I know there are a lot of aftermarket intake manifolds for the 20 and 25 motors, but don't they have issues with like the 5th or 6th cyl not getting enough air or fuel with some aftermarket manifolds which cause them to go boom?
Hmmm...I've heard of some of the cheap Ebay manifolds leaning out the last two due to poor flow design. But the Greddy (RB25) manifold is tried and true, and I know a few friends that have some manifolds from Australia for there RB20's with great results. I'm actually talking to a guy now about building one for me.
"Oh, well then. It's hard to see ones intentions from their typing. I retract my previous statement then."
No worries man...it's all good.
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